Faction lock

bagon · June 2019

Roleplayers: "if you dont like the faction lock, go play in the non locked campaigns!"

Meanwhile literally every campaign is dead besides the main one. Sorry i want 2 actually pvp and im not a bot who gets farmed and tries 2 just pvdoor empty keeps.

ellahellabella · June 2019

VaranisArano · June 2019

The way I see it, and the way I suspect ZOS expected it to work out is that if it were really important to CP players to play with their multifaction friends or their other faction characters, those groups would go over to the 7-day campaign, and if its important enough to enough players, that campaign would become competitive.

As it is, I suspect we're seeing a different result.

Instead, many Multifaction players are sticking with the CP 30 day campaign and just complaining that they can't play with their friends/other faction characters, rather than commiting to multifaction play with friends/on other characters on the 7-day campaign.

In other words, I think this is a matter of "be the change you want to see". If you want to convince ZOS there's a huge demand for multifaction play, one of the best ways to do so would be for multifaction players to move to the 7-day campaign and make it a competitive server!

Otherwise, it looks to ZOS like everyone can live with faction locks, since they mostly stayed in the locked CP campaign. Players may not like it, but they didnt dislike it enough to leave en masse for the multifaction alternative, nor did they care enough about not being able to play with friends/other faction characters enough to change their regular gameplay habits.

NirnStorm · June 2019

VaranisArano wrote: »

The way I see it, and the way I suspect ZOS expected it to work out is that if it were really important to CP players to play with their multifaction friends or their other faction characters, those groups would go over to the 7-day campaign, and if its important enough to enough players, that campaign would become competitive.

As it is, I suspect we're seeing a different result.

Instead, many Multifaction players are sticking with the CP 30 day campaign and just complaining that they can't play with their friends/other faction characters, rather than commiting to multifaction play with friends/on other characters on the 7-day campaign.

In other words, I think this is a matter of "be the change you want to see". If you want to convince ZOS there's a huge demand for multifaction play, one of the best ways to do so would be for multifaction players to move to the 7-day campaign and make it a competitive server!

Otherwise, it looks to ZOS like everyone can live with faction locks, since they mostly stayed in the locked CP campaign. Players may not like it, but they didnt dislike it enough to leave en masse for the multifaction alternative, nor did they care enough about not being able to play with friends/other faction characters enough to change their regular gameplay habits.

I honestly don't think this "be the change you want to see" concept even has a chance to work.

Say anti-locks are half the pop (just throwing that number since I have no way of truly knowing); considering as the pop on the only live campaign right now is 2-3 bars for the most part- even if miraculously you could convince all the anti-locks that they should go to the 7day camp, the pop there most of the day (except like 4ish hours around primetime) it would have 1-2 bars per faction tops. Just due to that, the majority of anti locks (and me included) don't go there but rather lock themselves to a faction in the only non-empty campaign and cry themselves to sleep at night.

I miss my toons of other factions

Zevrro · June 2019

VaranisArano wrote: »

The way I see it, and the way I suspect ZOS expected it to work out is that if it were really important to CP players to play with their multifaction friends or their other faction characters, those groups would go over to the 7-day campaign, and if its important enough to enough players, that campaign would become competitive.

As it is, I suspect we're seeing a different result.

Instead, many Multifaction players are sticking with the CP 30 day campaign and just complaining that they can't play with their friends/other faction characters, rather than commiting to multifaction play with friends/on other characters on the 7-day campaign.

In other words, I think this is a matter of "be the change you want to see". If you want to convince ZOS there's a huge demand for multifaction play, one of the best ways to do so would be for multifaction players to move to the 7-day campaign and make it a competitive server!

Otherwise, it looks to ZOS like everyone can live with faction locks, since they mostly stayed in the locked CP campaign. Players may not like it, but they didnt dislike it enough to leave en masse for the multifaction alternative, nor did they care enough about not being able to play with friends/other faction characters enough to change their regular gameplay habits.

That doesn't really work in practice though. For it to work a huge amount of players would have to make the decision to switch to that campaign at the same time and stay there for long enough for players in the 30 day to catch on that there is good and consistent pvp there. As of now players will join the 7 day, wander around aimless maybe taking some empty resources and then leaving because there is barely any pvp. Its just not realistic for that kind of organisation to happen.

Nogawd · June 2019

bagon wrote: »

Sorry i want 2 actually pvp

So...what is actually stopping you from doing that?

Zevrro · June 2019

Nogawd wrote: »

bagon wrote: »

Sorry i want 2 actually pvp

So...what is actually stopping you from doing that?

Have you tried to pvp on the non locked campaigns?

Nogawd · June 2019

Zevrro wrote: »

Nogawd wrote: »

bagon wrote: »

Sorry i want 2 actually pvp

So...what is actually stopping you from doing that?

Have you tried to pvp on the non locked campaigns?

I have only been EP (on all characters) on the 30 day campaigns from the start of the game. I don't need to hop to the winner to farm, which is what this is really about.

Gilvoth · June 2019

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Faction Lock is hurting exploiters that can no longer cheat the leaderboard for 10+ 30-day rewards. FTFY

Everyone else is fine because they play on only one faction for leaderboard rewards like a correct person. If you want to play with your friends on another faction, go to another campaign - AP is AP. The only reason why you'd complain is because you're after the leaderboard so you can exploit it. You can't cheat anymore - get over it.

Truth.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · June 2019

Easy fix. Make 7 day campaign into a 30 day locked campaign and see how popular it is.

Sandman929 · June 2019

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Easy fix. Make 7 day campaign into a 30 day locked campaign and see how popular it is.

Is it though? I've heard stories that the first campaign on the list is reason for the lopsided populations, so which should be listed first, locked or unlocked?

JackAshes · June 2019

Sandman929 wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Easy fix. Make 7 day campaign into a 30 day locked campaign and see how popular it is.

Is it though? I've heard stories that the first campaign on the list is reason for the lopsided populations, so which should be listed first, locked or unlocked?

I think he means to turn it into a 30 day unlocked campaign.....

Sandman929 · June 2019

JackAshes wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Easy fix. Make 7 day campaign into a 30 day locked campaign and see how popular it is.

Is it though? I've heard stories that the first campaign on the list is reason for the lopsided populations, so which should be listed first, locked or unlocked?

I think he means to turn it into a 30 day unlocked campaign.....

I know, so that would be 2 30 day CP campaigns. If people join the one that listed first on the campaign list, as some have claimed, which would be listed first?

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · June 2019

Sandman929 wrote: »

JackAshes wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Easy fix. Make 7 day campaign into a 30 day locked campaign and see how popular it is.

Is it though? I've heard stories that the first campaign on the list is reason for the lopsided populations, so which should be listed first, locked or unlocked?

I think he means to turn it into a 30 day unlocked campaign.....

I know, so that would be 2 30 day CP campaigns. If people join the one that listed first on the campaign list, as some have claimed, which would be listed first?

Could change the names and swap the order each campaign.

Zevrro · June 2019

Nogawd wrote: »

Zevrro wrote: »

Nogawd wrote: »

bagon wrote: »

Sorry i want 2 actually pvp

So...what is actually stopping you from doing that?

Have you tried to pvp on the non locked campaigns?

I have only been EP (on all characters) on the 30 day campaigns from the start of the game. I don't need to hop to the winner to farm, which is what this is really about.

Exactly, you haven't tried. Nobody is hopping to the winning side to farm because there is nothing to farm on the winning side.

Vietfox · June 2019

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Easy fix. Make 7 day campaign into a 30 day locked campaign and see how popular it is.

Easier fix, leave it as it is and see how popular 7 days campaign gets.

Nogawd · June 2019

Zevrro wrote: »

Nogawd wrote: »

Zevrro wrote: »

Nogawd wrote: »

bagon wrote: »

Sorry i want 2 actually pvp

So...what is actually stopping you from doing that?

Have you tried to pvp on the non locked campaigns?

I have only been EP (on all characters) on the 30 day campaigns from the start of the game. I don't need to hop to the winner to farm, which is what this is really about.

Exactly, you haven't tried. Nobody is hopping to the winning side to farm because there is nothing to farm on the winning side.

You act like you have nowhere to pvp at all, which is false.

Zevrro · June 2019

Nogawd wrote: »

Zevrro wrote: »

Nogawd wrote: »

Zevrro wrote: »

Nogawd wrote: »

bagon wrote: »

Sorry i want 2 actually pvp

So...what is actually stopping you from doing that?

Have you tried to pvp on the non locked campaigns?

I have only been EP (on all characters) on the 30 day campaigns from the start of the game. I don't need to hop to the winner to farm, which is what this is really about.

Exactly, you haven't tried. Nobody is hopping to the winning side to farm because there is nothing to farm on the winning side.

You act like you have nowhere to pvp at all, which is false.

No I didn't, you're just attaching arguments made by other people to me because I don't like the faction lock as well. There are plenty of places to find good pvp but the dead 7 day campaign is not one of them.

idk · June 2019

VaranisArano wrote: »

The way I see it, and the way I suspect ZOS expected it to work out is that if it were really important to CP players to play with their multifaction friends or their other faction characters, those groups would go over to the 7-day campaign, and if its important enough to enough players, that campaign would become competitive.

As it is, I suspect we're seeing a different result.

Instead, many Multifaction players are sticking with the CP 30 day campaign and just complaining that they can't play with their friends/other faction characters, rather than commiting to multifaction play with friends/on other characters on the 7-day campaign.

In other words, I think this is a matter of "be the change you want to see". If you want to convince ZOS there's a huge demand for multifaction play, one of the best ways to do so would be for multifaction players to move to the 7-day campaign and make it a competitive server!

Otherwise, it looks to ZOS like everyone can live with faction locks, since they mostly stayed in the locked CP campaign. Players may not like it, but they didnt dislike it enough to leave en masse for the multifaction alternative, nor did they care enough about not being able to play with friends/other faction characters enough to change their regular gameplay habits.

If Zos really did think people would spread out across different campaigns then they have not paid much attention to PvP over the past 5 years as a most all players have played in the same campaigns going all the way back to when we could pop lock two campaigns that had higher pop caps than we have today.

This was even when the PvP buffs carried over into PvE. Many homed in our "buff" campaign but PvPed in the campaign that more robust PvP.

Personally, I think this is just another case where Zos did not think things though at all which has been a real issue.

master_vanargand · June 2019

Why did CP 7 day campaign dead?
That's because the anti faction lock players is not effort.
The anti faction lock players should persuade friends and guilds to play in CP 7 day campaign.
But the anti faction lock players keep doing nothing and keep crying.

Why are you not doing anything?
It is up to you to revitalize the CP 7 day campaign.

Gilvoth · June 2019

if you faction hop it should let you be flaggable and killable by ALL!

Roaldy · June 2019

VaranisArano wrote: »

The way I see it, and the way I suspect ZOS expected it to work out is that if it were really important to CP players to play with their multifaction friends or their other faction characters, those groups would go over to the 7-day campaign, and if its important enough to enough players, that campaign would become competitive.

As it is, I suspect we're seeing a different result.

Instead, many Multifaction players are sticking with the CP 30 day campaign and just complaining that they can't play with their friends/other faction characters, rather than commiting to multifaction play with friends/on other characters on the 7-day campaign.

In other words, I think this is a matter of "be the change you want to see". If you want to convince ZOS there's a huge demand for multifaction play, one of the best ways to do so would be for multifaction players to move to the 7-day campaign and make it a competitive server!

Otherwise, it looks to ZOS like everyone can live with faction locks, since they mostly stayed in the locked CP campaign. Players may not like it, but they didnt dislike it enough to leave en masse for the multifaction alternative, nor did they care enough about not being able to play with friends/other faction characters enough to change their regular gameplay habits.

i wonder if faction locks got put on the 7 day the same would have happened with all the pro faction lock players....

ZOS_RikardD · June 2019

Greetings,

As there are already several other active threads about Faction Lock, we have decided to close this topic.

Thank you for your understanding.