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Major Bug: Nirnhoned Weapons Allow You To Ignore 100% Of Enemy Spell Resist

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sabresandiego_ESO
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This bug has been in the game since release for 2h weapons with the sharpened trait, and now this same bug is on nirnhoned weapons. It makes spell resistance completely worthless, and allows massive 20k crystal frags and more. This should be patched and fixed immediately.
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  • pppontus
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    Yes. Please get this fixed. If this stays as long as the sharpened bug it's going to ruin pvp again..
  • C0pp3rhead
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    Monday's gonna be great. Sheogorath is finally gonna get a chance to go trolololing all around Cyrodiil. I mean, he's been cooped up in ZOS' offices for months now.
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  • r.jan_emailb16_ESO
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    This has already been reported month ago, are you sure it is fixed for sharpened weapons?^I don't think it is.
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  • Dracane
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    It's not 100% . It's a lot, but not 100%. If you ask me, it can stay ;)
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  • ryanmjmcevoy_ESO
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    Is "Major Bug" a new buff they added?
  • pppontus
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    Come monday: "WTS Potent Nirncrux 600k, only way you can beat your opponents in PvP"
  • Cody
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    FIX. NOW.

    OR SUFFER MY WRATH.
  • Cody
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    pppontus wrote: »
    Come monday: "WTS Potent Nirncrux 600k, only way you can beat your opponents in PvP"

    i don't even pay the prices for it now.... i sure as heck would not pay 600K. lol
    Edited by Cody on 21 February 2015 18:58
  • QuadroTony
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    dont care bout it

    at least they do not nerf my sweety Snipe
  • Kevinmon
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    Wow, this is a very big bug! It would be a travesty if it got onto the live servers!
  • sabresandiego_ESO
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    Its a big bug, but has been in the game for almost a year. It was like this using sharpened 2h weapons, and now nirnhoned does it.
    Ali Dreadsabre -Necromancer
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  • c0rp
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    Add it to the list of why this patch is no where near ready for live.
    Force weapon swap to have priority over EVERYTHING. Close enough.
    Make stamina builds even with magicka builds.
    Disable abilities while holding block.
    Give us a REASON to do dungeons more than once.
    Remove PVP AoE CAP. It is ruining Cyrodiil.
    Fix/Remove Forward Camps. They are ruining Cyrodiil.
    Impenetrability needs to REDUCE CRIT DAMAGE. Not negate entire builds.
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  • Ezareth
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    sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »
    Its a big bug, but has been in the game for almost a year. It was like this using sharpened 2h weapons, and now nirnhoned does it.

    @sabresandiego_ESO This isn't true. Nirnhorned has been completely broken and inferior to sharpened since the release of the trait. I did extensive testing on spell penetration before I took my 3 month haitus after they nerfed sharpened.

    In 1.6 they "Fixed" Nirnhorned to work the way it should be working but the *real* issue is the math behind their spell penetration is bugged and has been since release.

    With enough spell penetration you can actually not only fully pierce spell resistance but you can somehow give your spells a *bonus* damage amount as well. To "Fix" sharpened they just jacked up the numbers and drastically lowered the benefit that it offers.

    A legendary sword with 7% Spell penetration does not pierce more than a 2 hand staff with 6% penetration....it doesn't even pierce *close* to that. No 1 hand weapons apply penetration correctly with sharpened, you're almost better off not using it on a 1 hand. I tried using 2 1hand weapons with sharpened as well to the same effect, the numbers of penetration they provide are arbitrary.

    In fact a base sharpened staff provides as much spell penetration as a legendary nirnhorned staff on live. I didn't have a nirnhorned 1 hand to do testing to see if it shares the same fault as sharpened on PTS.

    On PTS using just a Nirnhorned staff and no other penetration will not give you 100% penetration. You need the light armor penetration buff or the apprentice mundus.

    Edited by Ezareth on 21 February 2015 23:05
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  • Gyudan
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    ezareth_ESO wrote: »
    the *real* issue is the math

    I think it's pretty clear by now that ZOS sadly can't handle math. Their numbers, be it about damage, droprates or consistency between items/classes have always been full of errors.
    Edited by Gyudan on 21 February 2015 23:11
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  • Cody
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    QuadroTony wrote: »
    dont care bout it

    at least they do not nerf my sweety Snipe

    you also disgust me
  • Father
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    This is not a new bug .Its a known issue since launch ;/
  • Ezareth
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    Father wrote: »
    This is not a new bug .Its a known issue since launch ;/

    Nirnhorned didn't exist at launch....and it is only "Bugged" in 1.6
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  • Father
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    Yea but sharpened was bugged at launch and at the launch of Nirn Horns it was bugged as well ;p
  • Lionxoft
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    Woohoooo nerfs to heavy armor! Oh wait, damn. Why nerf heavy armor again?
  • Cody
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    Lionxoft wrote: »
    Woohoooo nerfs to heavy armor! Oh wait, damn. Why nerf heavy armor again?

    because Heavy armor is going to be known as "armor for fools" or so ZOS wants it to be.

    I'm sorry, that was wrong. Let me fix that;

    "armor for fools and tanks"

    that's better:)
  • Ezareth
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    Father wrote: »
    Yea but sharpened was bugged at launch and at the launch of Nirn Horns it was bugged as well ;p

    Sharpened was bugged at launch yes, Nirnhorned was not. See my post above.

    A Legendary Nirnhorned Staff on live right now provides *less* spell penetration than a normal sharpened staff.
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  • timidobserver
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    So, is anyone able to confirm that this is happening on the PTS now?
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  • Ezareth
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    timidobserver wrote: »
    So, is anyone able to confirm that this is happening on the PTS now?

    Once again it isn't 100% penetration by itself, you need another source of penetration and then yes it fully penetrates (at least up to the 12K Spell ress that I tested).
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    ezareth_ESO wrote: »
    timidobserver wrote: »
    So, is anyone able to confirm that this is happening on the PTS now?

    Once again it isn't 100% penetration by itself, you need another source of penetration and then yes it fully penetrates (at least up to the 12K Spell ress that I tested).

    Well thats not enough most likely.

    Without nirnhoned weapon i´ve been getting my tooltip dmg reduced by about 80%(only passive mitigation no block or anything active) against heavy armor 3600 champ point builds. If nirnhoned would atleast partially counter that it should stay as long as dmg mitigations this high are possible imho.
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  • Ezareth
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    Derra wrote: »
    ezareth_ESO wrote: »
    timidobserver wrote: »
    So, is anyone able to confirm that this is happening on the PTS now?

    Once again it isn't 100% penetration by itself, you need another source of penetration and then yes it fully penetrates (at least up to the 12K Spell ress that I tested).

    Well thats not enough most likely.

    Without nirnhoned weapon i´ve been getting my tooltip dmg reduced by about 80%(only passive mitigation no block or anything active) against heavy armor 3600 champ point builds. If nirnhoned would atleast partially counter that it should stay as long as dmg mitigations this high are possible imho.

    I doubt most people will be rocking too much more than 12K spell ress without various buffs. The person I tested with had two seperate armor buffs active when I was testing.

    Either way I agree, someone with a Nirnhorned staff and other forms of spell penetration should be able to fully a certain amount of spell ress.

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  • QuadroTony
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    Cody wrote: »
    QuadroTony wrote: »
    dont care bout it

    at least they do not nerf my sweety Snipe

    you also disgust me

    with pleasure
  • Alcast
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    QuadroTony wrote: »
    dont care bout it

    at least they do not nerf my sweety Snipe

    They nerfed snipe hard in 1.6.
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  • glavius
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    Nirnhoned completely ignores 30k resists. Only Thing it doesnt ignore is 20% pvp mitigation and champ resists which cant bedre penetrated at All.
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