[Lore Question] So, how -exactly- does a Vampire Templar work?

dodgehopper_ESO

Templar seems to me that it could represent a great number of concepts. Master restoration mage, fire and light mage, stendar vigilant, auri el abbot, etc. It seems to me that a lot of concepts could work. Might it be scary for a vampire to fling fire and light around? Probably. Then again if one is already an accomplished Master of the restoration school, why not? By the by i have no intent going vampire with my templar.

Gaudrath

I don't think we could interpret templars as fire mages. They hardly use any fire spells at all - sun magic is not it (you could say that lore supports the interpretation of fire as an inferior form of the element of light, as Ayleids did, but it still doesn't look like straight up destruction magic to me). Also the very word templar suggests a faith oriented class - as I mentioned, more akin to warrior priests than mages.

And finally, in a world which allows for vampirism to be cured, one would have to be very clever with their character background to explain why a templar would allow themselves to remain infected and succumb to vampirism in the first place.

Allyah

Gaudrath wrote: »

And finally, in a world which allows for vampirism to be cured, one would have to be very clever with their character background to explain why a templar would allow themselves to remain infected and succumb to vampirism in the first place.

I dunno. Couldn't you just believe vampirism is corrupt enough to make even the person with the strongest belief in something to succumb?

Gaudrath

Allyah wrote: »

Gaudrath wrote: »

And finally, in a world which allows for vampirism to be cured, one would have to be very clever with their character background to explain why a templar would allow themselves to remain infected and succumb to vampirism in the first place.

I dunno. Couldn't you just believe vampirism is corrupt enough to make even the person with the strongest belief in something to succumb?

I suppose you could, you could even reason that your vampire is still a just and merciful person (for example hunting other vampires or feeding only on the wicked), but as I said, you'd have to be clever with it. I don't see a templar who got thoroughly corrupted by vampirism using light magic. It just wouldn't be in their nature.

So a sort of a "Blade" character, perhaps. A straight-up evil vampire-templar, no.

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caeliusstarbreaker

The simple write up for my Templar vampire, is much akin to why he is a dark elf who fights for the dominion. In the current state of tamriel, he believes that if the ebon heart pact were to assume control, they would most immediately fall into discord since their factions are so steeped in warfare with each other that, for the sake of his people, seeks out the more stable option in fighting for the dominion to ultimately unite all elves and men, cats and lizards included. There are plenty of quests through out the game which show case all races going to extreme measures for the perceived "greater good."

He also heads up the "Forsaken Mora," which (is my guild) which in its simplest form is like the French foreign legion, taking in outcasts and fighting under a flag.

There is a quest line, I believe for the ebonheart pact where you help a vampire kill his father, (if you choose to align with the son) because his father is an extremist vampire. My Templar follows a similar pattern, in an "it's his cross to bear" mentality, and regardless of his curse is not the vile creature he is perceived to be.

As stated above, about the origin of the magick, it really just allows for the players interpretation of their characters mind set... Also Templars are quite able healers, which would aid in numbing the "pain" that they, if we are stating that their magic would indeed cause them some duress. Provided your beliefs and intentions are pure, I'm sure The Lord of mercy would still have a place for you.

AlexDougherty

While you can have good vampires the nature of the Templars powers should destroy them, it's channelling pure magic true, but that pure magic is devastating to undead.

Now while vampirism is technically a disease, it acts like a state of undeath, meaning those pure magics should damage the Vamp using them.

The best concept I can come up with is that the Vampire Templar isn't channelling the same magic, he corrupts it subtlely, causing it not to harm him. Now obviously it still damages any other vampires he uses it on, but perhaps not as thoroughly as a normal Templar.

Blonde_Ambition93

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Welcome , to where lore meets MMO balance hehe :P.

And yup , i play a templar vampire.

Hail_Sithis wrote: »

Criselli wrote: »

While the Templar's do have a skill called "Vampire's Bane" that doesn't mean they couldn't be a vampire.

I appreciate the response, but that is not what I am referring to. Unless I am wrong, the templar's powers are derived from the sun, Correct?

If such is the case, would channeling these powers not cause immense harm to the vampire if he/she attempted to utilize it?

No it would not.

ESO follow the skyrim vampire line , where the sunlight is a ... bother , not something that harms the vampire at all.

ESO and skyrim (the high vampires) , are daylight walkers.

No it doesn't... the vampires on ESO are the direct descendants of Mother Lamae, she is not afflicted with Sanguinare Vampiris, she is the purest of her line & the oldest of all vampires, afflicting her children with Noxiphilic Sanguivoria... this strain of vampirism was the first in Tamrielic history... it's carriers do not even weaken in the daylight, instead they become strengthened during the night...

The vampires of Skyrim are still descendants of her bloodline non the less, but are more "muddied" compared to the mother...

Lord Harkon & Lamae Beolfag have different forms of vampirism, and Lord Harkon & his kind are the only vampires in skyrim that are directly connected to him (he expresses his dislikes of "lesser vampires")

It's a huge muck-up on Bethesda's part giving the vampire lords the same strain of vampirism in Skyrim as the regular vampires found in caves, after-all Lamae has been quoted many times throughout the series within the book "Opusculus Lamae Bal" as being the first vampire, whom all vampires stem from.

Oh and Lord Harkon & his family were NOT the first vampire lords, there is a scroll in ESO that details an attack on a Fort in High Rock early within the first era by grey skinned "bat men", probably a century or so after the turning of Lamae.... This entire coven of "bat men" were wiped out by the villagers.. which leads me to believe that they were not Harkon & his family... the fact that it took place in High Rock also helps to quell that possibility.

I have tried to find this scroll/book online, but to no avail.. if anyone finds/remembers or knows the name of it I'd be grateful.

It is more likely that Harkon & his family were turned later on in the first era...

Read the following page, there is a member with the username "At'Ria" who comments toward the bottom of the page who has basically figured out the REAL age of Lord Harkon. It's really fascinating stuff if you're interested in learning

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:552592

Panda244

It's entirely plausible, but it would probably cause excruciating pain to the vampire if he/she ever decided to use basically any ability in Dawn's Wrath tree. The rest of the magic is fine, it's just magic, not powered by the sun or anything, but Dawn's Wrath is all about sunlight and pretty colors. It wouldn't kill the vampire seeing as how they can handle a certain degree of pain that would knock out a human or send them into shock, think of it like this.

Vampire Templar uses Nova for ten seconds.
Human jumps into a pool of boiling water for ten seconds.

It'd also be insightful to note that the vampires in Elder Scrolls Online are not the vampires in Skyrim, you, as the player, come from the bloodline of Lamae, which, can be presumed has added benefits that regular vampires, such as the ones in Skyrim that you can contract the disease from, don't get.

That's my two cents on it anyway.

Cody

So I'm not the only one who noticed this.

I have wondered that myself. "Templar vampire" is an oxymoron in my opinion. Templars are supposed to DESTROY the undead, not join them. Bring balance to life!