Shadowt disguise: Why is it failing all the time?

Tapio75

Problem being.. Usually when going to attack, put this on, then quickly use surprise attack right after.. It does not fail often at all when doing this but when it does, it just engages and right after that goes off again O.o

When on combat, it feels to fail 85% of the uses, when using it on combat, it goes on, then off again.. I remember i could "walk in shadows" from enemy to next enemy with this ability in early moths.. This was in PVE, never used in PVP.. After that it has slowly degenerated to something that seems to fail almost all the time when in combat.. Is this nerfed to uselesness exept when used as opening move or am i doing something wrong here?

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Welcome to the world of Nightblades, we have been telling ZOS since beta it fails too much.. and yes it still fails at times.. and ZOS has been trying to fix it but....

someuser

One thing to be aware of is DOTs, I believe, break cloak.

Tapio75

someuser wrote: »

One thing to be aware of is DOTs, I believe, break cloak.

This could be the case, yes.. Maybe that other morph would work against this? Then again i lose that nice crit bonus which even works sometimes ^^

@whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO‌

i indeed have been reading about this failing very often but thought that its just bad luck but when my "bad luck" just keeps getting worse every moth, i begin to suspect something is wrong.. Then again if that DOT makes it fail, it is completely different thing.

RainfeatherUK

Thats why they called it Shadow 'Disguise', its an ability that isnt meant to work disguised as one that does!

Maybe we should petition a name change to Shadow Surprise instead. That way we get to share that sense of excitement on the rare occasion it works lol.

Orihara_Izaya

They should just change it so that DoT's don't break the ability. You still take damage from the dot's but they don't break stealth. Would solve this problem once and for all.

Varicite

Orihara_Izaya wrote: »

They should just change it so that DoT's don't break the ability. You still take damage from the dot's but they don't break stealth. Would solve this problem once and for all.

I don't believe this is what he meant, though it's possible.

The issue is that YOUR DoTs can break your OWN Cloak, w/ either morph.

Also, there is an issue on PTS that animation cancelling an attack into Cloak will cause your Cloak to break immediately w/out reason, though this may be fixed in 1.6.3 (isn't mentioned anywhere in the patch notes).

Sneak_Thief

Not to mention from 1.6 to 1.6.2 they broke using invis to steal.. Now once again, all other classes will be just as good for stealing...

Varicite

Sneak_Thief wrote: »

Not to mention from 1.6 to 1.6.2 they broke using invis to steal.. Now once again, all other classes will be just as good for stealing...

I don't honestly have an issue w/ this, as giving NBs an unfair advantage doesn't really seem balanced.

Giving them a defensive mechanism that works since they are the only class to lack a shield, however, is pretty darn important balance-wise.

For the same reason. : P

LilChihuahua

I think any snare you have on you will also instantly remove cloak. So can't use that to escape a fight too often.

It's espically annoying when the NPCs use flying blade. Cloak is pretty much disabled for the fight.

Tapio75

My own DOT's can also break it? Thats oddest thing i ever heard but then again i often have crippling grasp active on the targets..

It also looks like that stealth bonuses wont aply on hits or surprise attack when attacking from shadowy disguise at front of target.. All attacks seem like a normal, unstealthed hit.. Is this also a bug? I cant see why i am not stealthed when i am on shadowy disguise, even while in front of target.. I mean is it not counted as invisibility spell?

ShadowDisciple

SD actually works everytime for me...but the crit procs only when im crouching

Grasshopper

Actually I just tested this last night and reported it. It is still happens on the pts

Basically if they they have a DoT on you and you cloak you instantly uncloak.
In the case the have an attack already in there air, For example crushing shock it can still hit you.
Finally There is a bug where you use it to stealth near people they can still see you. (It is producible, but it can be tough to do sometimes)

Shadow cloak is the biggest offender, but I have seen the vampire mist do it also.

Hortator Mopa

Tapio75 wrote: »

Problem being.. Usually when going to attack, put this on, then quickly use surprise attack right after.. It does not fail often at all when doing this but when it does, it just engages and right after that goes off again O.o

When on combat, it feels to fail 85% of the uses, when using it on combat, it goes on, then off again.. I remember i could "walk in shadows" from enemy to next enemy with this ability in early moths.. This was in PVE, never used in PVP.. After that it has slowly degenerated to something that seems to fail almost all the time when in combat.. Is this nerfed to uselesness exept when used as opening move or am i doing something wrong here?

Its broken?

Ok I am joking haha, it is broken and it will be broken forever. Don't even have it on my bar now'a'days.

Cody

One of the rights of passage for a NB is to have a cloak fail on them at least 1,000,000 times.

Trust me it goes by quick.

Stannum

It's permanently broken. I gave up to use it in attack, now i use it only to evade. And it ofen fails even in that cases. Seems like the problem is in syncronization.

ShadowDisciple

Wtf fails for you guys? It never fails for me...in pve i can go trough entire delve without anyone attacking me..and in pvp it never failed me...i can kill 1 or 2 people inside THEIR group and safely get away..only thing i hate is that it does not proc crit if im not crouching..

Also sprinting removes the cloak...

Can anyone explain how does it fail?

Stannum

ShadowDisciple wrote: »

Can anyone explain how does it fail?

It often fails when you're hit (not with AoE, with any attack force shock/shield charge/bow shot) after you cast cloak. Seems like syncro problems, your client thinks that you're cloacked and other client still thinks you're visible.

Zershar_Vemod

Never worked right on the PTS as well for me when I was experimenting with new builds.

Not even going to bother using it on live..

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

I used SD for the longest time but Dark Cloak removes DoTs and lets me get away if you want to play this game as a Nightblade I will tell you right now abandoned that any place style *** (most good DoT builds will really hang you out to dry when you try to get away)

1) using SOME DoTs will break your cloak it's not all DoTs but it's about half so if DoTs are your thing you can't use Shadow Cloak

2)unless you're a vampire or wearing five pieces Shadow Walker, Night's Silence then you will move fast enough to actually escape (even with Concealed Weapons)

3)We are all just wasting our time here ZOS has known about the problems with Shadow Cloak since BETA I know cause I was there so they either can't fix it or they look at the number of kills Nightblades and think that it doesn't matter

4) Either use a build with NO poison (all poisons ex. Lethal arrow, poison arrow and use the poison enchant ) at all or get up close and personal with duel wield (stamina) or sword and shield (magic) if you kill one person and don't hit another if you are crouched and use any Shadow Cloak you will be put into Stealth just try and hit behind somethiing Tested and it works

5) as a Nightblade you can't use poison and Shadow Cloak that play style will get you killed a lot

6) In truth I only play Nightblades (since BETA) so I never escaped the ass many flaws and at this point I really don't think ZOS or Bethesda Softworks care anymore I really don't they are making money and we just take broken powers off our bars or work around them so why would they fix anything it's been over a year that this power has not work and nothing we had promises back in 1.2 and no real fixes yet so if your hoping for change abandon hope all ye who play Nightblades

Vizier

ZoS isn't trying to fix it. They are beyond trying iMO.


Cloak breaks when there is a dot or negative effect on you. It is also rendered ineffective when certain game features are used against the NB which basically bypass stealth altogether.

You need to get distance from your enemies so stealth speed is important. Concealed weapon and Vampirism Passive is key. You also need purge for negative effects from things like curse and talons.

block, purge, cloak, rapid maneuvers and fear are your friends. You want to be elusive and escape when detected. You need to be familiar with all these. Cloak itself isn't enough. It's still going to break on you and some exploit game mechanics will still Fubar you but you'll find with the above you can escape enough to enjoy cloak...or the most part.

Varicite

At this point, I feel like there are so many issues w/ Cloak, spread across so many different threads, that Devs themselves probably have no real idea of what's actually wrong w/ it.

You can't really fix what you don't know is broken. : /

rhubbert_ESO

If you use any DoT abilities prior to cloaking you will be revealed when the damage ticks. I hate it too, because most nightblade builds center around DoT.

Varicite

rhubbert_ESO wrote: »

If you use any DoT abilities prior to cloaking you will be revealed when the damage ticks. I hate it too, because most nightblade builds center around DoT.

This is just one of many bugs w/ the ability, though.

Fails because of what you said (using certain DoTs will cause your own Cloak to fail).

Fails because sometimes it fails to remove DoTs that it should (Dark Cloak).

Fails if you use a ranged attack and then Cloak before your ranged attack reaches the target.

Fails if you animation cancel into Cloak (likely because of the above reason).

Fails sometimes for completely unknown reasons.

There's a few others I'm not positive about, but what I've listed are all documented issues (video proof) w/ Cloak, including Cloak breaking immediately multiple times in a row for no apparent reason at all.

rhubbert_ESO

That's why I never use it and the only shadow ability I use often is Refreshing Paths.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

I don't think that the problem is hard to figure out even of it's across multiple post with just keywords like DoTs, break and Shadow Cloak or any of the morphs with should have been a one plus one = Internal alpha testing but again they're just ignoring this again

Daenerys

I'm a new Nightblade, having played a Sorc since beta, I wanted to try a sneaky class to check out the justice system. I found this thread by googling dark cloak or shadowy disguise... and wow.

Has anything been fixed? I know next to nothing about NBs, and I'm trying to decide b/w the 2 morphs. Any advice on choosing the least broken one?

deepseamk20b14_ESO

Shadowy disguise has never worked for me. I've used dark cloak for a long time now because shadowy disguise doesn't crit my next attack. Even tried it in 1.6, but to no avail. Switched right back to dark cloak, it works as intended for me.

Code2501

LilChihuahua wrote: »

I think any snare you have on you will also instantly remove cloak. So can't use that to escape a fight too often.

It's espically annoying when the NPCs use flying blade. Cloak is pretty much disabled for the fight.

Yeah, I noticed the bug with snares too.

The skill has NEVER worked properly, when you see it in the patch notes its just a ZoS troll, heck they can't even try buffing it because they are scared stiff that one day if they ever get it working correctly it will be OP. Having played MMO's for decades I can't ever remember a bigger fail of a skill.
ZoS should just removed the skill instead of trolling new NB's. Make it into a trophy clicky or some other fluff for the players that like the flavor and give NB's a skill that actually works.

Varicite

Can we just get an efficient big heal that doesn't require a target, instead?

Clearly we are not resolving the issues w/ Shadow Cloak (which is amazing, since they won't just adopt the exact same strategy almost every other MMO has utilized to solve these issues, which is a split second immunity when using the ability to prevent anything knocking you back out immediately).

vanddalx

Varicite wrote: »

Can we just get an efficient big heal that doesn't require a target, instead?

Clearly we are not resolving the issues w/ Shadow Cloak (which is amazing, since they won't just adopt the exact same strategy almost every other MMO has utilized to solve these issues, which is a split second immunity when using the ability to prevent anything knocking you back out immediately).

Vigor (new ability)

-This new ability will place a strong heal over time on allies within 10 meters for 5 seconds.

-Echoing Vigor (morph): Increases the radius to 15 meters.

-Resolving Vigor (morph): This ability will increase the heal value on yourself.

Or just fix cloak.