investment in horse is significantly wasted

HeroOfEvbof · February 2015

my main toon has two horses. one was fed for all capacity. the other horse i forked over 47,000 gold to start with 10 capacity and then for all speed.
when i get converted to pts that 47k investment is gone. i have a skin, but i really dont think 30,ooo gold above the normal horse price should only get you a skin

Kragorn · February 2015

You do understand about the Riding Skill, don't you?

I suspect not, otherwise you'd see that's where the horses' stats now are, your 47k investment still gets you what it did pre-1.6, you have a BONUS now that all your characters have access to the same skins, though they will have to level their own Riding Skills.

KeplerMG · February 2015

ZOS have been eerily silent about this one. I think they feel our pain, but have no intentions of doing something for us players who have spent lots of money to have different kinds of horses.

HeroOfEvbof · February 2015

Kragorn wrote: »

You do understand about the Riding Skill, don't you?

I suspect not, otherwise you'd see that's where the horses' stats now are, your 47k investment still gets you what it did pre-1.6, you have a BONUS now that all your characters have access to the same skins, though they will have to level their own Riding Skills.

None of my toons have a BONUS. All of my toons have exactly the capacity they fed their horses to. My main fed a horse to 50 capacity and that is what he has. My alt fed a horse to 25 capacity and that is what he has.

NO BONUS

How dare you address me so condescendingly and be wrong at the same time. a quick log onto the pts by yourself would have easily revealed there was NO BONUS

I stand by original post. I have spent 30,000 and all I have is a skin. I do not feel having that skin on all my toons is a fair value for 30k.

Max2497 · February 2015

You don't have the bonus capacity because the riding skill takes the maximum value from all a characters horses. Since your 50 capacity on one horse is more than the one you paid extra for, your riding skill is still 50. Had you put all carry capacity into the one with the extra 10 capacity you would have had 60.

The bonuses on horses are working. The quote below is from a different thread on the same issue.

Max2497 wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Gyudan wrote: »

Buying the most expensive horses will just save you 10 days of training now. The stats are capped at 60% for everyone.
(yes, it sucks)

This is not true and I hope no one blows a ton of gold after reading it to try to save 10 days.

It only counts the points you've spent not the extra your horse may have come with. For example, on live I have an imperial horse with 17 stamina. Imperial horses have a base 10 stamina and I spent 7 points leveling stamina, which makes 17. On the PTS, my horse stamina is 7.

Thanks for posting this. This made me realize my extra 10 in stamina DID transfer over. What's not transferring over is the base that the horses normally come with. All horses have a minimum base of 10 stamina. Buying the gaited horse gets a bonus of 10 additional stamina. The bonus plus number of upgrades it what becomes the riding skill. On Live, I had a gaited horse (10 base plus 10 bonus) and 17 upgrades for a total of 37. On PTS, I have 27. The fact that the imperials are also showing a loss of 10 means the bonuses are transferring the base stats are not. I checked the same with speed. I only have a imperial horse so it has a base speed of 15%. My riding skill on PTS was 15 less than the horse's speed on Live. There shouldn't be any difference between cargo capacity numbers between Live and PTS because the base cargo is 0.

HeroOfEvbof · February 2015

My original post was not a bug report. I know full well what the previous posts regarding skills are.
My original post is a complaint, much like the "why did you nerf such-and-such" threads.
In my opinion - they have nerfed the 47k horses.
I am aware that they have explained they were doing so.
I am now on record as being angry about it.

Mix · February 2015

HeroOfEvbof wrote: »

Kragorn wrote: »

You do understand about the Riding Skill, don't you?

I suspect not, otherwise you'd see that's where the horses' stats now are, your 47k investment still gets you what it did pre-1.6, you have a BONUS now that all your characters have access to the same skins, though they will have to level their own Riding Skills.

None of my toons have a BONUS. All of my toons have exactly the capacity they fed their horses to. My main fed a horse to 50 capacity and that is what he has. My alt fed a horse to 25 capacity and that is what he has.

NO BONUS

How dare you address me so condescendingly and be wrong at the same time. a quick log onto the pts by yourself would have easily revealed there was NO BONUS

I stand by original post. I have spent 30,000 and all I have is a skin. I do not feel having that skin on all my toons is a fair value for 30k.

The bonus he was referring to wasn't the stats. It is the fact that now all your toons can ride the mounts, regardless of the skin colours, for the same investment. If you have the black horse on one character another character can ride it without having to pay 47k.

Also, 30k is NOTHING, chump change really. Gold is really easy to make even when not trying to (which is me, I don't play markets and I hoard all my valuables rather than sell them because i might need them and I am sitting at 275k. I bought all the horses, all the bag and bank slots before I hit v5 and I know there are people who can afford them much earlier than that!)

Recremen · February 2015

My main has every horse, most of which are maxed on a stat, so I kinda feel your pain, but investment in things that eventually become deprecated, outclassed, etc. is kind of a staple of MMOs. IDK, I don't see it as a huge deal, but I know where you're coming from.

Ezareth · February 2015

HeroOfEvbof wrote: »

Kragorn wrote: »

You do understand about the Riding Skill, don't you?

I suspect not, otherwise you'd see that's where the horses' stats now are, your 47k investment still gets you what it did pre-1.6, you have a BONUS now that all your characters have access to the same skins, though they will have to level their own Riding Skills.

None of my toons have a BONUS. All of my toons have exactly the capacity they fed their horses to. My main fed a horse to 50 capacity and that is what he has. My alt fed a horse to 25 capacity and that is what he has.

NO BONUS

How dare you address me so condescendingly and be wrong at the same time. a quick log onto the pts by yourself would have easily revealed there was NO BONUS

I stand by original post. I have spent 30,000 and all I have is a skin. I do not feel having that skin on all my toons is a fair value for 30k.

You paid 47K for a skin and +10 to a particular stat. I bought every horse in the game myself and max the light and draft horses but didn't max the stamina horse in stamina but used speed instead. On the PTS my stats are 60/20/60 so I bought another horse to max stam before the conversion.

You knew when you bought the horse what you were getting...a skin and a +10 bonus the stat of your choice. You aren't losing that, and now you're also able to use the maximum stats of all of your horses at the same time on *every* character you have. *That* is the bonus.

Mix wrote: »

HeroOfEvbof wrote: »

Kragorn wrote: »

You do understand about the Riding Skill, don't you?

I suspect not, otherwise you'd see that's where the horses' stats now are, your 47k investment still gets you what it did pre-1.6, you have a BONUS now that all your characters have access to the same skins, though they will have to level their own Riding Skills.

None of my toons have a BONUS. All of my toons have exactly the capacity they fed their horses to. My main fed a horse to 50 capacity and that is what he has. My alt fed a horse to 25 capacity and that is what he has.

NO BONUS

How dare you address me so condescendingly and be wrong at the same time. a quick log onto the pts by yourself would have easily revealed there was NO BONUS

I stand by original post. I have spent 30,000 and all I have is a skin. I do not feel having that skin on all my toons is a fair value for 30k.

The bonus he was referring to wasn't the stats. It is the fact that now all your toons can ride the mounts, regardless of the skin colours, for the same investment. If you have the black horse on one character another character can ride it without having to pay 47k.

Also, 30k is NOTHING, chump change really. Gold is really easy to make even when not trying to (which is me, I don't play markets and I hoard all my valuables rather than sell them because i might need them and I am sitting at 275k. I bought all the horses, all the bag and bank slots before I hit v5 and I know there are people who can afford them much earlier than that!)

You may have bought all of the bag slots but there is no way you hit it before V5 without doing some serious market work. My next bank slot is 75K. That means I spent over 450K for 210 slots, and getting to the max 220 would cost me another 240K.

HeroOfEvbof · February 2015

LoL - 30k is indeed chump change. It doesnt take long for my hirelings to generate enough rosin/alloy/wax that I can easily make 30k without lifting a finger in about one weeks time - and I dont even have my hirelings at max efficiency - only three lumberjacks and two clothier hirelings (my five mining hirelings dont seem to pop all that much alloy and the refinement process doesnt seem to generate it much either). If I had five lumberjacks I would be rolling in Rosin and thus rolling in dough.
Nonetheless - I want to complain about the horse and my loss of 30k. I would never had made such a huge outlay had I known that I would eventually lose something that I thought had permanancy. I could have bought a 1g horse and fed it alternatively for speed and capacity for the first two weeks - or I could have put 10 more things in the bank so that when I jumped on the horse I was feeding for speed I didnt have to worry about bag.
Instead I plunked down the extra 30k because it was useful (if not necessary) in the short term and would never be a problem long term.
And that is why I am complaining and why I specifically used the word "investment". I never imagined this "investment" to get nerfed.

Sylvyr · February 2015

let's call the gold spent in levelling a horse converted to riding skill a draw. Since those stats will be converted on a per character basis.

Now as for spending on the actual horses. Well, horses now become a global item over an account. So if you bought one 42.7K horse pre 1.6 you will have it available to all toons post patcj. If you bought 12 42.7K horses on multiple toons pre 1.6, 11 are wasted so kiss 469.7K good bye.

I understand MMOs change, and things get deprecated and that's fine for the good of the game in the long run, but that's a lot of scratch to toss aside. If I knew this was coming they would have EASILY been 1g horses. I'd rather spend that on something else and while change is change, being considerate and thinking of how to compensate loss to players in some reasonable form would seem to be not in the realm of the outrageous.

Ezareth · February 2015

Sylvyr wrote: »

let's call the gold spent in levelling a horse converted to riding skill a draw. Since those stats will be converted on a per character basis.

Now as for spending on the actual horses. Well, horses now become a global item over an account. So if you bought one 42.7K horse pre 1.6 you will have it available to all toons post patcj. If you bought 12 42.7K horses on multiple toons pre 1.6, 11 are wasted so kiss 469.7K good bye.

I understand MMOs change, and things get deprecated and that's fine for the good of the game in the long run, but that's a lot of scratch to toss aside. If I knew this was coming they would have EASILY been 1g horses. I'd rather spend that on something else and while change is change, being considerate and thinking of how to compensate loss to players in some reasonable form would seem to be not in the realm of the outrageous.

How are the 11 horses being thrown away? If you bought 12 42K horses, those same characters have access to the same horses and the stats they provided plus the max stats of any other horses the account has. Everyone wins.

The only thing you can say negative about this change is had you only bought the 3 unique 42K horses you'd be in the same place as someone who bought 4 copies of each of the 3 horses after patch and thus the added expense is no longer giving you a unique benefit.

What do you think ZoS should do reimburse you for multiples of the same horse?

Wicked_Wolf · February 2015

This whole thing has me so confused lol. I know the color of your mount will become across all characters, but what about the appearance details?

For example; If my NB has max speed on one mount and max Stam on another, can my new DK character pick the straps and armor for his new mount, but with base stats?

Scotia · February 2015

Feel your pain OP. I bought 4 speed horses for my 4 VRs and leveled them to 60. Now I get one skin that all my characters use. I should be able to sell my horses back to stable master if I have 4 of the same skin.

Vandril · February 2015

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Sylvyr wrote: »

let's call the gold spent in levelling a horse converted to riding skill a draw. Since those stats will be converted on a per character basis.

Now as for spending on the actual horses. Well, horses now become a global item over an account. So if you bought one 42.7K horse pre 1.6 you will have it available to all toons post patcj. If you bought 12 42.7K horses on multiple toons pre 1.6, 11 are wasted so kiss 469.7K good bye.

I understand MMOs change, and things get deprecated and that's fine for the good of the game in the long run, but that's a lot of scratch to toss aside. If I knew this was coming they would have EASILY been 1g horses. I'd rather spend that on something else and while change is change, being considerate and thinking of how to compensate loss to players in some reasonable form would seem to be not in the realm of the outrageous.

How are the 11 horses being thrown away? If you bought 12 42K horses, those same characters have access to the same horses and the stats they provided plus the max stats of any other horses the account has. Everyone wins.

I think he's complaining about a sort of opportunity cost due to the circumstances of the change. He could have very well bought less horses previously and gotten the same result, thus saving money. Because he didn't, he feels like he'd wasted money.

It's a silly thing to argue about. While I understand where they're coming from, I can't take these kinds of complaints seriously.

People who bought more than what would be ideal post-change did so because it was ideal pre-change. They paid for the advantage, and that advantage was had. They got exactly what they paid for. But now they complain because they feel like they wasted money, since they could have done with less without losing out on anything post-change, completely ignoring the fact that they already reaped the benefits of their steep expenditures.

People are not losing a single thing post-change. The only difference post-change will be that it is possible that someone else who was more conservative with their gold expenditures on horses could be at the same place, with the same advantages as them, with less overall gold costs.

It's rather like going out to eat, buying a ton of food, eating it, and then complaining after you eat it because you bought more than you needed, saying that the restaurant should reimburse you for your having ordered too much because others got the same amount of useful sustenance while ordering less than you.

People have every right to be upset by the change, but they don't deserve any sort of compensation for it. I reiterate, they got exactly what they paid for when they paid for it and aren't losing a thing.

Edit: Spelling, grammar, and word flow.

Recremen · February 2015

Wicked_Wolf wrote: »

This whole thing has me so confused lol. I know the color of your mount will become across all characters, but what about the appearance details?

For example; If my NB has max speed on one mount and max Stam on another, can my new DK character pick the straps and armor for his new mount, but with base stats?

Do you mean that you'd like to pick the features your horse has once you reach an adequate level, instead of them permanently binding to all your mounts when your skill reaches the threshold? Because if so, you have my support 100%. I don't like how the bags on horses look for most of my characters, and would love to be able to change it up based on who's riding, provided they have the requisite level in the skill to unlock any given feature.

Another good change would be saddle/gear/armor dye for horses, even if from a limited selection of dyes, like how most people want for weapons.

Ezareth · February 2015

Wicked_Wolf wrote: »

This whole thing has me so confused lol. I know the color of your mount will become across all characters, but what about the appearance details?

For example; If my NB has max speed on one mount and max Stam on another, can my new DK character pick the straps and armor for his new mount, but with base stats?

Nope. All your horses have the ugly packs, the barding and the face armor. It is the biggest negative to me as nothing says "Kill me" in Cyrodiil like someone riding a horse with packs on it.

Vandril wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Sylvyr wrote: »

let's call the gold spent in levelling a horse converted to riding skill a draw. Since those stats will be converted on a per character basis.

Now as for spending on the actual horses. Well, horses now become a global item over an account. So if you bought one 42.7K horse pre 1.6 you will have it available to all toons post patcj. If you bought 12 42.7K horses on multiple toons pre 1.6, 11 are wasted so kiss 469.7K good bye.

I understand MMOs change, and things get deprecated and that's fine for the good of the game in the long run, but that's a lot of scratch to toss aside. If I knew this was coming they would have EASILY been 1g horses. I'd rather spend that on something else and while change is change, being considerate and thinking of how to compensate loss to players in some reasonable form would seem to be not in the realm of the outrageous.

How are the 11 horses being thrown away? If you bought 12 42K horses, those same characters have access to the same horses and the stats they provided plus the max stats of any other horses the account has. Everyone wins.

I think he's complaining about a sort of opportunity cost due to the circumstances of the change. He could have very well bought less horses previously and gotten the same result, thus saving money. Because he didn't, he feels like he'd wasted money.

It's a silly thing to argue about. While I understand where they're coming from, I can't take these kinds of complaints seriously.

People who bought more than what would be ideal post-change did so because it was ideal pre-change. They paid for the advantage, and that advantage was had. They got exactly what they paid for. But now they complain because they feel like they wasted money, since they could have done with less without losing out on anything post-change, completely ignoring the fact that they already reaped the benefits of their steep expenditures.

People are not losing a single thing post-change. The only difference post-change will be that it is possible that someone else who was more conservative with their gold expenditures on horses could be at the same place, with the same advantages as them, with less overall gold costs.

It's rather like going out to eat, buying a ton of food, eating it, and then complaining after you eat it because you bought more than you needed, saying that the restaurant should reimburse them for their having ordered too much because others got the same amounts of useful sustenance by ordering less than them.

People have every right to be upset by the change, but they don't deserve any sort of compensation for it. I reiterate, they got exactly what they paid for when they paid for it.

Eloquently put. That's basically what I was trying to say. These people are upset because other people (who didn't buy 12 horses) are getting the same benefit as they are but they in fact did not lose anything.

I made the mistake of buying a 5th stable slot (10K) when I saw these changes in order to level a pure stamina horse when I should have just deleted my pure speed Imperial horse and bought a new one and maxed stamina on it.

Ourorboros · February 2015

Crap happens. Sometimes you step in it. C'est la vie.

Theegoliath · February 2015

I have three 47k horses. Do I feel like it wasted money? No.

I will have max stats on my riding skill, and four riding skins when 1.6 goes live (including the tiger mount). Everyones value of 1k in game gold is different, because everyone makes it differently and at different quantities. So arguing about personal opinions is a waste of time.

Vordae · February 2015

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HeroOfEvbof wrote: »

Kragorn wrote: »

You do understand about the Riding Skill, don't you?

I suspect not, otherwise you'd see that's where the horses' stats now are, your 47k investment still gets you what it did pre-1.6, you have a BONUS now that all your characters have access to the same skins, though they will have to level their own Riding Skills.

None of my toons have a BONUS. All of my toons have exactly the capacity they fed their horses to. My main fed a horse to 50 capacity and that is what he has. My alt fed a horse to 25 capacity and that is what he has.

NO BONUS

How dare you address me so condescendingly and be wrong at the same time. a quick log onto the pts by yourself would have easily revealed there was NO BONUS

I stand by original post. I have spent 30,000 and all I have is a skin. I do not feel having that skin on all my toons is a fair value for 30k.

That 30k investment to increase capacity you still fully get. You didn't lose that investment. It's still there for the hero you made the investment on. The bonus he speaks of is that you unlocked that skin on top of the increased capacity for that hero. Now every new hero you create has access to that skin.

prototypefb · February 2015

can't wait my khajiit riding senche
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HeroOfEvbof · February 2015

Vordae wrote: »

Th

HeroOfEvbof wrote: »

Kragorn wrote: »

You do understand about the Riding Skill, don't you?

I suspect not, otherwise you'd see that's where the horses' stats now are, your 47k investment still gets you what it did pre-1.6, you have a BONUS now that all your characters have access to the same skins, though they will have to level their own Riding Skills.

None of my toons have a BONUS. All of my toons have exactly the capacity they fed their horses to. My main fed a horse to 50 capacity and that is what he has. My alt fed a horse to 25 capacity and that is what he has.

NO BONUS

How dare you address me so condescendingly and be wrong at the same time. a quick log onto the pts by yourself would have easily revealed there was NO BONUS

I stand by original post. I have spent 30,000 and all I have is a skin. I do not feel having that skin on all my toons is a fair value for 30k.

That 30k investment to increase capacity you still fully get. You didn't lose that investment. It's still there for the hero you made the investment on. The bonus he speaks of is that you unlocked that skin on top of the increased capacity for that hero. Now every new hero you create has access to that skin.

Your final paragraph is incorrect.

Each of my mules have fed for both capacity and speed. For example one has fed for 22 capacity and 18 speed. When this toon was converted, his personal riding skill was 22 capacity and 18 speed. He got every last gold piece invested in the conversion.

My main has two horses. One was fed 50 capacity, the other 48 speed. My main has a riding skill of 50 capacity and 48 speed. However, the horse I fed for speed I invested 47k to get 10 capacity.

In the conversion, my main does NOT HAVE that extra capacity. That 10 capacity IS GONE. Stop telling me I have it. It is NOT THERE.

That 10 capacity cost me 30k above and beyond the normal price of a horse. If I had fed that horse for 10 capacity I would have spend a measly 2500g. A gold amount so negligible as to be almost unmentionable.

30k is a ton of gold, and I cannot stress this enough, I have NOTHING for it except a skin.

Let me make this clear: I have a toon that spent 12,500g for 50 capacity and another 30,000 for 10 capacity and he does not have 60 capacity - he has 50.
I invested 30k in the belief that as a long term investment this was a good idea and it is gone.

HeroOfEvbof · February 2015

Ourorboros wrote: »

Crap happens. Sometimes you step in it. C'est la vie.

Crap does happen. Sometimes we step in it. Sometimes we are all using a common "not quite as intended feature" and it gets nerfed.
And people complain. They complain that it wasn't an exploit, it was a feature. The forum is full of these style complaints.

The 47k horse was not an exploit. It was not a "not really intended" feature. It was a serious amount of gold for a very useful time-saving feature.
And it has been nerfed.

KeplerMG · February 2015

All they have to do is let us sell horses back for full value for a week, then patch it out. But with a dev team so obsessed with draining gold out of the game, it is highly unlikely it will happen.

Theegoliath · February 2015

I havnt checked in 1.6.2, but in 1.6 only 50 speed transfered over out of the 60 thats on my max speed horse. Thus making the 47k horses only for skin and not gaining the extra 10 bonus. Or is this a bug?

HeroOfEvbof · February 2015

theegoliathb14_ESO wrote: »

I havnt checked in 1.6.2, but in 1.6 only 50 speed transfered over out of the 60 thats on my max speed horse. Thus making the 47k horses only for skin and not gaining the extra 10 bonus. Or is this a bug?

afaik that was a bug. if you had a speed horse and fed 50 speed, you were supposed to get 60 speed - and i think it was fixed in 1.6.2

my complaint is that I bought a capacity horse but fed for capacity on a different horse and I am screwed

glak · February 2015

Deleted my pack horse for a slightly better pack horse, then ZoS springs the horse change on 1.6. Sucks being greedy.

Fortunately the horse in this picture escaped unharmed.

Mix · February 2015

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

HeroOfEvbof wrote: »

Kragorn wrote: »

You do understand about the Riding Skill, don't you?

I suspect not, otherwise you'd see that's where the horses' stats now are, your 47k investment still gets you what it did pre-1.6, you have a BONUS now that all your characters have access to the same skins, though they will have to level their own Riding Skills.

None of my toons have a BONUS. All of my toons have exactly the capacity they fed their horses to. My main fed a horse to 50 capacity and that is what he has. My alt fed a horse to 25 capacity and that is what he has.

NO BONUS

How dare you address me so condescendingly and be wrong at the same time. a quick log onto the pts by yourself would have easily revealed there was NO BONUS

I stand by original post. I have spent 30,000 and all I have is a skin. I do not feel having that skin on all my toons is a fair value for 30k.

You paid 47K for a skin and +10 to a particular stat. I bought every horse in the game myself and max the light and draft horses but didn't max the stamina horse in stamina but used speed instead. On the PTS my stats are 60/20/60 so I bought another horse to max stam before the conversion.

You knew when you bought the horse what you were getting...a skin and a +10 bonus the stat of your choice. You aren't losing that, and now you're also able to use the maximum stats of all of your horses at the same time on *every* character you have. *That* is the bonus.

Mix wrote: »

HeroOfEvbof wrote: »

Kragorn wrote: »

You do understand about the Riding Skill, don't you?

I suspect not, otherwise you'd see that's where the horses' stats now are, your 47k investment still gets you what it did pre-1.6, you have a BONUS now that all your characters have access to the same skins, though they will have to level their own Riding Skills.

None of my toons have a BONUS. All of my toons have exactly the capacity they fed their horses to. My main fed a horse to 50 capacity and that is what he has. My alt fed a horse to 25 capacity and that is what he has.

NO BONUS

How dare you address me so condescendingly and be wrong at the same time. a quick log onto the pts by yourself would have easily revealed there was NO BONUS

I stand by original post. I have spent 30,000 and all I have is a skin. I do not feel having that skin on all my toons is a fair value for 30k.

The bonus he was referring to wasn't the stats. It is the fact that now all your toons can ride the mounts, regardless of the skin colours, for the same investment. If you have the black horse on one character another character can ride it without having to pay 47k.

Also, 30k is NOTHING, chump change really. Gold is really easy to make even when not trying to (which is me, I don't play markets and I hoard all my valuables rather than sell them because i might need them and I am sitting at 275k. I bought all the horses, all the bag and bank slots before I hit v5 and I know there are people who can afford them much earlier than that!)

You may have bought all of the bag slots but there is no way you hit it before V5 without doing some serious market work. My next bank slot is 75K. That means I spent over 450K for 210 slots, and getting to the max 220 would cost me another 240K.

I level really slow (1-v5 from early access to mid-summer, then I took a break and came back to do v5-10 over a couple months before the vet xp change, going v10-14 felt super fast because of that xp change and I did that starting after Christmas), largely because I gather everything around me (ooo shiny!). I vendored a lot of stacks of refined materials as there was very little market for them. I can't pass a container without opening it so I did tend to find motifs a lot, but playing the market no. I only sell things when I go past my "hoard" mark. Which is 200 for every temper and 100 for every herb type/style stone/trait stone. I smashed every piece of gear I picked up until bs/cloth/ww were at max which was somewhere around v2-3, then I vendored white/green but smashed blue+. I am kinda curious if I were to level another character in the same slow relaxed fashion, but not buy anything how much I would have by v14.

Oh and seems odd but cooking all the prov mats I found every morning after my container clear of the city i was in worked out to a few thousand a day. They have since seemed to alter the drop rates on certain mats though...

Mix · February 2015

HeroOfEvbof wrote: »

afaik that was a bug. if you had a speed horse and fed 50 speed, you were supposed to get 60 speed - and i think it was fixed in 1.6.2
(snip)

Just checked and my toon has 60 speed and 60 capacity, so 1.6.2 fixed that conversion issue. (i fed my black horse a mixture of stam/speed so my stam isn't at 60)