1.6 how does 3600 CP feel?

Northern_Wolfling

I just made a vet 14 template and distributed all 3600 CP. This what the differences in states are, if you don't wear any armor and didn't put in any attributpoints or skillpoints in.
Anybody expierenced yet in combat how big the gap feels between cp rank 0 and cp rank 3600 (both vet 14)?

0 cp

3600 cp

Nestor

So, how many years to be OP?

Northern_Wolfling

I guess a few, at least for me and I don't mind ;-) I'm not doing pvp so I was just wondering how powerful does maxed out out cp feel in pvp?

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

Just wondering, why is the armor penetration so high compared to spell penetration (focus rating)?

b-l-a-d-eb16_ESO

spell critical seems bugged.

you get +25% through skill and 12% through passive or not?

Ezareth

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

Just wondering, why is the armor penetration so high compared to spell penetration (focus rating)?

They're calculated differently from my understanding.

lifthrasir85 wrote: »

I just made a vet 14 template and distributed all 3600 CP. This what the differences in states are, if you don't wear any armor and didn't put in any attributpoints or skillpoints in.
Anybody expierenced yet in combat how big the gap feels between cp rank 0 and cp rank 3600 (both vet 14)?

Which addon is that? Srendaars or another? I haven't used any of the stat addons in months.

Northern_Wolfling

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

Just wondering, why is the armor penetration so high compared to spell penetration (focus rating)?

They're calculated differently from my understanding.

lifthrasir85 wrote: »

I just made a vet 14 template and distributed all 3600 CP. This what the differences in states are, if you don't wear any armor and didn't put in any attributpoints or skillpoints in.
Anybody expierenced yet in combat how big the gap feels between cp rank 0 and cp rank 3600 (both vet 14)?

Which addon is that? Srendaars or another? I haven't used any of the stat addons in months.

Harvens extended stats. the first 6 lines appear also if you don't have any add-ons.

Ezareth

lifthrasir85 wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

Just wondering, why is the armor penetration so high compared to spell penetration (focus rating)?

They're calculated differently from my understanding.

lifthrasir85 wrote: »

I just made a vet 14 template and distributed all 3600 CP. This what the differences in states are, if you don't wear any armor and didn't put in any attributpoints or skillpoints in.
Anybody expierenced yet in combat how big the gap feels between cp rank 0 and cp rank 3600 (both vet 14)?

Which addon is that? Srendaars or another? I haven't used any of the stat addons in months.

Harvens extended stats. the first 6 lines appear also if you don't have any add-ons.

Ahh that's right. Thanks!

TheBull

omg it feels so OP. 1st one to 3600 wins GO!


oh and 70 champ points is NOTHING.

Robbmrp

Considering that's 3600 CP points and at Live we will only have 70, IMO it doesn't seem worth trying to grind CP. If your stats were closer to being doubled that may be something different. Personally, I don't see anything in those values that make me go "I HAVE TO GRIND CP AS FAST AS POSSIBLE".

Did you do a dungeon run before and after to get a feel on if they made that big of an impact?

TheBull

Robbmrp wrote: »

Considering that's 3600 CP points and at Live we will only have 70, IMO it doesn't seem worth trying to grind CP. If your stats were closer to being doubled that may be something different. Personally, I don't see anything in those values that make me go "I HAVE TO GRIND CP AS FAST AS POSSIBLE".

Did you do a dungeon run before and after to get a feel on if they made that big of an impact?

No way I would try to grind them, but make no mistake, if someone did, they would be godmode.

Robbmrp

Another thought comes into play, just HOW long did it take you to place all 3600 of those points?!?!?!?! OMG sometimes the time it takes just to place 5 skill points is enough to drive me crazy.

Northern_Wolfling

as I didn't have to decide (it's all 3600)... 3 minutes I guess.

Ezareth

Robbmrp wrote: »

Considering that's 3600 CP points and at Live we will only have 70, IMO it doesn't seem worth trying to grind CP. If your stats were closer to being doubled that may be something different. Personally, I don't see anything in those values that make me go "I HAVE TO GRIND CP AS FAST AS POSSIBLE".

Did you do a dungeon run before and after to get a feel on if they made that big of an impact?

Most of the benefits provided by CP aren't visible in the base stat page.

ItsRejectz

I wonder if anyone will ever hit max cp in live lol

Robbmrp

ItsRejectz wrote: »

I wonder if anyone will ever hit max cp in live lol

Oh yeah, some fool will have it done within a month. Then Southpark will air their ESO Episode.....

xMovingTarget

I did spindle with it on a poor template char DK. God amongst men.

Snit

I am sticking with 70 for a few days, so I can do an apples to apples comparison with my character on live.

Shuichi

That explains my 10% missing crit. It seems that CP values are something we ALL Have on live, now we have to choose where our extra usage comes from.

Robbmrp

Snit wrote: »

I am sticking with 70 for a few days, so I can do an apples to apples comparison with my character on live.

Great idea. My wife and I will do the same just to get an idea of how bad we'll be gimped when 1.6 goes live... LOL

I'll look for your post on the comparison.

Thanks!

Lionxoft

It's broken. The champion system will create a wall for newer players down the road. This isn't just a "Veteran of the game" type buff... This is a "I will demolish you and take your lunch money" difference.

Some of these passives have me wondering what they were thinking and which substance was used. Skooma maybe? Hist sap?

xMovingTarget

Lionxoft wrote: »

It's broken. The champion system will create a wall for newer players down the road. This isn't just a "Veteran of the game" type buff... This is a "I will demolish you and take your lunch money" difference.

Some of these passives have me wondering what they were thinking and which substance was used. Skooma maybe? Hist sap?

420, just that

With maxed champ you can literally ignore everything red. Its ridiculous. Too bad i cant yet check it on a good char with good gear. =( sucki EU Player here

madangrypally

Lets consider how long this will likely take:
3600 Champion Points.
Lets assume 400k per champion point.
Lets assume enlightenment bonus is 1 champion point per day.
Lets assume the optimal exp per hour is 200k.
Lets assume 12.5 hours per day playing while earning optimal exp.

Therefore: 1 day a player will earn 7 Champion Points.
Playing every day with the above it would take 504 days to cap if starting with 70 champion points.

Even if there is an even more extreme player then the above I seriously doubt they will earn the full 3600 Champion Points in less then a year. I would also doubt their sanity if they earned them all in less then 2 years.
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But wait what about cash shop enlightenment pots. Lets assume these are in the cash shop at the following values:

1 enlightenment pot = 1 champion point worth of exp bonus. (IE: 100k = 400k)

Now lets assume there is no cap on usage. This will greatly increase the overall time required to cap the full 3600 champion points.

Lets assume the optimal exp per hour is 200k.
Lets assume 12.5 hours per day playing while earning optimal exp.
Lets assume the player is always under enlightenment through cash shop purchases.

It would take 141 days to earn the full 3600 champion points.
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The above was extremes though likely not the most extreme a few will attempt. I also doubt ZoS allows the cash shop experience boost to be used without some type of cooldowns.

Feidam

Keep in mind that to get 3600 is a major no life time commitment. If you could get 1 CP per hour ie 24 in a day. It will still take you what 150 days to reach cap. I mean come on. No one is legitimately going to have that many CP's anytime soon.

Personally, I think this just confirms the switch to horizontal progression instead of linear with the VEt ranks.

sabresandiego_ESO

You cant tell right now because there are bugs with both 2h and warhorn that are scaling damage out of control to 1 shot levels.

Balance wont be testable until these bugs are fixed

Rydik

3600 cp... I CAN FEEL THE POWER OF GODS!!!! MUAHAHAHA!!!!

Lionxoft

madangrypally wrote: »

Lets consider how long this will likely take:
3600 Champion Points.
Lets assume 400k per champion point.
Lets assume enlightenment bonus is 1 champion point per day.
Lets assume the optimal exp per hour is 200k.
Lets assume 12.5 hours per day playing while earning optimal exp.

Therefore: 1 day a player will earn 7 Champion Points.
Playing every day with the above it would take 504 days to cap if starting with 70 champion points.

Even if there is an even more extreme player then the above I seriously doubt they will earn the full 3600 Champion Points in less then a year. I would also doubt their sanity if they earned them all in less then 2 years.
========================================

But wait what about cash shop enlightenment pots. Lets assume these are in the cash shop at the following values:

1 enlightenment pot = 1 champion point worth of exp bonus. (IE: 100k = 400k)

Now lets assume there is no cap on usage. This will greatly increase the overall time required to cap the full 3600 champion points.

Lets assume the optimal exp per hour is 200k.
Lets assume 12.5 hours per day playing while earning optimal exp.
Lets assume the player is always under enlightenment through cash shop purchases.

It would take 141 days to earn the full 3600 champion points.
=======================================

The above was extremes though likely not the most extreme a few will attempt. I also doubt ZoS allows the cash shop experience boost to be used without some type of cooldowns.

You don't need 3600 CP to feel strong. 360 is enough to benefit immensely from the system. I think that counting 3600 CP as the benchmark for ridiculously overpowered isn't a proper judgment.

Lionxoft

Feidam wrote: »

Keep in mind that to get 3600 is a major no life time commitment. If you could get 1 CP per hour ie 24 in a day. It will still take you what 150 days to reach cap. I mean come on. No one is legitimately going to have that many CP's anytime soon.

Personally, I think this just confirms the switch to horizontal progression instead of linear with the VEt ranks.

To reach ridiculously OP status you don't need 3600... Some of these passives are a complete joke with how powerful they are.

xylena

2h bugs aside, there's an incredible gap between playing with 70 CP, 360 CP (one tree of each maxed), and again with 3600 CP... a year from now, vets will be untouchable to new players

madangrypally

Lionxoft wrote: »

You don't need 3600 CP to feel strong. 360 is enough to benefit immensely from the system. I think that counting 3600 CP as the benchmark for ridiculously overpowered isn't a proper judgment.

I agree. Wont take anywhere near the full 3600 CP to become powerful. I expect most builds will be able to make due with much much less to get major benefit. Which actually helps keep the majority of the playerbase on somewhat even footing.

I expect 900-1200 to be the target number of points that will unlock most of what players will want for their particle build. Points spent above their target number will not add a whole lot of value to their playstyle. With DR this means players with 300-400 points wont be greatly weaker then those with 900-1200 points. Its the first few hundred where the power comes from IMO.

C0pp3rhead

To the OP, I don't think Harven's is not yet fully compatible with 1.6 & CP. I notice that in both pics, your elemental resistances are 0, meaning it's not taking buffs from the Lady constellation into account. It seems that this is not yet a definitive end of discussion for CP benefits.