Why does rune prison have a cast time and petrify not ?

Dracane

Hello,

I'm wondering, why rune prison has a 1.5 seconds cast time and petrify is an instant cast, while petrify obviously does everything better than rune prison.

Petrify can take a decent amount of damage, until it breaks and also deals damage, if the effect ends.
I am not sure, since I haven't tested it. But petrify can't be blocked and I am not sure, if the same goes for rune prison.

Petrify is such a strong ability in 1.6 and you can't avoid it. Why can't rune prison be an instant cast too ?

david.haypreub18_ESO

The #1 rule of ESO is, Dragonknights must be the only class that has no cast times. The developers just really love that class.

Armann

Dracane wrote: »

I'm wondering, why rune prison has a 1.5 seconds cast time and petrify is an instant cast, while petrify obviously does everything better than rune prison.

Because it's not a DK ability, hence inferior by design, as is Agony.

Dracane

Ah true.... I am a fool for comparing Sorcerers with Dragonknights. My bad

Iyas

why does agony has a casttime and has no root like rune prison?

and why does dracane cry about everything?

so many questions

Dracane

Iyas wrote: »

why does agony has a casttime and has no root like rune prison?

and why does dracane cry about everything?

so many questions

I'm not even crying -.- this is a serious question.
Because I don't get, why rune prison has a cast time and petrify not.

Iyas

because dks need to cc the pets of a sorc. otherwise he will die in a few seconds

Dracane

I consider this comment as a joke....

Iyas

yeah i consider your post as a joke too. so were fine here

Yuke

Sorry, we dont have 28K shields to cover our asses in pvp, we need decent CC options to be able to survive.

Dracane

My post is not a joke.

Digiman

Yuke wrote: »

Sorry, we dont have 28K shields to cover our asses in pvp, we need decent CC options to be able to survive.

Yet when one of those shields drops Sorcerers become a crushed nut. Blame the developers, they broke cloth and put themselves in check with the changes, its either do over or checkmate.

As for Rune prism, because its a 28 range ability and no one will use it. With 1.6 I can see the morph being more useful for stealth and bow attacks, but really when your getting attacked by mobs of people, I would take an instant close range CC of a 1.5 second long range that breaks on damage.

Dracane

Digiman wrote: »

Yuke wrote: »

Sorry, we dont have 28K shields to cover our asses in pvp, we need decent CC options to be able to survive.

Yet when one of those shields drops Sorcerers become a crushed nut. Blame the developers, they broke cloth and put themselves in check with the changes, its either do over or checkmate.

As for Rune prism, because its a 28 range ability and no one will use it. With 1.6 I can see the morph being more useful for stealth and bow attacks, but really when your getting attacked by mobs of people, I would take an instant close range CC of a 1.5 second long range that breaks on damage.

Hm yea I think, the range should not be considered a factor for the cast time.
But you are right

Aimelin

also, why can you just spam petrify over & over & over and you're stuck there unless you CC break out of it, and then you're still unable to do anything, even if you don't cc break out of it & let it time out you're stuck there for atleast 3 seconds

petrify needs a serious look at, and a change / nerf caus i literally saw a 2h dk do nothing but petrify & crit charge till someone was dead

nerf please ZOS

Dracane

Aimelin wrote: »

also, why can you just spam petrify over & over & over and you're stuck there unless you CC break out of it, and then you're still unable to do anything, even if you don't cc break out of it & let it time out you're stuck there for atleast 3 seconds

petrify needs a serious look at, and a change / nerf caus i literally saw a 2h dk do nothing but petrify & crit charge till someone was dead

nerf please ZOS

Yes, petrify stuns for 4 seconds after the effect ends (it's a morph)
I would rather buff rune prison to be more on par with petrify though.

Aimelin

even if its a morph, you should not be able to recast petrify on a target with petrify without it granting cc immunity ........ its dumb, it needs to be looked at

ToRelax

Iyas wrote: »

why does agony has a casttime and has no root like rune prison?

and why does dracane cry about everything?

so many questions

Since when has Rune Prison a root... ?

Yuke wrote: »

Sorry, we dont have 28K shields to cover our asses in pvp, we need decent CC options to be able to survive.

And what's that with a 28k damage shield?

@Dracane 's question certainly makes sense, so an actual answer would help us more than misinformation and exaggeration.

Domander

Petrify has a 15m range and is instant.

Rune prison has a 28m range (which is even further in pvp), it also now has a reactive morph with a long duration. Defensive rune will instantly disorient anything that attacks you.

Yuke

ToRelax wrote: »

And what's that with a 28k damage shield?

Dont play dumb. Everybody knows about shield stacking and every *** sorc knows exactly how ridiculously OP it is right now

jopeymonster

Iyas wrote: »

yeah i consider your post as a joke too. so were fine here

Yuke wrote: »

Sorry, we dont have 28K shields to cover our asses in pvp, we need decent CC options to be able to survive.

At least we know who the DK trolls are...

Valid question - valid discussion. Carry on @Dracane‌

And this is another example of CC disparity between classes that needs serious consideration.

ToRelax

Yuke wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

And what's that with a 28k damage shield?

Dont play dumb. Everybody knows about shield stacking and every *** sorc knows exactly how ridiculously OP it is right now

My Hardened Ward with ~150 CP and 30k Magicka is about 12k , with 3600 CP and 42k Magicka I have 22k damage shield. Every other shield i use is available to all classes. It may be not the best thing for them to go full on Magicka, but the other shields (Healing Ward and Harness Magicka) are either to expensive or have no effect in some situations. One would be a fool going full Magicka and rely on those for defense.

Ezareth

3600 champion points, epic V10 food, max magica attribute, mage mundus, all magicka enchants and 3 VR14 magicka set bonuses and I only had 43K magicka and my conjured ward isn't close to 28K, it was 20K.

I'd love to know why I see people talking about 28K shields like that's what everyone is rolling in.

On topic I think rune prison is fine. Every class should have flavors. We can make our CC reactive and that is something I think is pretty fun and unique to sorc.

Let the classes have their flavor abilities and don't homogenize everything into compare X class ability to Y class ability.

ArconSeptim

Dracane wrote: »

Hello,

I'm wondering, why rune prison has a 1.5 seconds cast time and petrify is an instant cast, while petrify obviously does everything better than rune prison.

Petrify can take a decent amount of damage, until it breaks and also deals damage, if the effect ends.
I am not sure, since I haven't tested it. But petrify can't be blocked and I am not sure, if the same goes for rune prison.

Petrify is such a strong ability in 1.6 and you can't avoid it. Why can't rune prison be an instant cast too ?

Ohh please another SORC WHINER at the sight...

Domander

Dracane wrote: »

Ah true.... I am a fool for comparing Sorcerers with Dragonknights. My bad

If you want short range insta casts, DK is probably a good choice of class for you.

If you want long range and maneuverability, Sorc is probably better.

Yuke

And? hardened ward is enough to reach those absorb values in combination with a second shield.

My DK shield gives me 9k Absorb when i cast it with 29K life and if i put so much points in life i can only have around 21K Mana which only gives me a 8K harness magicka shield in addition

ArconSeptim

I just cant understand these people who play sorcerers. Why the divines of eternity you play sorcerer if you dont understand the style the tactics of playing with it? Every class has its own drawbacks, it depends on your theorycrafting and how you play with it, for example I have seen ridiculous sorcs outliving dks having mass dps in pvp and pve

Aimelin

Why do i only see DKs whining in here about dmg shields? sure, take away my sorcs dmg shield, give me your GDB in return, see how many posts will pop up then .... also ... ur FULL HP DMG SHIELD DRAGON LEAP is OP too, pls nerf to only 25% hp zos

Iyas

For the people who are crying without actually playing the char some screenshots. (Fresh Vr 14 Breton Template Sorc with 5 La, 1 Ma, 1 Ha, all enchantments to magicka = round about 40k Magicka)

Hardened:



Harness:



And i found the new rune prison morph very nice



And yeah im playing a dk and a nb and a sorc. So dont call me a troll if you know nothing about me.

Everyone is crying about magicka dks but with hardened and harness, there is no way that you can die against him.

You can have more magicka with Mage guild skills equipped or boundless armor

Iyas

Aimelin wrote: »

Why do i only see DKs whining in here about dmg shields? sure, take away my sorcs dmg shield, give me your GDB in return, see how many posts will pop up then .... also ... ur FULL HP DMG SHIELD DRAGON LEAP is OP too, pls nerf to only 25% hp zos

Leap was already nerfed to 6 sec duration.

GDB is a good heal but i dont know how often i got healed for 0. With healing ward i would survive these situations.
Healdebuff is the way to go against Dks. All a matter of learn to play

Aimelin

if you actually tested it on PTS you know dks still rip through the shields pretty fast

but so what? you can spam GDB & scales 24/7 and be op af, and still whine you're not powerfull enough, just stop trying to nerf every damn single thing so dks can be op af

ToRelax

Yuke wrote: »

And? hardened ward is enough to reach those absorb values in combination with a second shield.

My DK shield gives me 9k Absorb when i cast it with 29K life and if i put so much points in life i can only have around 21K Mana which only gives me a 8K harness magicka shield in addition

ToRelax wrote: »

Yuke wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

And what's that with a 28k damage shield?

Dont play dumb. Everybody knows about shield stacking and every *** sorc knows exactly how ridiculously OP it is right now

My Hardened Ward with ~150 CP and 30k Magicka is about 12k , with 3600 CP and 42k Magicka I have 22k damage shield. Every other shield i use is available to all classes. It may be not the best thing for them to go full on Magicka, but the other shields (Healing Ward and Harness Magicka) are either to expensive or have no effect in some situations. One would be a fool going full Magicka and rely on those for defense.

Please read.

Aimelin wrote: »

Why do i only see DKs whining in here about dmg shields? sure, take away my sorcs dmg shield, give me your GDB in return, see how many posts will pop up then .... also ... ur FULL HP DMG SHIELD DRAGON LEAP is OP too, pls nerf to only 25% hp zos

Because they can't get through Harness Magicka with their whip anymore I guess. Well then, Sorc never could.

@Iyas‌

- Your numbers are just showing off what I already said
- Rune Prison is garbage in an actual fight
- You don't even seem to know how Healing Ward works
- I would trade Hardened Ward for GDB for sure

Edit:
Your statement about Healing Ward actually is so weird I guess you mean Hardened Ward. In that case, if I could trade Hardened Ward for GDB, I would simply use Dampen magic.