Elemental storm (Destro staff ult) prevents skill use

AtmaDarkwolf

Once you use it, and unless you swap bars to a NON destro staff(IE dual or resto) you cannot use skills and/or attack (IE you can either attack OR use skills, NOT both, IE: no more attack weaving)

Pretty sure its bug, unless its the first step in 'fixing' animation canceling (which i doubt)

DahliaNightshade

Hello, I am experiencing the same issue only on my magicka NB, which is my only character using that ultimate; mine is morphed to Elemental Rage, and I'm using a fire staff.

The behaviour is the same as you described, once I use Elemental Rage, I am no longer able to animation cancel, attack weaving, I can only use either the staff attacks OR the class skills, cannot mix them anymore.

The only thing that seems to fix this, is logging out and then back in.

I did some experiments the last few days to try to understand what was causing that issue, and yesterday evening I've been able to isolate it to the use of this specific ultimate.

I started the game and went into Spindleclutch I as solo player, and as soon as I used Elemental Rage, I stopped being able to attack weave and mix skills with staff attacks.

I logged out, disabled all my addons just to be sure they weren't the culprit, logged back in and started a new run in Spindleclutch I as solo player; same result as before, as soon as I used Elemental Rage, I started experiencing that issue.

I logged out again, enabled all the addons I have, logged back in, started a new solo run in Spindleclutch I and didn't use Elemental Rage throughout the whole dungeon, but it was still on my skill bar: I did NOT experience the problem, everything worked well.

I did one more run in the same dungeon, with a different ultimate and I had no problem at all.

I hope the devs can solve this issue.

Darkheart

I did some testing to see if we can narrow down the problem. So I used the Destruction Ultimate on my Magicka DK. First with the normal Ultimate and then with the Morphed Ultimate Elemental Rage. The Bug did not appear on her.

So maybe we can narrow it down to the Destro staff Ultimate in combination with NB skills. Further testing will need to be done for this.

AtmaDarkwolf

as said in first, with a resto and/or lighting in offbar, and after using ult if i switch to the OTHER type of staff(Another inferno, ice, and dual weapons does not repair issue) and doing even one tiny 'channeled' attack on something, fixes the issue and can weave again.

AtmaDarkwolf

Also yes, I am also NB

DahliaNightshade

I just did some more testing on 2 other characters of mine, a Sorceress and a Dragonknight, both magicka casters (just like the Nightblade I was talking of earlier).

I have been able to reproduce the problem every time I wanted to, by simply firing the Destruction staff ultimate, even unmorphed; as soon as I fire it, my skills become unresponsive, attack weaving or animation canceling no longer work, and of course the dps goes down the drain.

I tested what AtmaDarkwolf said about fixing it: it works, on any of my characters, but it is just a temporary fix, until I use the ultimate again; just equipping a different weapon and bar swapping fixes it, but you have to be out of combat for it to work, of course.

I am no longer using that ultimate because it breaks my game, but I would like the devs to fix it or acknowledge that it needs to be fixed some day.

Some more info:

I am playing on the EU server, I have 740 CP and am an ESO Plus subscriber.

My PC is decent enough that it shouldn't be the problem:

I5 4690k CPU, 16 Gb RAM, SSD hard drive, GTX970 video card and no issues on the router or the network



Goodbye

Minalan

Here's what happened to me:

Hit destro ult
Tried to cast a second ability with an AOE targeting circle.
The circle was way too big and ability would not cast.
Nothing else fired right until I bar swapped.

Sound about right?

DahliaNightshade

Is it possible to have ZOS at least aknowledge this as an issue? @ZOS_GinaBruno

It prevents us from using one of the very latest skills you introduced, and as of now at least 3 of my characters are suffering from the same issue.


Thank you

nordsavage

This bug is effecting every class.

DahliaNightshade

Yes, indeed, I tested it on my Sorceress, Dragonknight and Nightblade, skipped the Templar just because 3 out of 4 classes seemed enough.

altemriel

AtmaDarkwolf wrote: »

Once you use it, and unless you swap bars to a NON destro staff(IE dual or resto) you cannot use skills and/or attack (IE you can either attack OR use skills, NOT both, IE: no more attack weaving)

Pretty sure its bug, unless its the first step in 'fixing' animation canceling (which i doubt)

BUGGED?

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @Wrobel @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_RichLambert

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Happens to me *all the time* on my magicka Sorc. Switching back to Meteor for the time being.

DahliaNightshade

I tested this on my Templar as well, it happens every time I use this ultimate.

Can you guys please look into it? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @Wrobel @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_RichLambert


Thanks

KenCleanAirSystem

So this is the culprit for the double circle, uncastable, skills and problems with attack weaving I've been having on my magicka dk. At least now I know what is causing it.

Now, please fix this.

Preyfar

KenCleanAirSystem wrote: »

So this is the culprit for the double circle, uncastable, skills and problems with attack weaving I've been having on my magicka dk. At least now I know what is causing it.

Now, please fix this.

The only solution I've found to fix the double circle problem (which also prevents you from using grenades during the ICP Flesh Sculptor fight) is to disable quick cast. Quick cast is the only thing I've seen that seems to be related to it.

Izaki

Sorc here. Ruined my vMA run yesterday when I decided to go in there with my trials build and not my Elegance+Overload build. So its not just NB, I think it may all classes. I couldn't weave. Also the destro ultimate bugged out my Liquid Lightning so I had this massive circle, but the skill couldn't be cast at all. Died 3 times in a row, but managed to finish the round. Relogged and used Shooting Star for the rest of the arena and had 0 issues.

Using Elemental Rage, fire staff.

Namarkas

Same here on my Templar. Whenever i try to cast shards (AoE ground targeted) immediately after the destro ulti, the circle gets bigger than usual, wonky, and nothing responds. Weapon swap fixes it normally, or a roll dodge sometimes, but it's definitely bugged.

KenCleanAirSystem

Preyfar wrote: »

KenCleanAirSystem wrote: »

So this is the culprit for the double circle, uncastable, skills and problems with attack weaving I've been having on my magicka dk. At least now I know what is causing it.

Now, please fix this.

The only solution I've found to fix the double circle problem (which also prevents you from using grenades during the ICP Flesh Sculptor fight) is to disable quick cast. Quick cast is the only thing I've seen that seems to be related to it.

I don't use quick cast, so unfortunately that isn't really a solution. In my experience, when it happens some skills still work even though the circle is wacky. Eruption, for example will still cast. Volcanic Rune, however, becomes completely unusable.

Preyfar

KenCleanAirSystem wrote: »

I don't use quick cast, so unfortunately that isn't really a solution. In my experience, when it happens some skills still work even though the circle is wacky. Eruption, for example will still cast. Volcanic Rune, however, becomes completely unusable.

That rules out that theory. One thing I have noted is that this seems to happen even if you haven't used the Ult. Not in my picture my ult is fine, so just having the Destro ult equipped can cause your skills to bug.

DahliaNightshade

Any chance any of you guys @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @Wrobel @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_RichLambert can take a look into this issue some of us are experiencing?

I cannot use that ultimate, and Destruction staff is always my main weapon since I always prefer magicka builds over stamina ones.

I have no idea if it is good or not, because it ALWAYS bugs my other skills, so I don't know if it could be good in any of my characters rotations.

Please, at least let us know something

Uphz

So this is still an issue.. It would be nice to know if they are aware of it.

Darkheart

Would be nice to have some confirmation about this problem.

DahliaNightshade

I tested this on a different PC (a laptop this time) on a different network, but same account, and I could reproduce the bug each and every time I wanted to, on any of my characters, so it is not even related to hardware or drivers or network.

If only we could get someone looking into it, or even just saying that you'll look into it:@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @Wrobel @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_RichLambert



This bug prevents us from using a skill you recently introduced in game



This post is more than one month old and we still didn't get a reply or an acknowledge from anyone in ZOS: even if you don't think this is an issue and it's working as intended, which is not, please tell us.

Slakk

Alright, I know this is still bothering a few people in-game and I think I've better figured out what is happening with this skill and for those out there who really want to use elemental rage since I was trying to figure out why this happened at times to me.

The problem is that using Elemental Rage seems to turn off your animation queuing after you use it. I'm not sure if it affects everyone, but basically as long as you are still using that weapon type the problem seems to persist until you zone or put on a different weapon type.

If you are using two of the same staff element and you weapon swap, it remains like this. If you have a different weapon type (or staff element) and swap- it fixes itself.

If you use two flame staves, it will remain like so. If you use say, a Flame and a Lightning destro- it will fix after a swap.
I'm really not too sure how to describe the feeling of your skill queue messing up like so, and depending on your ping you may not even notice it at all.

I'm not sure if it affects everyone out there, but it does still seem to be in-game and that's what I have noticed will help you until ZoS looks into why this happens. So if you double destro, try using two different elements. Or, Eye of the Storm does not have this issue at all.

DahliaNightshade

Thanks @Slakk, your analysis seems correct, I tried what you suggested and you're right, Eye of the Storm doesn't have the issue.

I usually equip 2 flame staves, so bar swapping cannot fix the problem for me, but I tried using a Destruction staff on bar 1 and a Restoration staff on bar 2 and I could fix the problem that way without relogging.

So, you've been of great help, but I still would like ZOS to acknowledge this a real problem and fix it, because as of now a lot of players cannot use one of the latest skills in game, which is a quite powerful one.

The first post reporting this issue is dated October 12, one month and a half ago, and still not a single reply by anyone: @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @Wrobel @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_RichLambert

Doc Longtooth

It would be helpful if this was at least on the radar for ZOS, I have a magica Sorc using this ultimate and it is really unpredictable.

AtmaDarkwolf

I think lack of any attention on this by zos makes me think this was one (or one of) the first steps they are making to 'break' the animation canceling thing...

except this only fubars fluid, natural combat and NOT the issue with long, powerful skills being shot off with a twitch.

I see most of the big names were tagged and none of them thought to respond (I'm sure they all 'saw' the post, just ignored it)

Uphz

AtmaDarkwolf wrote: »

I think lack of any attention on this by zos makes me think this was one (or one of) the first steps they are making to 'break' the animation canceling thing...

except this only fubars fluid, natural combat and NOT the issue with long, powerful skills being shot off with a twitch.

I see most of the big names were tagged and none of them thought to respond (I'm sure they all 'saw' the post, just ignored it)

I doubt this is intended since the destro ult also prevents placing sieges and besides that, the problem is 'solved' when using 2 different destro staves.. or maybe I just misunderstood your comment.

It is strange though that there hasn't been a response yet.

DahliaNightshade

More issues related to this ultimate:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/307302/unmorphed-destruction-staff-ultimate-bug#reply-anchor

Still no reply from anyone at ZOS and the issue is still happening

VoRaVeLi

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/306719/vma-round-6-bug#latest

It also breaks round 6 of vma.

Darkheart

Was this fixed with the last patch update?