Please watch your targeting when you Timeout in Twitch

VolrathStormborn · September 10

Here I am happy about the new Companion ability for Keen Eye on Heavy Sacks in world - I post in Chat "Yessss"

....then I'm timed out. LOL Think the one above me was a little more nasty than my misspelled cheer.

LadyGP · September 10

VolrathStormborn wrote: »

Here I am happy about the new Companion ability for Keen Eye on Heavy Sacks in world - I post in Chat "Yessss"

....then I'm timed out. LOL Think the one above me was a little more nasty than my misspelled cheer.

Also got put in timeout for simply saying "Cyro wen?"

ZOS_Lunar · September 10

VolrathStormborn wrote: »

Here I am happy about the new Companion ability for Keen Eye on Heavy Sacks in world - I post in Chat "Yessss"

....then I'm timed out. LOL Think the one above me was a little more nasty than my misspelled cheer.

Hello!

If you post too many repeating letters, that can sometimes trip the Twitch automod due to "spam". We try to remove these timeouts when we see them, but sometimes chat moves pretty fast.

WitchyKiki · September 10

I only posted in regards to the companions that "wont buy them" and got timed out. *shrug*

ApoAlaia · September 10

Only tangentially related...

Resounding YESSSSSSSSSS to Keen Eye for Heavy Sacks

IncultaWolf · September 10

I want the heavy sack (snip)

(edited post)

RaikaNA · September 10

ZOS_Lunar wrote: »

VolrathStormborn wrote: »

Here I am happy about the new Companion ability for Keen Eye on Heavy Sacks in world - I post in Chat "Yessss"

....then I'm timed out. LOL Think the one above me was a little more nasty than my misspelled cheer.

Hello!

If you post too many repeating letters, that can sometimes trip the Twitch automod due to "spam". We try to remove these timeouts when we see them, but sometimes chat moves pretty fast.

Who can I speak to about the wrongful ban in the Twitch chat? I simply said "ZOS don't go that route" after the woman announced the nonbinary companion. I have the right to voice my disapproval of developers pushing their political beliefs on me as a paying customer. I was not name-calling or saying anything inappropriate.

Katzenzunge · September 10

RaikaNA wrote: »

ZOS_Lunar wrote: »

VolrathStormborn wrote: »

Here I am happy about the new Companion ability for Keen Eye on Heavy Sacks in world - I post in Chat "Yessss"

....then I'm timed out. LOL Think the one above me was a little more nasty than my misspelled cheer.

Hello!

If you post too many repeating letters, that can sometimes trip the Twitch automod due to "spam". We try to remove these timeouts when we see them, but sometimes chat moves pretty fast.

Who can I speak to about the wrongful ban in the Twitch chat? I simply said "ZOS don't go that route" after the woman announced the nonbinary companion. I have the right to voice my disapproval of developers pushing their political beliefs on me as a paying customer. I was not name-calling or saying anything inappropriate.

You have the right to voice your dissaproval, and ZOS has the right to disapprove of your disapprovel

Freedom of speech is not freedom of consequences.

(And, really? A person just *being* is political? You'd hate what I could tell you about the raging three banner wars and politics, but I digress)

Silaf · September 10

Had the same timeout for posting some !!!!!

Theist_VII · September 10

They probably want to use a clip from the stream w/ the Companion announcement for promo, because I got timed out too and I was talking about how detrimental MMR is to queue times.

ApoAlaia · September 10

Theist_VII wrote: »

They probably want to use a clip from the stream w/ the Companion announcement for promo, because I got timed out too and I was talking about how detrimental MMR is to queue times.

That could have been the twitch auto mod too.

I have been timed out by it - not on this stream but a friend's - for typing ESO.

The bot objected to 'all caps' and timed me out

Wolfkeks · September 11

All caps or words likes YEEES with too many 'e' in a row can def trigger the auto bot.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · September 11

ZOS_Lunar wrote: »

Hello!

If you post too many repeating letters, that can sometimes trip the Twitch automod due to "spam". We try to remove these timeouts when we see them, but sometimes chat moves pretty fast.

Wow it’s that touchy?

…Pardon me for being glad I missed the last couple streams.

HatchetHaro · September 11

RaikaNA wrote: »

ZOS_Lunar wrote: »

VolrathStormborn wrote: »

Here I am happy about the new Companion ability for Keen Eye on Heavy Sacks in world - I post in Chat "Yessss"

....then I'm timed out. LOL Think the one above me was a little more nasty than my misspelled cheer.

Hello!

If you post too many repeating letters, that can sometimes trip the Twitch automod due to "spam". We try to remove these timeouts when we see them, but sometimes chat moves pretty fast.

Who can I speak to about the wrongful ban in the Twitch chat? I simply said "ZOS don't go that route" after the woman announced the nonbinary companion. I have the right to voice my disapproval of developers pushing their political beliefs on me as a paying customer. I was not name-calling or saying anything inappropriate.

You are free to not acquire the companion.

RaikaNA · September 11

Katzenzunge wrote: »

RaikaNA wrote: »

ZOS_Lunar wrote: »

VolrathStormborn wrote: »

Here I am happy about the new Companion ability for Keen Eye on Heavy Sacks in world - I post in Chat "Yessss"

....then I'm timed out. LOL Think the one above me was a little more nasty than my misspelled cheer.

Hello!

If you post too many repeating letters, that can sometimes trip the Twitch automod due to "spam". We try to remove these timeouts when we see them, but sometimes chat moves pretty fast.

Who can I speak to about the wrongful ban in the Twitch chat? I simply said "ZOS don't go that route" after the woman announced the nonbinary companion. I have the right to voice my disapproval of developers pushing their political beliefs on me as a paying customer. I was not name-calling or saying anything inappropriate.

You have the right to voice your dissaproval, and ZOS has the right to disapprove of your disapprovel

Freedom of speech is not freedom of consequences.

(And, really? A person just *being* is political? You'd hate what I could tell you about the raging three banner wars and politics, but I digress)

You mean "disapproval". I did not violate any of the terms of service... both on Twitch and here. No name-calling and no bashing. Banning someone for expressing their freedom of speech is wrong. If the moderators can't deal with it then they should not be moderators. In the past moderators have even suspended and banned people for using the term "PvP" on the Twitch channel.. and I kid you not. Go check it out for yourself.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/604466/pvp-and-cyrodiil-gets-you-banned-on-twitch/p1

It seems like nothing has changed since then.

Katzenzunge · September 11

Yes, I did indeed mean to type "dissaproval", but made a mistake, and since I did not accurately check each and every word I've been typing a little mistake did happen. Thank you for pointing that out to me, it was indeed very important to take note of that.

I was not talking about anything associated to ToS or some other regulations. I was merely saying that even though you do have the right, or freedom, to voice your opinions, you do not have the right, or freedom, to just have your opinion not be contested.
And if ZOS sees fit to not have that kind of input in that kind of scenario, then maybe that is upsetting to you and makes you feel like you're not being heard, but it's not a restriction on you opinion or your ability to voice that, just a reaction on that opinion.

If I am walking into a restaurant I've eaten at before, and see that the new dessert menu is not to my liking, I absolutely have the freedom to start proclaiming exacty that.
If I'm then being escorted out of the restaurant or the premises, it's still not an attack on my freedom of speech, it's just the consequence of people not caring to hear it right now

Katzenzunge · September 11

(I made another little mistake there, a letter is missing. Hope that's not taking away from the point I've been trying to make too much. I sadly am not aware of any way to correct a post once I've replied)

Kisakee · September 11

Katzenzunge wrote: »

(I made another little mistake there, a letter is missing. Hope that's not taking away from the point I've been trying to make too much. I sadly am not aware of any way to correct a post once I've replied)

After posting just refresh the page and a small edit icon will appear between your text and the time stamp / post number on the right side.

Katzenzunge · September 11

Kisakee wrote: »

Katzenzunge wrote: »

(I made another little mistake there, a letter is missing. Hope that's not taking away from the point I've been trying to make too much. I sadly am not aware of any way to correct a post once I've replied)

After posting just refresh the page and a small edit icon will appear between your text and the time stamp / post number on the right side.

Thank you! Didn't even see that until now.

NoticeMeArkay · September 11

RaikaNA wrote: »

ZOS_Lunar wrote: »

VolrathStormborn wrote: »

Here I am happy about the new Companion ability for Keen Eye on Heavy Sacks in world - I post in Chat "Yessss"

....then I'm timed out. LOL Think the one above me was a little more nasty than my misspelled cheer.

Hello!

If you post too many repeating letters, that can sometimes trip the Twitch automod due to "spam". We try to remove these timeouts when we see them, but sometimes chat moves pretty fast.

Who can I speak to about the wrongful ban in the Twitch chat? I simply said "ZOS don't go that route" after the woman announced the nonbinary companion. I have the right to voice my disapproval of developers pushing their political beliefs on me as a paying customer. I was not name-calling or saying anything inappropriate.

Nobody tell them about Vivec.

xclassgaming · September 11

RaikaNA wrote: »

ZOS_Lunar wrote: »

VolrathStormborn wrote: »

Here I am happy about the new Companion ability for Keen Eye on Heavy Sacks in world - I post in Chat "Yessss"

....then I'm timed out. LOL Think the one above me was a little more nasty than my misspelled cheer.

Hello!

If you post too many repeating letters, that can sometimes trip the Twitch automod due to "spam". We try to remove these timeouts when we see them, but sometimes chat moves pretty fast.

Who can I speak to about the wrongful ban in the Twitch chat? I simply said "ZOS don't go that route" after the woman announced the nonbinary companion. I have the right to voice my disapproval of developers pushing their political beliefs on me as a paying customer. I was not name-calling or saying anything inappropriate.

Non-binary people are NOT political. Non-binary people exist and so do lgbt+ people.

RaikaNA · September 11

xclassgaming wrote: »

RaikaNA wrote: »

ZOS_Lunar wrote: »

VolrathStormborn wrote: »

Here I am happy about the new Companion ability for Keen Eye on Heavy Sacks in world - I post in Chat "Yessss"

....then I'm timed out. LOL Think the one above me was a little more nasty than my misspelled cheer.

Hello!

If you post too many repeating letters, that can sometimes trip the Twitch automod due to "spam". We try to remove these timeouts when we see them, but sometimes chat moves pretty fast.

Who can I speak to about the wrongful ban in the Twitch chat? I simply said "ZOS don't go that route" after the woman announced the nonbinary companion. I have the right to voice my disapproval of developers pushing their political beliefs on me as a paying customer. I was not name-calling or saying anything inappropriate.

Non-binary people are NOT political. Non-binary people exist and so do lgbt+ people.

You have the right to voice your opinions just as I have the right to disagree with them.

ragnarok6644b14_ESO · September 11

RaikaNA wrote: »

xclassgaming wrote: »

RaikaNA wrote: »

ZOS_Lunar wrote: »

VolrathStormborn wrote: »

Here I am happy about the new Companion ability for Keen Eye on Heavy Sacks in world - I post in Chat "Yessss"

....then I'm timed out. LOL Think the one above me was a little more nasty than my misspelled cheer.

Hello!

If you post too many repeating letters, that can sometimes trip the Twitch automod due to "spam". We try to remove these timeouts when we see them, but sometimes chat moves pretty fast.

Who can I speak to about the wrongful ban in the Twitch chat? I simply said "ZOS don't go that route" after the woman announced the nonbinary companion. I have the right to voice my disapproval of developers pushing their political beliefs on me as a paying customer. I was not name-calling or saying anything inappropriate.

Non-binary people are NOT political. Non-binary people exist and so do lgbt+ people.

You have the right to voice your opinions just as I have the right to disagree with them.

Factual truths (i.e. whether or not something exists) are not opinions - if I tell a driver to stop because there's a car in front of them and we're about to die, they are outright WRONG if they say "that's your opinion, man".

Syldras · September 11

ragnarok6644b14_ESO wrote: »

Factual truths (i.e. whether or not something exists) are not opinions

This case doesn't seem to be a question of whether something exists. Everyone can see that people who call themselves nonbinary exist. There's also no doubt their feelings exist.

The debate is about how serious to take the feelings of other individuals and whether these feelings, if contrary to the physical, should be more important than the physical. There, people have different stances - that is causing the whole argument.

What to do about with that situation? I don't know, really.

Just to add: I'm not anti trans. But I see what is causing the debate.

spartaxoxo · September 11

Factually, a person is not politics. A person can engage in politics. But they are not politics.

Everyone would understand the absurdity of saying "I don't believe Americans exist. Why include an American character? Americans are political."

American people have political beliefs. But Americans aren't politics. It is a fact that people who identify as non - binary exist. When they aren't people who's feelings we should consider, but rather concepts like "politics" it makes it easier to justify exclusion.

ragnarok6644b14_ESO · September 11

Syldras wrote: »

ragnarok6644b14_ESO wrote: »

Factual truths (i.e. whether or not something exists) are not opinions

This case doesn't seem to be a question of whether something exists. Everyone can see that people who call themselves nonbinary exist. There's also no doubt their feelings exist.

The debate is about how serious to take the feelings of other individuals and whether these feelings, if contrary to the physical, should be more important than the physical. There, people have different stances - that is causing the whole argument.

What to do about with that situation? I don't know, really.

Just to add: I'm not anti trans. But I see what is causing the debate.

I think they should be taken seriously because there's no reason not to? I mean, judging someone purely on their physical appearance/attributes is taken to be fundamentally an immature and less-developed way of conducting personal interactions...

... so it's not like there's ever a question about which has primacy. This seems like a cop out to me. Of course feelings are more important than the physical. Even the act of *driving* is often taught to begin with "make sure your feelings are stable and don't drive while extremely emotional" (even if people ignore that). People's cognition and people's feelings almost invariably trump their physical attributes, and it ought to be that way.

If it's really a debate between "do I believe someone feels a certain way, even when they show no physical attributes of being that way" and "people are only the way their observable external physical attributes are and feelings don't matter" then... I don't even know what to say.

"I feel pain in my left side."
"no you don't, I can't see it by looking at you."

... rly? Talk about denying reality...

This is a philosophical debate about epistemology and ontology, more than anything - not a political one.

RaikaNA · September 11

ragnarok6644b14_ESO wrote: »

RaikaNA wrote: »

xclassgaming wrote: »

RaikaNA wrote: »

ZOS_Lunar wrote: »

VolrathStormborn wrote: »

Here I am happy about the new Companion ability for Keen Eye on Heavy Sacks in world - I post in Chat "Yessss"

....then I'm timed out. LOL Think the one above me was a little more nasty than my misspelled cheer.

Hello!

If you post too many repeating letters, that can sometimes trip the Twitch automod due to "spam". We try to remove these timeouts when we see them, but sometimes chat moves pretty fast.

Who can I speak to about the wrongful ban in the Twitch chat? I simply said "ZOS don't go that route" after the woman announced the nonbinary companion. I have the right to voice my disapproval of developers pushing their political beliefs on me as a paying customer. I was not name-calling or saying anything inappropriate.

Non-binary people are NOT political. Non-binary people exist and so do lgbt+ people.

You have the right to voice your opinions just as I have the right to disagree with them.

Factual truths (i.e. whether or not something exists) are not opinions - if I tell a driver to stop because there's a car in front of them and we're about to die, they are outright WRONG if they say "that's your opinion, man".

Not a fact but I still respect your opinion, though

Everyone has one.

ragnarok6644b14_ESO · September 11

RaikaNA wrote: »

Not a fact but I still respect your opinion, though Everyone has one.

Whether or not something exists is not a matter of fact, but rather of opinion? Alright then. Playing by your rules, then, I choose to believe this truth is an opinion, and not a fact, and ignore it in favor of knowing you're wrong.

Syldras · September 11

ragnarok6644b14_ESO wrote: »

If it's really a debate between "do I believe someone feels a certain way, even when they show no physical attributes of being that way" and "people are only the way their physical attributes are and feelings don't matter" then... I don't even know what to say.

As I said, I don't think anyone denies that there are people who feel they are between the sexes, both or neither (or another variant that is not "completely male" or "completely female"). But it's also a fact that a person has a physical sex.

I, personally, tend to prioritize the mind over the body, because the mind is the seat of an individual's personality. Also, I know that intersex conditions exist and it's very much possibly that these conditions also extend to neurology - brain structures, which would be a very physical thing in the end. Also, I'm a polite person, so won't intentionally hurt someone by belittling them over their feelings.

But the opinions about this differ, and there are also other factors that play a role. That's the current situation, and the big question is what to make of it.

ragnarok6644b14_ESO wrote: »

This is a philosophical debate about epistemology and ontology, more than anything - not a political one.

It's philosophical in its core, but as soon as it affects reality, societal rules and legislation, it also becomes a political one (not in a video game though - in my opinion, that's an exaggeration to call the creation of an npc political).

ragnarok6644b14_ESO · September 11

Syldras wrote: »

ragnarok6644b14_ESO wrote: »

If it's really a debate between "do I believe someone feels a certain way, even when they show no physical attributes of being that way" and "people are only the way their physical attributes are and feelings don't matter" then... I don't even know what to say.

As I said, I don't think anyone denies that there are people who feel they are between the sexes, both or neither (or another variant that is not "completely male" or "completely female"). But it's also a fact that a person has a physical sex.

I, personally, tend to prioritize the mind over the body, because the mind is the seat of an individual's personality. Also, I know that intersex conditions exist and it's very much possibly that these conditions also extend to neurology - brain structures, which would be a very physical thing in the end. Also, I'm a polite person, so won't intentionally hurt someone by belittling them over their feelings.

But the opinions about this differ, and there are also other factors that play a role. That's the current situation, and the big question is what to make of it.

ragnarok6644b14_ESO wrote: »

This is a philosophical debate about epistemology and ontology, more than anything - not a political one.

It's philosophical in its core, but as soon as it affects reality, societal rules and legislation, it also becomes a political one (not in a video game though - in my opinion, that's exaggeration so call the creation of an npc political).

"But the opinions about this differ, and there are also other factors that play a role. That's the current situation, and the big question is what to make of it."
What you make of it is you explore why the opinions differ - what informs the opinions?

You (and I, and for most things, society) place cognition a pedestal that is at least equal to, if not greater than, physicality. Because for so many activities, cognitive and emotional states are either equally or more important to success.

Why is the physical being prioritized in this case; saying 'it's my opinion, man' is unsatisfactory because it's meaningless... "this person should be worse off because of my opinions" is inherently unpersuasive, and so can rightfully be ignored when factual information (obviously more persuasive) is available. And yet people are surprised and upset when they are ignored? Perhaps it's more than an opinion to them - perhaps they believe it to be fact.

Which wraps right around to "why" - the fundamental epistemological question. Opinion has less than zero weight in an epistemological clash.

ZOS_Kraken · September 11

Greetings,

We've locked this thread to prevent any further spiraling. While we completely understand everyone has their own opinions, thoughts, feelings and even frustrations, we want the forums to be a civil and constructive platform for the game and it's community as a whole.

Thank you for your understanding.