Can we get a hotfix on PTS?

Recremen

C0pp3rhead wrote: »

I'm with @McDoogs‌ on this one. How they let something like this get through their own private testing is beyond me.

It might be the millions of lines of code interacting with each other in a literally incalculable number of ways, but don't let that take away your fun!

Iyas

So when can we expect the hotfix? Soon?

GOREKIN

It is easy what happen with 2 handed weapons damage. They took all the magical soc damage and added it to the 2 handed weapon. At least that is my soc friend said while standing next to his uber pet.

Grao

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Guys, we're looking at this now. Please keep this thread constructive while we investigate the root cause. Thanks!

When you decide to hotfix these problems, please fix the disaster you've made of crafting. I have no idea how you expect us to run tests on vr9 gear.

McDoogs

Recremen wrote: »

C0pp3rhead wrote: »

I'm with @McDoogs‌ on this one. How they let something like this get through their own private testing is beyond me.

It might be the millions of lines of code interacting with each other in a literally incalculable number of ways, but don't let that take away your fun!

The rules engine for a MMO is no more or less complex than any other application suite, and should be held to the same standards.

Darlgon

McDoogs wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

C0pp3rhead wrote: »

I'm with @McDoogs‌ on this one. How they let something like this get through their own private testing is beyond me.

It might be the millions of lines of code interacting with each other in a literally incalculable number of ways, but don't let that take away your fun!

The rules engine for a MMO is no more or less complex than any other application suite, and should be held to the same standards.

Yep. thats why Windows and MS Office have weekly patches. They have their product perfect.

Recremen

McDoogs wrote: »

The rules engine for a MMO is no more or less complex than any other application suite, and should be held to the same standards.

An interesting conjecture, but as someone else pointed out, there are many patches for Microsoft products as is, just for an example. It's also strange that people are nitpicking this without it even being on live, as if PTS isn't a tool specifically for finding problems that make it past the standard checks.

Moreover, it may not even be true that an MMO is only as complex as any other application suite. Going back to Office products, many of those have common data types between them, and much of what changes is simply the GUI and a few file encoding differences. With games, data values are influenced through much more dynamic models involving diverse input, and may not even be of the same data type to start with. Conversely, applications like Word and Excel have easily determinable combinations of possible influence to the data (This cell has a border with these properties, the text is bold, italic, and in this font). Much more simple! Compare that to "This character is flying through the air in an arc determined at button push, while simultaneously gaining a damage shield, landing here, affecting these players with stats xyz for damage of these types, etc etc, all influenced by the player's own stats and set item procs.

sarttsarttsarttub17_ESO

Orchish wrote: »

Really needs a hotfix.

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You can 1-2 shot anything right now.

You killed Kaghei with CHARGE Hehehehehe

Xeniph

While I agree with the folks that are saying "This is a Test server" and this stuff is what these servers are for. Bugs of this catastrophic nature in regards to gameplay should not make it past Internal QA.

To me, it demonstrates just how unlike real players their QA department is. This bug specifically simply just starts to happen to you over the coarse of your play session.

I for one, sincerely hope 1.6 is delayed. The broken/bugges issues of 1.6-1.6.2 have nearly all been noticeable within a normal players session within a little to a few minutes. Speaking volumes as to the pressure these teams are under to produce this content, in any from, in the given schedule.

jopeymonster

Xeniph wrote: »

To me, it demonstrates just how unlike a real PLAYER their QA department is.

FTFY - we should all know by now that there is only internal tester. How else could all these issues get sent to PTS without being noticed? This isn't the first time that obvious game-breaking bugs were found on PTS by players. Previous patches also went to LIVE with game-breaking bugs still in coding, even after players /bug report them.

ZOS saves money by only hiring one tester, probably named Bob, and makes paying players test the patches. It's been like this for over a year... am I the only one that knew this?

Robbmrp

XEVENEX wrote: »

LOL

Come on now ZoS. Is there absolutely NO testing going on over there? I don't know about you guys, but after I code something cool I like to test my code with some Frito's and Mountain Dew.

Why should they test the changes they make, when we are paying to test it for them?!

cozmon3c_ESO

did they hotfix this yet, i havent seen any notes.

Iyas

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

did they hotfix this yet, i havent seen any notes.

nope

Orchish

sarttsarttsarttub17_ESO wrote: »

Orchish wrote: »

Really needs a hotfix.

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You can 1-2 shot anything right now.

You killed Kaghei with CHARGE Hehehehehe

Yes, it seems any ability used with the two hander line is completely broken.

I used silver shards which was on the same bar as my two hander and i was suddenly 2-3 shotting people. I quit afterwards, i'll wait for a patch as right now it's pointless to test anything.

onlinegamer1

Orchish wrote: »

sarttsarttsarttub17_ESO wrote: »

Orchish wrote: »

Really needs a hotfix.

[img][/img]

You can 1-2 shot anything right now.

You killed Kaghei with CHARGE Hehehehehe

Yes, it seems any ability used with the two hander line is completely broken.

I used silver shards which was on the same bar as my two hander and i was suddenly 2-3 shotting people. I quit afterwards, i'll wait for a patch as right now it's pointless to test anything.

For what its worth, I cannot make this happen no matter what I try (swapping weapons, War Horn, or anything else). So, its not just "equip 2h = see bug".

Recremen

jopeymonster wrote: »

FTFY - we should all know by now that there is only internal tester. How else could all these issues get sent to PTS without being noticed? This isn't the first time that obvious game-breaking bugs were found on PTS by players. Previous patches also went to LIVE with game-breaking bugs still in coding, even after players /bug report them.

ZOS saves money by only hiring one tester, probably named Bob, and makes paying players test the patches. It's been like this for over a year... am I the only one that knew this?

The difference between "knowing something" and "pointless incendiary conjecture" is so canyonesque it makes the sunken land of Yokuda look like cracked pavement.

They probably have automated testing and, perhaps, some limited overworld testing to spot-check certain things. That kind of environment gives a bare bones check for how certain things interact, but you need a much larger and more robust environment (like a PTS) to try out combinations of events that only real gameplay can illuminate.

It's okay if you have no insight into game development, coding, common testing procedures, or any area of the industry, but trying to rouse the rabble on half-crocked presumptions is damaging to the community. Please stop. :-|

ZOS_GinaBruno

Just a quick update: we were able to figure out what's causing this (short answer: it's complicated) and will make sure it's fixed in our next PTS patch. It's quite unlikely this will be hotfixed. It's not because it isn't a big deal - it definitely is - but the process to hotfix an issue on the PTS is quite different than the Live megaservers. That said, we're currently planning on having another PTS patch next week.

BoloBoffin

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just a quick update: we were able to figure out what's causing this (short answer: it's complicated) and will make sure it's fixed in our next PTS patch. It's quite unlikely this will be hotfixed. It's not because it isn't a big deal - it definitely is - but the process to hotfix an issue on the PTS is quite different than the Live megaservers. That said, we're currently planning on having another PTS patch next week.

Well, there's no point in going to Cyrodiil, then.

OtarTheMad

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just a quick update: we were able to figure out what's causing this (short answer: it's complicated) and will make sure it's fixed in our next PTS patch. It's quite unlikely this will be hotfixed. It's not because it isn't a big deal - it definitely is - but the process to hotfix an issue on the PTS is quite different than the Live megaservers. That said, we're currently planning on having another PTS patch next week.

Thanks for the update! Hopefully the insane damage people are taking will be fixed with this... because if it goes live... PvP is as dead as Elvis.

EDIT- Also I would say to us testers, to make sure ESO devs really fix this, if you get hit with an ability and it seems like too much damage just take a screenshot of your Death Recap and post it here. Vids help too.

Decimus_Rex

Sqamdalf wrote: »

1.9M .... just adding it to the queue

http://youtu.be/5196mjp9fcU

It's twuuu It's twuuuuu

http://youtu.be/s9JqbCH4aVw

Holycannoli

brando_bellcub18_ESO wrote: »

Added for the picture book

Tu'whacca have mercy!

Iyas

sure i can test pve...not. soloed vet dsa and duod sanctum ophidia but only because i need another person for the switch mechanic. lol

TheBull

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just a quick update: we were able to figure out what's causing this (short answer: it's complicated) and will make sure it's fixed in our next PTS patch. It's quite unlikely this will be hotfixed. It's not because it isn't a big deal - it definitely is - but the process to hotfix an issue on the PTS is quite different than the Live megaservers. That said, we're currently planning on having another PTS patch next week.

Thanks for the update

SG_Celerrimus

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just a quick update: we were able to figure out what's causing this (short answer: it's complicated) and will make sure it's fixed in our next PTS patch. It's quite unlikely this will be hotfixed. It's not because it isn't a big deal - it definitely is - but the process to hotfix an issue on the PTS is quite different than the Live megaservers. That said, we're currently planning on having another PTS patch next week.

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌

Will this next patch make it so that Guards can finally and justifiably be killed, instead of having them be gods compared to all players?

OtarTheMad

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just a quick update: we were able to figure out what's causing this (short answer: it's complicated) and will make sure it's fixed in our next PTS patch. It's quite unlikely this will be hotfixed. It's not because it isn't a big deal - it definitely is - but the process to hotfix an issue on the PTS is quite different than the Live megaservers. That said, we're currently planning on having another PTS patch next week.

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌

Will this next patch make it so that Guards can finally and justifiably be killed, instead of having them be gods compared to all players?

Guards in towns should be basically unkillable... imagine how insane the Justice System and towns/cities would get if you could just kill the guards and get away with everything... that sucks.

Domander

Well, that's a week of testing wasted.

Critborn

BoloBoffin wrote: »

I have you all beat:



7.4 million damage from Brawler. Tanks, Red Bull!

Dagoth_Rac

OtarTheMad wrote: »

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just a quick update: we were able to figure out what's causing this (short answer: it's complicated) and will make sure it's fixed in our next PTS patch. It's quite unlikely this will be hotfixed. It's not because it isn't a big deal - it definitely is - but the process to hotfix an issue on the PTS is quite different than the Live megaservers. That said, we're currently planning on having another PTS patch next week.

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌

Will this next patch make it so that Guards can finally and justifiably be killed, instead of having them be gods compared to all players?

Guards in towns should be basically unkillable... imagine how insane the Justice System and towns/cities would get if you could just kill the guards and get away with everything... that sucks.

Agreed.

If guards could be killed, there would be no risk to Justice System. Just steal/pickpocket/murder and never pay a bounty because if you get caught you can just kill the guard.

Even super strong (but not invincible) guards would simply lead to players grouping up in zergballs and Impulse-spamming until guards are dead. Again, no risk.

The point of the Justice System, at least while still PvE only, is to not get caught. Maybe when the PvP part gets added you could make guards able to be killed because other players can hunt you down, not just guards.

But as long as the Justice System is PvE only, guards need to be invincible. Otherwise you might as well have not added the Justice System and just email every player a bag of gold every day.

Xeniph

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just a quick update: we were able to figure out what's causing this (short answer: it's complicated) and will make sure it's fixed in our next PTS patch. It's quite unlikely this will be hotfixed. It's not because it isn't a big deal - it definitely is - but the process to hotfix an issue on the PTS is quite different than the Live megaservers. That said, we're currently planning on having another PTS patch next week.

I know my reading comprehension sucks and all, since I am getting old but are you really expecting anyone to be able to test anything with these numbers like this?

The shirt answer is: The game Balance and most of The champion system can't legitimately be tested in this environment. Atleast revert the build to 1.6.1, so testing can continue on the stuff that hasn't changed with the new iteration.

Syntse

BoloBoffin wrote: »

Well, there's no point in going to Cyrodiil, then.

So you mean people are in the PTS Cyro just to one shot everything. Basically not gaining anything from it since it's PTS. And will not stop doing it and continue with other testings until it's fixed? I would see and understand this happening in live but in PTS.