Can we get a hotfix on PTS?

Kragorn · February 2015

OtarTheMad wrote: »

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just a quick update: we were able to figure out what's causing this (short answer: it's complicated) and will make sure it's fixed in our next PTS patch. It's quite unlikely this will be hotfixed. It's not because it isn't a big deal - it definitely is - but the process to hotfix an issue on the PTS is quite different than the Live megaservers. That said, we're currently planning on having another PTS patch next week.

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌

Will this next patch make it so that Guards can finally and justifiably be killed, instead of having them be gods compared to all players?

Guards in towns should be basically unkillable... imagine how insane the Justice System and towns/cities would get if you could just kill the guards and get away with everything... that sucks.

Totally agree, this isn't WOW and we don't need communities obliterated by bored PVPers and griefers, aka. Crossroad 'raids' for those who suffered them over the years.

McDoogs · February 2015

Syntse wrote: »

BoloBoffin wrote: »

Well, there's no point in going to Cyrodiil, then.

So you mean people are in the PTS Cyro just to one shot everything. Basically not gaining anything from it since it's PTS. And will not stop doing it and continue with other testings until it's fixed? I would see and understand this happening in live but in PTS.

Gamers are gonna game, bro. Virtually everyone on PTS will use the one-shot bug when they start to lose, get bored, feel like being a jerk, etc. Not worth the time/effort to find pvp on pts imo

LtCrunch · February 2015

OtarTheMad wrote: »

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just a quick update: we were able to figure out what's causing this (short answer: it's complicated) and will make sure it's fixed in our next PTS patch. It's quite unlikely this will be hotfixed. It's not because it isn't a big deal - it definitely is - but the process to hotfix an issue on the PTS is quite different than the Live megaservers. That said, we're currently planning on having another PTS patch next week.

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌

Will this next patch make it so that Guards can finally and justifiably be killed, instead of having them be gods compared to all players?

Guards in towns should be basically unkillable... imagine how insane the Justice System and towns/cities would get if you could just kill the guards and get away with everything... that sucks.

Simple, spawn more guards. Multiple players attacking a guard? Send a few more guards after them. They should remain very powerful but invincible is extremely lame and the potential issues it prevents can be taken care of in other ways that are more immersive and much less lazy/lame.

TheBull · February 2015

McDoogs wrote: »

Syntse wrote: »

BoloBoffin wrote: »

Well, there's no point in going to Cyrodiil, then.

So you mean people are in the PTS Cyro just to one shot everything. Basically not gaining anything from it since it's PTS. And will not stop doing it and continue with other testings until it's fixed? I would see and understand this happening in live but in PTS.

Gamers are gonna game, bro. Virtually everyone on PTS will use the one-shot bug when they start to lose, get bored, feel like being a jerk, etc. Not worth the time/effort to find pvp on pts imo

Nah that's not true. 5-10 people out of 50 will. There have still been duels with no issue. Lastnight you had about 8 people one-shotting each other over ales and another group dueling at ash.

Mix · February 2015

Too many guards in a city with lots of players will likely cause a lot of lag, while I find the idea of "swarming" guards very amusing, I don't think it is very practical.

Garbrac · February 2015

So with @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ stating that the issue won't be fixed until the next patch it raises an interesting ethical question.

Should those who exploit this ability clearly knowing it's broken be banned even if it is on the PTS.

To me, an exploit is an exploit and if you're doing it on the PTS it is no different than on Live. People play on the PTS to enjoy the game and to test the content, when you know something is broken and you continue to use it you're exploiting.

Red Bull Gives You Wings, is a type of player that knows exactly how much each ability is hitting for using addons like Combat Analytic or FTC. So he knows it's a broken ability. Should he continue to use the ability on the PTS knowing this, should he or anyone else that uses it be banned / suspended for exploiting?

pppontus · February 2015

Garbrac wrote: »

So with @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ stating that the issue won't be fixed until the next patch it raises an interesting ethical question.

Should those who exploit this ability clearly knowing it's broken be banned even if it is on the PTS.

To me, an exploit is an exploit and if you're doing it on the PTS it is no different than on Live. People play on the PTS to enjoy the game and to test the content, when you know something is broken and you continue to use it you're exploiting.

Red Bull Gives You Wings, is a type of player that knows exactly how much each ability is hitting for using addons like Combat Analytic or FTC. So he knows it's a broken ability. Should he continue to use the ability on the PTS knowing this, should he or anyone else that uses it be banned / suspended for exploiting?

I'd say anyone who continues to use it should be banned from the PTS for a week, that seems reasonable. It's pretty clear that he isn't doing any testing apart from "how much damage can I get out of a confirmed bug"?

But yeah, that's my opinion, especially so for people who ruin others legitimate testing.

McDoogs · February 2015

This really sucks for NA players, because by the time it's fixed it will be EU's turn at having real characters on PTS.

ZOS_GinaBruno · February 2015

Garbrac wrote: »

So with @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ stating that the issue won't be fixed until the next patch it raises an interesting ethical question.

Should those who exploit this ability clearly knowing it's broken be banned even if it is on the PTS.

To me, an exploit is an exploit and if you're doing it on the PTS it is no different than on Live. People play on the PTS to enjoy the game and to test the content, when you know something is broken and you continue to use it you're exploiting.

Red Bull Gives You Wings, is a type of player that knows exactly how much each ability is hitting for using addons like Combat Analytic or FTC. So he knows it's a broken ability. Should he continue to use the ability on the PTS knowing this, should he or anyone else that uses it be banned / suspended for exploiting?

You're correct - an exploit is an exploit regardless of which server you're on. The purpose of the PTS is just that - to test content. If you find an exploit or broken feature, we expect you to report it and not abuse it, or prevent others from testing.

We'll take care of this.

TheBull · February 2015

Much respect.

Robbmrp · February 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just a quick update: we were able to figure out what's causing this (short answer: it's complicated) and will make sure it's fixed in our next PTS patch. It's quite unlikely this will be hotfixed. It's not because it isn't a big deal - it definitely is - but the process to hotfix an issue on the PTS is quite different than the Live megaservers. That said, we're currently planning on having another PTS patch next week.

And that's why I quit testing. IMO, what's the point in it when there are bugs this big that won't be addressed prior to a next patch.

Valnas · February 2015

please hotfix so we can test

i have filled out something like 100 bug/feedbacks on test starting at 1.6.1 and most of the stuff isn't even acknowledged let alone fixed. Please hold off this patch to end of march

cozmon3c_ESO · February 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Garbrac wrote: »

So with @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ stating that the issue won't be fixed until the next patch it raises an interesting ethical question.

Should those who exploit this ability clearly knowing it's broken be banned even if it is on the PTS.

To me, an exploit is an exploit and if you're doing it on the PTS it is no different than on Live. People play on the PTS to enjoy the game and to test the content, when you know something is broken and you continue to use it you're exploiting.

Red Bull Gives You Wings, is a type of player that knows exactly how much each ability is hitting for using addons like Combat Analytic or FTC. So he knows it's a broken ability. Should he continue to use the ability on the PTS knowing this, should he or anyone else that uses it be banned / suspended for exploiting?

You're correct - an exploit is an exploit regardless of which server you're on. The purpose of the PTS is just that - to test content. If you find an exploit or broken feature, we expect you to report it and not abuse it, or prevent others from testing.

We'll take care of this.

Since this bug will persist throughout the week I can give absolutely no feedback on combat balance this patch except that people are one shotting people. Nothing else will be credible from anyone this week. Seems like a waste of precious time, time that is probably quickly running out before you release 1.6. A hot fix is nessessary if you want any meaningful information for 1.6.2, just saying.

Night-claw · February 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Garbrac wrote: »

So with @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ stating that the issue won't be fixed until the next patch it raises an interesting ethical question.

Should those who exploit this ability clearly knowing it's broken be banned even if it is on the PTS.

To me, an exploit is an exploit and if you're doing it on the PTS it is no different than on Live. People play on the PTS to enjoy the game and to test the content, when you know something is broken and you continue to use it you're exploiting.

Red Bull Gives You Wings, is a type of player that knows exactly how much each ability is hitting for using addons like Combat Analytic or FTC. So he knows it's a broken ability. Should he continue to use the ability on the PTS knowing this, should he or anyone else that uses it be banned / suspended for exploiting?

You're correct - an exploit is an exploit regardless of which server you're on. The purpose of the PTS is just that - to test content. If you find an exploit or broken feature, we expect you to report it and not abuse it, or prevent others from testing.

We'll take care of this.

im i save to still be using 2hander?

WebBull · February 2015

Valnas wrote: »

Please hold off this patch to end of march

Agree. There is no way this patch is going to be ready for prime time anytime soon. I still don't understand why they decided to completely redesign the game in one patch. Even the regular patches we were receiving were never released properly.

This patch should have been fixing major issues in the existing game to polish the game up before the F2P re-release, not a game redesign.

Iyas · February 2015

Night-claw wrote: »

im i save to still be using 2hander?

i dont think so!

polar · February 2015

I do hope you put a foot down on the exploiting. I would love to test PvP stuff in PTS. However, the folks that take glee in one shotting everything just run around and make it difficult (impossible) to do legitimate testing. IN regards to this week being wasted... just test something other than 2 handed. Lots to test other than combat with a 2 handed weapon. Though, we will need to see how the fix to whatever is happening with 2 handed messes with other stuff or trickles down to other weapons.

c0rp · February 2015

Agree..no way this patch is ready for Feb release. Which is exactly why it WILL happen...lol.

Dracane · February 2015

I am scared, the next Patch is going to be a poor one.

Because this week, we weren't able to gather many information, issues and such things. We basically lost 1 week of testing. Sure there can be some PvE testing, but no serious pvp testing.

Does anyone know, how long big updates like 1.6 usually remain on the PTS ?

Robbmrp · February 2015

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Garbrac wrote: »

So with @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ stating that the issue won't be fixed until the next patch it raises an interesting ethical question.

Should those who exploit this ability clearly knowing it's broken be banned even if it is on the PTS.

To me, an exploit is an exploit and if you're doing it on the PTS it is no different than on Live. People play on the PTS to enjoy the game and to test the content, when you know something is broken and you continue to use it you're exploiting.

Red Bull Gives You Wings, is a type of player that knows exactly how much each ability is hitting for using addons like Combat Analytic or FTC. So he knows it's a broken ability. Should he continue to use the ability on the PTS knowing this, should he or anyone else that uses it be banned / suspended for exploiting?

You're correct - an exploit is an exploit regardless of which server you're on. The purpose of the PTS is just that - to test content. If you find an exploit or broken feature, we expect you to report it and not abuse it, or prevent others from testing.

We'll take care of this.

Since this bug will persist throughout the week I can give absolutely no feedback on combat balance this patch except that people are one shotting people. Nothing else will be credible from anyone this week. Seems like a waste of precious time, time that is probably quickly running out before you release 1.6. A hot fix is nessessary if you want any meaningful information for 1.6.2, just saying.

Annnd THAT'S why I stopped testing. I've got better things to do with my time than look at crap that was a band aid at BEST with no quality control....

McDoogs · February 2015

People are still running around one shotting. Good game, ZOS. Good game, pts players. I'm not sure I see the point of even loading cyrodiil if you are just going to abuse that bug unless you are just griefing. It just sucks because NA players get shafted with this broken ass build.

Iselin · February 2015

Quick question... is this a Cyrodiil-only bug?

Iyas · February 2015

Nope, you can exploit it everywhere.

Look at the Trial Leaderboards. Only Solo / Duo Top Player

OtarTheMad · February 2015

Brandalf wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just a quick update: we were able to figure out what's causing this (short answer: it's complicated) and will make sure it's fixed in our next PTS patch. It's quite unlikely this will be hotfixed. It's not because it isn't a big deal - it definitely is - but the process to hotfix an issue on the PTS is quite different than the Live megaservers. That said, we're currently planning on having another PTS patch next week.

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌

Will this next patch make it so that Guards can finally and justifiably be killed, instead of having them be gods compared to all players?

Guards in towns should be basically unkillable... imagine how insane the Justice System and towns/cities would get if you could just kill the guards and get away with everything... that sucks.

Simple, spawn more guards. Multiple players attacking a guard? Send a few more guards after them. They should remain very powerful but invincible is extremely lame and the potential issues it prevents can be taken care of in other ways that are more immersive and much less lazy/lame.

I disagree, more spawns will cause more unneeded chaos in cities and towns. Players already live in Rawl'ka in Reaper's March for AD side. I can't even imagine if they got even more bored and got a group together and just ran around the city killing all npcs and guards just for giggles... because they can and Thornblade is locked and they are probably waiting for the que to pop. No... very ugly and extremely annoying for those trying to quest, craft and sell in the area. Guards shouldn't be killable and if ZOS ever makes them easier to kill then I'm out... I don't need to be going through a town trying to sell crap with bored players or groups just killing everything because they can.