Jawasa wrote: »

On morrowind patterns I agree they are to rare they should remove the other patterns from vvardenfell containers to not dilute the drop rate. Seems like simple fix to me. Same with CWC ones.

I'd really like to see more things "local"

Drives me buggy to see Alits in Kenarthi's Roost.

why is there EVER saltrice outside of Morrowind?

I think that just like motifs, sets and such, patterns and food items should be local. Wasn't food originally that way?

Buy them on market omg..not worth farming them because of the pool.I bought 100k-900k telvanni recipes its so much easier to farm 1 million to buy them than farming them

Just so you don't feel alone - the droprates on Morrowind purple recipes seems to be(according to my own results and those of a few others) about 1/22k urns. So you're only a little bit below average with 0/30k I have about a dozen I think. Maybe tad bit more. Because I parked 4-5 toons in a tomb at the time; I can be pretty stubborn, but even I got tired eventually.

And yes, they're pretty damn aware of this and perfectly satisfied with this model. It's not going to change, in fact I get the feeling their original intention was to not put them in the game AT ALL other than Crown Store but then they imagined the uproar and did this instead(so now they can safely say "but they're there, you're just unlucky with rng!").

The only thing I'd like to add is - for the love of the Eight, do not buy those things in Crown Store. Do not encourage this ^*#^&(#$ behaviour.

I did get a few epic morrowind patterns from urns. but it took a LOT of urns. and I do mean a LOT. someone has to farm the damn things or they NEVER show up on traders to begin with.

I'm farming roughly 300 urns daily since Morrowind release, although that number is going down since I just can't be arsed anymore. I'm not even really playing the game any more. My favourite players from the guild and I RP on web chat where we don't bump into item limits and are frustrated by *** drop rates.

I enjoy crafting things for myself. I enjoy being able to make something if I want something. I'm okay with putting a massive amount of time and gold into the game. But right now i'm so fed up with Housing. Not that I don't see a chance on Nirn to ever be able to furnish my own houses with Vvardenfell furnitures, the vehking recipes are so rare that I had to search for six weeks to find someone who was able to craft me something I wanted. (on EU. Yes, I know, you probably know a dozen of people, good for you.)

Because I parked 4-5 toons in a tomb at the time; I can be pretty stubborn, but even I got tired eventually.

I'm an all or nothing person. Right now, I'm heavily sliding towards nothing. Thanks to the fact that I've extracted my most important guild mates to other means of communication, at least not towards depression with it, but - I like ESO. I want to keep playing. But this is killing my fun.

Is it possible that maybe epic Vvardenfell plans don't come from urns? Maybe they can only be picked from pockets or other certain containers? I have gotten a couple epic plans from urns, but they were vanilla.

I know that two recipes drop from the blacksmith. Yes, the blacksmith. There's only a single blacksmith in all of Vvardenfell. I've farmed him for 6-8 hours on three evenings while I was reading. We were standing behind him with five people and kept looting and killing, and while I got some nice social interaction out of it, I wanted the blueprints. After only three days I had two Dres Cauldrons, Banded, and was able to trade one of them to Indoril Bellows from one of the other guys.
I've talked to a person who's unemployed due to health reasons and literally does nothing else than grinding urns for 12 hours a day while watching TV. They are a furnisher and have exactly twenty-two epic Morrowind recipes more than I. Twenty-two recipes in 149 days since release.

ZOS, is this working as intended?

And as I see now, my wife ninja'd me...

The low droprate made me decide not to buy cwc at all, and will be my first DLC save the dungeon onces i don't own outright (prefer that to renting with eso+). I farm it for the one month I have ESO+ (I cherry pick eso+ subscription months instead of being eso+ non stop), then leave it at that. All that's left for me after that is furniture plan farming anyway (haven't gotten a single one yet)... and seeing that is impossible anyway with the droprate... not gonna bother.
Morrowind's droprate is terrible as well, so not farming there either. I get a plan or not playing the game, counting on probably not. Which is a shame as the lack of plans also diminishes my drive to get more houses and decorate more then on the side with whatever I pick up. Making the whole housing thing a fraction of the playdrive it could have been for me.

Ofcourse the low itemcount (especially without eso+) is a big reason I ain't all over it to begin with. Shame really as housing is the reason I kept playing Rift and Wildstar way way after I already was done with the game itself, and accounted to a big part of my money spend.
I dislike filling up a house during eso+ time as that means being stuck with the items till i subscribe again, as I will simply pack them up then and can't replace anything till I take half out again. And I like being able to play around with the house-items all the time. So even with the temporal ESO+ times for me i still keep to the non-ESO+ limits.

I've noticed another important problem except the ridiculous drop rates. It's the difference of furnitures items available for gold and crowns purchase only.
Some kinds of furnitures (too many in my opinion) are not available at all for gold purchase. For example weeping willow, among many others.
All furnitures should be purchasable in gold, and not only in crowns. But sadly, I know ZOS will never change that. The worst with that is the lack of furnitures on sale by achievements merchants npc, cwc merchant isn't even selling one single plant!

See here for example for difference between crowns and gold:

https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/category/database/item-type/furnishing/conservatory/giant-trees/

manavortex wrote: »

There's another merchant right next to the CWC furnisher with plants

Not for me.

What they sell is updated when we complete more quests?

Still nothing. All addons disabled, I even restarted the game.

Maybe it change when you accomplish more quests? How many quests have you finished in clockwork city?

(can you share screenshots of your list please for see the difference?)

Will do when I'm home. Fairly certain there are saplings and bushes and the like. And I've cleared it, yes. Maybe that has something to do with it?

Check FurnitureCatalogue if you want to know right now

Then I rest my case. (I was just logging in! )

All I need is to increase the cap per housing. I just reached 600 with my Forgotten Stronghold and already was moving a lot of items from one place to another. There are so many Tiny Items which looks good only in great number but it takes a lot of space. For example the food on tables, when you need to make a throne room and many tables for many feasters, many chairs each needs some food and drinks and it can take a lot from 600.

Currently I have so many fine rooms with cool furnitures which all were either crafted by me or bought for gold after completing achievements and my current goal is to gather all in game achievement furnitures. I never bought a single furniture for crowns, the house is also bought for gold earned from trading.

The problem is that making achievements to have the ability to buy cool items drums up the willingness to play more. After I reached the cap there was no longer so deep interest in doing more achievements. Decision about deleting some furnitures to make a place for others should not be made by us. We just need more space for our cool ideas.

I farm two Wardenfell tombs every day. At the beginning I got a few nice housing plans but now i'm lucky to get any. CWC is even worse. From day one I've done the main quest line, do dailies every day, thieve every day - number of CWC plans looted? A big fat zero. For reasons I won't bother to explain I was unable to take part in the recent group dungeon event but from what I hear from guildies, lots of CWC plans were given as rewards. This just doesn't make sense to me.

I don't know what the answer is but I do know that I won't be spending real money on housing items - if that's Zos's plan it has failed.