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PTS 7/28/15 - Remove 3600 champ rank templates
Lionxoft
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I think it goes without saying but please remove 3600 champ rank templates swapping them with a couple hundred. This will help allow real testing without superficial buffs and benefits. 3600 CP to test Imperial City is not relevant.
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Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yeah it does make sense... however since the copy will be done today, i doubt they will be able to change the templates(assuming they need a change) before PTS is live.0 -
Cinbri✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭400 points could be enough. But still 3600 needs too, it was the only way to find million damages numbers by cp in previous pts. I doubt anyone wants to play live and being hitted by 2300000 caltrops.1 -
Jeckll✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭you dont have to invest those 3600 CP, you know. Just spend as much as you like.
I like the 3600 CP option to test different kinds of setups for really long term considerations.Jeckll has quit the game. Thanks for the great time.2 -
Syntse✭✭✭✭✭Like said, one doesn't need to use all the points to do testing. However also understand somewhat the need to limit this too as there will be trolls using all that 3600 points and then wrecking people in pvp making their testings impossible. Which happened last time.Syntse Dominion Khajiit Dragonknight Stamina Tank [50]
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Jeckll✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Like said, one doesn't need to use all the points to do testing. However also understand somewhat the need to limit this too as there will be trolls using all that 3600 points and then wrecking people in pvp making their testings impossible. Which happened last time.
hm, then let us have those 3600 CP toons until ZOS allows character copy of our own chars.Jeckll has quit the game. Thanks for the great time.0 -
Leandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Would it not be an alternative to just reset them, redistribute 400, and test with that?
IC will in its lifetime see the 3600 CP (probably by end of this year with the increased mob xp) and it needs to be checked whether all the bosses still pose more than an inconvenience for a gankers...0 -
Jeckll✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Most of my raid group have way more than 400 CP right now. Some have double and 2 of them will likely trible that when IC is released. So I dont see a reason to cap CP at 400. We're way beyond that already.Jeckll has quit the game. Thanks for the great time.1 -
Jeckll✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Most of my raid group have way more than 400 CP right now. Some have double and 2 of them will likely trible that when IC is released. So I dont see a reason to cap CP at 400. We're way beyond that already.
And there's a good reason that the content should be balanced for people who grind to gain a statistical advantage as opposed to people who play the game?
There is a good reason the game should be enjoyable for everyone. Those people grind because the game has nothing left the do atm for them and it's not their fault we didnt get new raid content for almost a year now.
EDIT: Dungeon Daily takes like 10 minutes, HR/AA 15 minues each, SO maybe 20, VDSA 40 minutes. So in 2 hours, the endgame content is done.Edited by Jeckll on 28 July 2015 08:57Jeckll has quit the game. Thanks for the great time.0 -
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Anyway, there's no way content will be balanced for anything over 100-200 CPs anytime soon unless ZOS wants to limit their market to 2-3% of players.. that's the funny(?) part
There were plenty of good ideas for that already mentioned like deactivating CP in (hardmode) trials as well as adding a CP free campaign to Cyrodiil.
They could also work on a scaling based on the total amount of CP a raid has or limit the CP you can spend in a trial but those ideas would be way more difficult to do. Just deactivating CP from competitive play would be the thing I'd like the most. 2%-3% of the players might be pissed, but who cares ;P
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✭✭While I also dont think it will happen, Zos cant say we didnt come up with solid solutions. The outcry of a few (we're talking about like 1%-2% of the players probably that were dedicated enough to grind up) wouldnt be as bad as the whole system is for the game.
Even for competitive players, it sucks. Every accomplishment we'll make will be answered with "easy, you'll have XX CP - no achievement at all"...
In the end, no one wins.Jeckll has quit the game. Thanks for the great time.0 -
eliisra✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why not 3600 CP?
I mean it's perfectly balanced apparently, only a minor boost and no real advantage. Just look at all the sold facts from the lolmathematics on these forums, using trollicientific methods to prove it all with a simple paragraph. Or listen to the CP grinders themselves, they speak the truth, since much personal experience. It's all about skill
I actually think 3600 CP needs to stay on PTS for that very reason. People need to test it out for themselves, instead of blindly swallowing the ***.
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Rinmaethodain✭✭✭✭✭
✭CP were already tested on PTS before.
This time CP are not a subject of test but IC.
As long as there are no changes to CP on PTS then full CP template on PTS have no place to be there.1 -
Leandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Opinions are like a certain anatomic hole on the back side of the body. Everyone has one.
(That quip works much better if you do not have to self-censor it...)
What I mean is that there are two possible sets of opinion. Both are valid. Testing IC with 0 CP is important in order to assess the maximum difficulty of IC itself. Testing it with 3600 CP is important as well, since it is most probably still the freshest content (PvP wise) we have upon reaching the 3.6k in life game.
How about we compromise and have a period of testing without char copies and without CP, a period with NA char copies and max CP templates, and one with EU char copies and max CP templates? Everyone could test everything.
(I still think of molehills and mountains reading this topic...)0 -
Jeckll✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MaximusDargus wrote: »CP were already tested on PTS before.
This time CP are not a subject of test but IC.
As long as there are no changes to CP on PTS then full CP template on PTS have no place to be there.
Well to be fair, people tested and reported several bugs in the CP system like the Mara Rezz bug and the Major Herorism bug WHILE ON PTS and these bugs still made it into the game and got fixed very recently. So it doesnt hurt to have another round of testing those, right?Jeckll has quit the game. Thanks for the great time.0 -
Rinmaethodain✭✭✭✭✭
✭IMO in this patch, the whole idea of character templates is pointless.
If everyone will play with maxed out template then the results of test will be false.
Everyone should only have access to their own character copy.
The test is about IC/Cyrio and changes in game. People should test those changes and see how they affect their own characters at this particular stage of game.
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Lionxoft✭✭✭✭✭
✭MaximusDargus wrote: »IMO in this patch, the whole idea of character templates is pointless.
If everyone will play with maxed out template then the results of test will be false.
Everyone should only have access to their own character copy.
The test is about IC/Cyrio and changes in game. People should test those changes and see how they affect their own characters at this particular stage of game.
Not everyone will have their own character(s) when the transfer is not in their favor.0 -
Lionxoft✭✭✭✭✭
✭Like said, one doesn't need to use all the points to do testing. However also understand somewhat the need to limit this too as there will be trolls using all that 3600 points and then wrecking people in pvp making their testings impossible. Which happened last time.
@Syntse
The last time that significant power was awarded to a single subset of players or single player it was widely abused which hampered actual testing. This was exceptionally noticeable in PvP and it affected people quite a bit. You have to remember that trolls will be trolls. 3600 cp is not a relevant champion rank for the Imperial City and does more harm than good at this point.
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Cuyler✭✭✭✭✭
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Attorneyatlawl✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Like said, one doesn't need to use all the points to do testing. However also understand somewhat the need to limit this too as there will be trolls using all that 3600 points and then wrecking people in pvp making their testings impossible. Which happened last time.you dont have to invest those 3600 CP, you know. Just spend as much as you like.
I like the 3600 CP option to test different kinds of setups for really long term considerations.
Exactly... taking away the option to test... on a test server? That doesn't make much sense. However, capping it to somewhere closer to the top end of what more than a number of players likely ranking in the single-digits has on the live servers, would, so I agree with @Syntse. Anywhere in the range of about 500 champion points would be the right ballpark for the PTS right now.Edited by Attorneyatlawl on 28 July 2015 13:47-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
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✭✭✭✭✭I think Lion's point was that 3600, in terms of how it affects the Live Server, is NOT an option for anyone at this point. Would it be fun to play with 3600 CP? Yes. Does playing with 3600 test anything remotely close to what anyone on the Live Server would be experiencing during play? No.
Public TEST Server is called that for a reason; it's to test for bugs/glitches/exploits before the patch goes to the Live Server.
Test 3600 CP builds when people are getting close to 3600 CP on the Live Server. If everyone runs 3600 builds this patch, no one will get an accurate picture of how things will really work on Live mechanics-wise.
And "assign less points" doesn't work; if a player only assigns 500 points, they're still going to playing IC against everyone else running 3600CP builds, which again paints a wildly inaccurate picture of how the game mechanics work together.ALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.1 -
Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NO.
All 3600 points need to be there so that we can make sure all 3600 points WORK as promised. I don't want to spend the next 5 years of my life grinding, only to find out that some stealth nerf changed the underlying math of the Champion System.
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✭✭✭✭✭But the point is, you're not going to get to 3600 for, like you said, 5 years.
Yes someone can and will grind them out in less time. But at the moment, no one's even halfway to 3600; why not spend time testing the content with 1800 CP max? Everyone and their mom will be in IC because that's the new update; o you really think by the time anyone's anywhere near 3600 CP that IC will still be the gaming area of choice for players?
Test IC with builds that it's plausible to play IC with, ie. less than 3600 CP.
Test later updates with builds that it's plausible to play those areas with, ie. more CP than right now.
The point of the Public TEST Server is to *test* and *bughunt* things that are about to go live; that's why "test" is in the name. If the point were to just run around with the glorious overpoweredness that 3600 CP provides, they'd have a Public Sandbox Server. The point of the PTS is not to just play; the point is to specifically test almost-live things.ALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.0 -
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✭The max CP templates have should be 400 or around there, so people can test 125 point passives.~Thallen~0
