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Bows in Cyrodiil->Overkill?
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wear full heavy and impenetrable on all pieces. Problem solved.Decibel Rage Harbinger of Death3 -
Cody✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Bows are not an overkill in Cyrodiil. Heck if the player has Impren Armor or is using Reflective Scales Bow attacks are useless. I know for a fact since I use a Bow.
As a sorc with 5 pieces of armor with impen on them, I can tell you bows kill me all the time. In a range exchange battle between a spell casting sorc and a nb with a bow the sorc loses most of the time
as you should......2 -
MrGhosty✭✭✭✭✭I don't know if it's just my build, or I've not come up against this but aside from the broken heal debuff I die from this about as much as I die from all other class and weapon abilities in PvP. It's actually refreshing to see bow attacks on my kill screen. Makes a nice change from the fotm skills in either DK or Sorc/staff flavors.
Additionally I use bow, and by now most people have evolved to counter it so you can only really hammer those who don't PvP as much, up against experienced PvPers it all seems to come out the wash. This is just what I've seen though, I'm not blindly defending my "OP weapon" or any of that rubbish."It is a time of strife and unrest. Armies of revenants and dark spirits manifest in every corner of Tamriel. Winters grow colder and crops fail. Mystics are plagued by nightmares and portents of doom."0 -
naturn✭✭✭
His argument was that a sorc wearing impen was enough to take out a NB. Clearly you agree with me. The sorc loses in this situation in this game. As to "as it should" in most games there is a trade off for sorcs/mages wearing light armor and that is normally the sorc has high dps. In this game sorcs have light armor and the lowest dps in the game. There is something wrong with that.Bows are not an overkill in Cyrodiil. Heck if the player has Impren Armor or is using Reflective Scales Bow attacks are useless. I know for a fact since I use a Bow.
As a sorc with 5 pieces of armor with impen on them, I can tell you bows kill me all the time. In a range exchange battle between a spell casting sorc and a nb with a bow the sorc loses most of the time
as you should......
Edited by naturn on 23 November 2014 16:490 -
Spangla✭✭✭✭
His argument was that a sorc wearing impen was enough to take out a NB. Clearly you agree with me. The sorc loses in this situation in this game. As to "as it should" in most games there is a trade off for sorcs/mages wearing light armor and that is normally the sorc has high dps. In this game sorcs have light armor and the lowest dps in the game. There is something wrong with that.Bows are not an overkill in Cyrodiil. Heck if the player has Impren Armor or is using Reflective Scales Bow attacks are useless. I know for a fact since I use a Bow.
As a sorc with 5 pieces of armor with impen on them, I can tell you bows kill me all the time. In a range exchange battle between a spell casting sorc and a nb with a bow the sorc loses most of the time
as you should......
Yes but sorc has:
ridiculous shields
ridiculous mana regen
ridiculous escape mechanic
What more do u want?
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✭✭✭✭✭I think if they fix the debuff stacking from multiple snipes, it would go a long way toward correctly any issues with snipe. I'd hold off anything else until seeing how that effects things. Then, if still a bit imbalanced, I'd add .1 or .2 to the cast time.
I wouldn't change it too drastically. People seem to have a problem when another build comes along that keeps them from doing ruling the field. Every class and weapon style has some pretty deadly stuff about them if built and played right. And many people that get killed easily can do things to make themselves more defensive if they give up a bit of offense, though they don't always want to do that. Frankly, if you are running around in a robe and not using class skills to protect yourself, physical attacks should tear you up pretty good.-- @xaraan --
nightblade: Xaraan • templar: Xaraan-dar • dragon-knight: Xaraanosaurus • necromancer: Xaraan-qa • warden: Xaraanodon • sorcerer: Xaraan-ra
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naturn✭✭✭Yes but sorc has:
ridiculous shields
ridiculous mana regen
ridiculous escape mechanic
What more do u want?
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Perhaps you should read my post again. I am not criticizing NightBlades. I assume you must play a NightBlade. When you say a sorc just needs to simply wear impenetrable armor to beat a NightBlade in a range fight, I think that is an over simplification of what is needed. Surely wearing impenetrable armor is not enough. But I should respond to your comment.
Ridiculous shields compared to what, a DK? a Templer? Each class has shields and other ways to mitigate or avoid damage.
Ridiculous mana regen? Really? NightBlades don't have ridiculous stam regen then? Templers don't have amazing healing (They need mana for healing don't they?)? DKs don't have amazing dps, reflecting, and plenty of other advantages?
Ridiculous escape mechanic? So you feel we should take streak or bolt escape away from sorcs? Does that mean NBs have ridiculous evasion, rolling to evade, stealth advantages and other advantages? Perhaps you feel DKs have ridiculous skills that allow them to reflect range attacks and many other "ridicuous" advantages? Perhaps you feel it ridiculous that templers can heal well enough to last through heavy attacks. I think each class needs some form of escape or way to deal with incoming damage.0 -
Thechemicals✭✭✭✭✭dancing.in.the.webeb17_ESO wrote: »It's easy while you are in a distance, when you are charged bow is useless. Bow user can do nothing to tanky builds. But if you use light armor and duel with bow user from distance that means that you are doing whrong and silly things but not that bow is OP. Bows are good only for glass cannons (encluding another bow users) kill.
Yes, snipe spam monkeys are *** in close combat, but skilled players are equally danger in ranged and close combat. Sorc and NB bow users can easily escape, for DK and temlar close combat shouldn't be problem.
Tanky builds are though for close combat too not just for snipe spammers!
Lack of player skills in close combat always is an argument that snipe isn't op
I think the argument is more that the bow automatically loses 12% of its damage outright when fighting in close combat, and that every single skill outside of Magnum Shot is pretty much worthless when somebody is on top of you.
But yes, bow users can certainly build to mitigate this by using another weapon and class / guild skills. That's why we have 2 weapon slots, no?
Bombard. It's an immobilize. As in the hated Talons soft CC? Encase uses it too. But this thing has a range of 20. You don't have to be a good player, just morph yo dang weapon skills and do what DKs do, throw the immobilize.
The way to beat a DK is immobilize them when they try to extend and keep them pinned there, keeps them from getting close enough for their heal to work, that is assuming your peeps are running focused aim instead of lethal arrow. Which I wonder if that debuff stacks too?
Bombard is the only AoE immobilize in the game that can be blocked and thus completely negated. It's absolutely nothing like Talons or Encase.
There is absolutely no way you are going to kill a DK by spamming Bombard, it's very expensive, low damage, and the utility is countered 100% by blocking.
You haven't used this in PvP, I take it.
And its 20 meters.....all charges are 22 meters.Vr14 Templar since release- dual resto
Vr14 Dk bow/2h
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Pyatra✭✭✭Was in a 60 man keep siege (20/40) over the weekend. 1 dude had a staff, everyone else was snipe spam. This is not an exaggeration.0
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✭✭Bow have poison damage. If you hit a werewolf player with this, It will do damage ofc.PC, EU server, Ebonheart Pact
Finally a reason not to play League of Legends0 -
WhiskyBob✭✭✭✭✭And again there goes a question what the game should be balanced around.
Nerf snipe further for pvp and it completely kills any bow builds for pve.0
Cloak has never worked properly 
