We need a Auction house

Jeremy

Demli wrote: »

@Jeremy Is there some data somewhere that shows people who like the current system are the minority? What makes you believe you are not the minority? Also, no one says you have to trade or use the guild store. Gold isn't that important in this game from what I can tell.

Also please note this is an MMO (Massively Multiplayer Online). I never understand people that sign up for an MMO, but want no interaction with other players. Join a guild, work with others to freely trade items and services. You don't need a lot of gold.

I said I would wager that they were the minority Demli.

And my complaints with the current system aren't really currency-related. It has more to do with the lack of available goods I need to fully utilize my crafting. Because the weak economy encourages player to hoard all of their rarer materials instead of meeting the market's demand. This is also why you think gold isn't that important. Because the market sucks, and there isn't much out there of worth to buy.

And please don't assume people who are unhappy with this game's economy have not joined guilds or are afraid to interact with people. I have joined many guild stores. And I have yet to find a single one that has sold me a single diamond or dwarf oil. I think I saw a honing stone up.... once.

Do you have any diamonds, honing stones, or dwarf oil you want to trade me? I will interact with you all you wish. I'll even give you an in-game kiss and hug if you like, and will be as social as you want.

Demli

I have quite a few of said items, but you're right, I'm saving them for level 50 crafting. Are you using these items to craft as you level? I don't consider traits to be all too important until cap, so I've been using mostly quest/drop gear. Do you decon all gear drops that you pick up? I get a *** ton of gems and upgrade items this way, and save them all. I put points into Metal Extraction which increases the chance of recovering those items from decon.

For the items that I do craft, I always make sure to use enough upgrade items to have 100% chance (Temper Expertise helps with this), and I don't go beyond Green (just not worth it until 50 IMO). Then when I outgrow the item I decon, and usually get the trait gem back.

I do post lower level craft materials that I outgrow and can't afford to use bank space for. But since the gems and upgrade items work at all levels, they warrant me using bank space. Once I get myself taken care of at 50, I'm sure I'd be more willing to part with some of these items or craft gear for people, as I also assume gems will be easier to obtain when raiding and deconing drops. I think with time as more people reach cap, the market for upgrade items and trait gems will improve.

Just a side thought, there are some dungeons at lower levels that drop a bunch of gear from humanoid mobs. One that I know of off the top of my head is Obsidian Scar in Rivenspire. Kill 'n' loot until your bag is full. Then decon items in town. Also find someone to trade light/medium drops for heavy drops, this will double your items to decon. You may not gain craft experience this way, but gems and upgrade items work at all levels.

Drachenfier

Terroni wrote: »

I think the proponents of the guild bank like that they can limit access to information. Do you know the actual value of something you are selling? Low level zones sell common motifs for 1-2k. Get to a level 40 zone and people aren't selling them or they are going for 450g. Same can be said for other items. Lvl 18 blue going for 1k, level 20 blue going for 400...etc. Limiting the information a player has to base a decision on value only benefits the people that seek to profit. This creates a one sided system.

This is absolutely, 100% correct. It's obvious a lot of the anti - auction house crusaders are looking to reap these benefits just by the comments they've made about devaluation.

Sergeant_Novak

I don't know how I feel about this. I understand the convenience, but after a while of knowing about the game not having a global auction house, I sort of came around to the idea. I thought in some ways it would slow worth degeneration of items and usher in an economy that didn't seem to become a buyers market quickly. And with the game only being on two mega servers, a global auction house could make those problems a lot worse.

If it's really what the people want and having a lack there of global like auction house makes ZoS lose money, then I suppose they'd have no choice. I'd urge them to tread carefully though, we all don't want an economical disaster on our laps.

Supersomething

Drachenfier wrote: »

Terroni wrote: »

I think the proponents of the guild bank like that they can limit access to information. Do you know the actual value of something you are selling? Low level zones sell common motifs for 1-2k. Get to a level 40 zone and people aren't selling them or they are going for 450g. Same can be said for other items. Lvl 18 blue going for 1k, level 20 blue going for 400...etc. Limiting the information a player has to base a decision on value only benefits the people that seek to profit. This creates a one sided system.

This is absolutely, 100% correct. It's obvious a lot of the anti - auction house crusaders are looking to reap these benefits just by the comments they've made about devaluation.

In addition to these players stating that we now have more, "lucrative markets," due to a smaller customer base, they would bash a Global AH because of players, playing the Auction House.

I've said it before, this system did virtually nothing to change the negative consequences of an AH, but it did a fantastic job of making the economy as a whole have less functionality.

Alephen

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

No. You just want to wreck the game economy by allowing gold sellers to hyper inflate the market.

yes, it is thanks to the guild bank system that we dont have any gold selling in this game.

derek.steven.campbell.jobsub17_ESO

Alephen wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

No. You just want to wreck the game economy by allowing gold sellers to hyper inflate the market.

yes, it is thanks to the guild bank system that we dont have any gold selling in this game.

Sorry buddy your bluntly wrong. I get in game mail for gold sellers every day , I see it in chat everyday and as of a week ago now I also get gold seller guild invites.... the little gold selling monsters are still there. Every time I spend more then 5 mins in a populated city I get a invite to www.goldsellingarsehats.com etc. Every time I report it. Think the player base probably does more to combat sellers then the folks at ESO rofl

Brennan

Again, virtually every other MMO has a global AH of one kind or another. I think it's okay that there is one that doesn't.

I would also ask that people stop trying to speculate on the motivations of people in this discussion. If you'd like to know my motivation for opposing the AH I will be very frank about it.

It's different. I like different.

In addition, it has been widely publicized that this game would not have a global auction house. Why anyone would purchase a game that they know doesn't have an auction house and then complain about the absence of an auction house just baffles me. I don't get it. Did you pay your $60-$80 for the right to complain about the game not having an auction house?

SCSA

Starting to support this. Also we need to be able to name our legendaries. But that's another topic.

Alephen

derek.steven.campbell.jobsub17_ESO wrote: »

Alephen wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

No. You just want to wreck the game economy by allowing gold sellers to hyper inflate the market.

yes, it is thanks to the guild bank system that we dont have any gold selling in this game.

Sorry buddy your bluntly wrong. I get in game mail for gold sellers every day , I see it in chat everyday and as of a week ago now I also get gold seller guild invites.... the little gold selling monsters are still there. Every time I spend more then 5 mins in a populated city I get a invite to www.goldsellingarsehats.com etc. Every time I report it. Think the player base probably does more to combat sellers then the folks at ESO rofl

i really am suprised my sarcasm wasnt noticed.

Brennan

Gold sellers are not benefiting from the Guild Store system. They would not benefit more or less from an Auction House system. They benefit from players buying gold. Any discussion about gold sellers in this debate is moot. They're going to be there regardless of which system is utilized.

There is no Auction House in ESO. There are Auction Houses in every other MMO. I think it's okay that there is one MMO that doesn't have an Auction House.

Brennan

Brennan wrote: »

Thunder wrote: »

Brennan wrote: »

What set bonus do you need? I can likely make the armor you're looking for. I don't need a hug and as you can see we don't need an AH either.

Can you craft me up a Cowl of the Warlock and Signet of the Warlock? Oh that's right, no you can, it's a dropped set.

As I said, if you want to live in a small little walled off community, an AH certainly wouldn't change that. However, it would certainly make life easier for the rest of us who would like to acquire a very specific and obscure item.

I think the "NO AH!" people don't want an AH because although there would be nothing forcing them to use it, they know that the existence of an AH would mean the end of their random invite trading guilds. How a random invite trading guild is less random than trading with random people on an AH is beyond me.

I'm sorry you're having a bad experience with the economy in this game. I know that has to be frustrating. I will certainly keep an eye out for the items you're looking for though if that is what you really need maybe just come out and say it instead of asking for L22 set armor in the Orcish style. That really seems counter-productive.

I can't speak for everyone that is anti-AH, but I can tell you that the reason I like the way it's being done here is because it's different. Virtually every other MMO has an Auction House. I think it's okay if there is one that doesn't. It was widely publicized that this game would not have an auction house. How you rationalize purchasing a game that you know does not have an auction house and then complaining about the absence of an auction house just baffles me.

Thunder, I've got your Cowl of the Warlock. Message me if you are still interested in buying it.

Rayveni

I have to agree with wanting an Auction House. I've tried the Guild Stores (with the add on) and quite frankly, it's a mess. I have had to join three different guild stores in an attempt to buy what I want. Friends make sure to join other guilds that have stores so we're spread out and can network among each other.

While an Auction House wouldn't solve everything, it would certainly solve the issue of not being able to find things within that network. Right now none of my friends stores or my own have any Rera runes or Copper. This is the one game where I would like to focus a lot of my attention on crafting end-game, but this is extremely hard to do so when you can't find anything!

PvE/PvP Guild, Social Guild, RP Guild.. Crafting Guild and Store Guild. See my point? There are lots of people out there who do different things and don't just sit in one guild while the rest are stores.

Jeremy

Demli wrote: »

I have quite a few of said items, but you're right, I'm saving them for level 50 crafting. Are you using these items to craft as you level? I don't consider traits to be all too important until cap, so I've been using mostly quest/drop gear. Do you decon all gear drops that you pick up? I get a *** ton of gems and upgrade items this way, and save them all. I put points into Metal Extraction which increases the chance of recovering those items from decon.

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I use the items I find to craft as I level (I just hit level 18). That's how I enjoy playing, and hate to wait till the endgame before I start optimizing my character and fully utilize my crafts.

I deconstruct everything I find. I have a point into Extraction. Sadly I don't get a *** ton, though I wish I did.

At my level 16 upgrade I was only able to amass enough oils to craft one blue item for myself. I did manage to make myself quite a few greens, but I had to gamble big time with my stones to do so. And I was unable to trait them as I wanted because diamonds seem to hate me. I have only found 3 of them in total since I started playing the game. Never seen a single one up for sale. Any where.

Would be enjoying the game a lot more if their was an auction house or some form of public market system that gave me access to the materials I need. Maybe I should take a break and wait till everyone else hits level 50. Then I might could find the materials I need for sale somewhere.

Jeremy

Brennan wrote: »

Again, virtually every other MMO has a global AH of one kind or another. I think it's okay that there is one that doesn't.

I would also ask that people stop trying to speculate on the motivations of people in this discussion. If you'd like to know my motivation for opposing the AH I will be very frank about it.

It's different. I like different.

In addition, it has been widely publicized that this game would not have a global auction house. Why anyone would purchase a game that they know doesn't have an auction house and then complain about the absence of an auction house just baffles me. I don't get it. Did you pay your $60-$80 for the right to complain about the game not having an auction house?

It's not that fact that it's different that bothers me Brennan. It's the fact I can't never find what I need for sale in them.

And I would counter that because I paid 80 bucks for the game that gives me a right to complain ^^ I was willing to give Guild Stores a chance. But it's just not working out and I would like to see some improvements.

Brennan

Jeremy wrote: »

Brennan wrote: »

Again, virtually every other MMO has a global AH of one kind or another. I think it's okay that there is one that doesn't.

I would also ask that people stop trying to speculate on the motivations of people in this discussion. If you'd like to know my motivation for opposing the AH I will be very frank about it.

It's different. I like different.

In addition, it has been widely publicized that this game would not have a global auction house. Why anyone would purchase a game that they know doesn't have an auction house and then complain about the absence of an auction house just baffles me. I don't get it. Did you pay your $60-$80 for the right to complain about the game not having an auction house?

It's not that fact that it's different that bothers me Brennan. It's the fact I can't never find what I need for sale in them.

And I would counter that because I paid 80 bucks for the game that gives me a right to complain ^^ I was willing to give Guild Stores a chance. But it's just not working out and I would like to see some improvements.

So would I Jeremy. I would like to see a real search function and more intuitive categories. As you know, I love that they did this differently, but they really *** the dog on the implementation. I suspect that if using the stores were not such a chore people would be more likely to embrace the difference or at least tolerate it to the point where it wasn't such an impassioned issue.

I think those kind of changes are easy to make without upsetting the original vision.

LastLaugh

Drachenfier wrote: »

Terroni wrote: »

I think the proponents of the guild bank like that they can limit access to information. Do you know the actual value of something you are selling? Low level zones sell common motifs for 1-2k. Get to a level 40 zone and people aren't selling them or they are going for 450g. Same can be said for other items. Lvl 18 blue going for 1k, level 20 blue going for 400...etc. Limiting the information a player has to base a decision on value only benefits the people that seek to profit. This creates a one sided system.

This is absolutely, 100% correct. It's obvious a lot of the anti - auction house crusaders are looking to reap these benefits just by the comments they've made about devaluation.

Agree completely. The current system is probably great for gold sellers, too.

vaxure

no auction houses! My 2 gold

Guldendraak

Is it true that when you sell an item on the Guild AH, that the guild gets a cut of the transaction? If this is true, I can see why many people who have created guilds would be against any AH where they don't get their "cut" for doing nothing.

And if this is indeed true, it probably explains why I keep getting guild invites to "trading guilds" each day that have similar names as the gold seller websites we see spammed each day. As a by product, having trading guilds run by gold farmers just means that we, the players, are actually contributing to the money making efforts of the gold sellers.

Also, for those who are just repeating the argument that an AH benefits gold sellers - Does anyone have a link to any article that supports this?? I did a quick search myself and wasn't able to find one.
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Edit: just for the record, I'm not inclined either way atm.. still exploring the possibilities of the trading guilds.

LastLaugh

Guldendraak wrote: »

Is it true that when you sell an item on the Guild AH, that the guild gets a cut of the transaction? If this is true, I can see why many people who have created guilds would be against any AH where they don't get their "cut" for doing nothing.

Good point. I was struggling to understand why some people were so vehemently against an AH but I think you've hit the nail on the head.

IvorySamoan

derek.steven.campbell.jobsub17_ESO wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

derek.steven.campbell.jobsub17_ESO wrote: »

We need an auction house for selling our wares. Guild store was clearly not a well thought out idea fellas. Many players chose not to belong to guilds, it is hard to find a guild of like minded individuals when your an older player. Your player base has a lot of immature players of which I have no desire to communicate with, but I would like to be able to sell them my wares..... you have left no avenue for sales for a player who just wants to contribute to the game and enjoy it without GUILD affiliations. Oh my bad you can be an ignorant clod and spam the chat channel with "WTS my stuff ...." making it even harder to get your message accross due to the limitless gold spammers you have yet to get under control. Please give us a non guild based auction system.

No. You just want to wreck the game economy by allowing gold sellers to hyper inflate the market.

The economy is already wrecked. These guild stores are doing more damage to this game's economy that gold sellers ever could.

Really? How is that pray tell?

Seems to me that you can only sell to your guild mates... that sounds pretty game economy breaking to me. Why the hell would I want my wares only to sell to my guild...? that is freakin *** actually. Clearly they didn't think this part through, remember though this is their first MMO... so you cannot expect them to think like a MMO developer would.

It make trading a more thought out process, I for one - like it as it is.
Guild store trading keeps inflation out.

Brennan

There seems to be a lot of debate on this and I think that's great but, there is also a lot of misinformation.

Gold sellers will thrive in a system with an auction house.

Gold sellers thrive in this guild store system

Gold sellers exist in every MMO I've played. The economic system is not a determining factor in whether there are more or less. The number of players buying gold is the determining factor.

Auction Houses cause inflation

Guild Stores cause inflation

False. An excess of fiat currency causes inflation. The only effect either an Auction House or Guild Store can have on inflation is in the fees that are charged provided these fees are removed from the game and not simply gold exchanging between two players. This is the concept of currency sinks and by reducing the amount of gold in the game through fees like this as well as other currency sinks (i.e. inventory upgrades, repair costs, stable costs}, inflation is made more stable.

Gold sellers keep inviting me to join their guild.

Right click on the notification you received and report the player for spamming a gold selling website via the guild system. The same way you report them in chat. The same way you report them in your mail.

The reason people defend this system is...

The reason people want an Auction House is...

Any discussion of a person's motivation for either supporting or dissenting against the existing system is pure speculation and not helpful to the debate. Instead of making the debate about people's motivations, the debate should be about the existence of the guild store system and the absence of a global auction house.

StuppyJoe

I want an auction house. Preferably within the next few weeks. I feel that the lack of an AH has undermined the social function of guilds and that is even putting aside duping, gold buying and other such stuff that Z apparently isn't interested in combatting until the pressure to do so is overwhelming.

A few weeks back, I thought this game was going to be the best thing ever. Now, I'm pretty much gone unless there is a major change. Complain about me if you will, this is an honest player (or soon to be ex-player) opinion. The lack of an AH is a game killer, I didn't think it would be but it is.

/shrug.

Brennan

StuppyJoe wrote: »

I want an auction house. Preferably within the next few weeks. I feel that the lack of an AH has undermined the social function of guilds and that is even putting aside duping, gold buying and other such stuff that Z apparently isn't interested in combatting until the pressure to do so is overwhelming.

A few weeks back, I thought this game was going to be the best thing ever. Now, I'm pretty much gone unless there is a major change. Complain about me if you will, this is an honest player (or soon to be ex-player) opinion. The lack of an AH is a game killer, I didn't think it would be but it is.

/shrug.

Can I have your stuff?

Theosis

No what this game needs is an in game forum board... Would give us a way to advertise in game without spamming hardcore in chat. Among many other things.

Jeremy

Theosis wrote: »

No what this game needs is an in game forum board... Would give us a way to advertise in game without spamming hardcore in chat. Among many other things.

A lot of us did not buy this game so we could spend hours advertising online. So this won't work.

Not to mention expecting us to participate in some forum to buy/sale/trade on a video game especially one we are paying a subscription to is unreasonable.

They need to just give us a public auction house. They can keep the Guild Stores in place in they want. But they are not sufficient for the economy at large.

alphawolph

I hate spaming chat & guild stores blow. So, I just vendor everything. It would be nice to sell to people that need mats and make a few coin with a AH system.

methjester

I don't understand. We can't have a global auction house because if we do... the gold sellers win? Here I thought I'd buy and sell my extra stuff.

I thought this would bring back the fond memories I had of the East Common tunnels. It does not.

Pyatra

Jeremy wrote: »

Catches_the_Sun wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

It's wrecked because I can never or rarely ever find what I need to buy. And it's such a hassle trying to sell stuff that I just vendor stuff now. So what good is an economy where I can't buy or sell in?

I think you meant to say because you refuse to learn to use the tools available to you. Or that you refuse to socialize in an MMO. The lack of a Global AH is one of the main reasons I tried ESO in the first place. People that are adjusting are socializing with others. What a concept! Socialization in a massively multiplayer game.

People have to communicate, they have to learn the economy, have to be aware of current sell prices...rather than just sorting by lowest price & selling for 1 gold cheaper. People actually know who is making the gear they wear, and god forbid, might even become friends and/or Guildmates. Act like a tool in zone chat & then expect me to buy from you? Not in ESO. Name your toon Waxoff & try to sell me a racial motif...I'll pass.

So basically you expect me to become friends with everyone I buy and sell from while taking the time to learn the current market values of a hundred different guild stores I may or may not have access to.

Well that's not unreasonable at all

A. Or just learn the going rates for the 5 guilds you are actually in.
B. Visit Guild stores in PVP Keeps for even more items.

Drop by "The Ascended" store if you see us on a keep, usually on BloodThorn. We usually have excellent prices and stock varies daily. We aren't a trade guild so we don't usually have artificially inflated prices but with 500 members you never know what you can find.

http://theascended.enjin.com/

IronbarSinister

No we don't.