Sorc 1.6.2 changes ... still nothing for stamina

Snit

Holycannoli wrote: »

So my stamina sorc got jack squat this patch. Wtf am I supposed to do with my imperial bow sorc?

Perhaps lay out some feedback on what you think needs to change, in order to make Stamina Sorcs viable. I tried to start a discussion of that here:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/150932/stamina-sorcs-in-1-6#latest

All sorcs should want stamina variants to be effective. Options are good!

ginoboehm

Seravi wrote: »

Ugh I just started another sorc alt trying to go stamina with bow and either 2h or sword/shield. I am thinking I need to just delete her before I waste anymore time. I have a magic sorcerer V5 and don't want another one. Ugh time to look at being a templar? blah...

Yeah templar are awesome level one having different options is always fun and perhaps some day soon ™ zenimax will give a c*** about endgame and we can resurrect our poor poor sorceres again I know I will miss mine although I will send him farming in his nice shiny vicious ophidian outfit

jelliedsoup

Exstazik wrote: »

1.6.2- 2h+med or leave GJ ZOS

Meh used to be la and staffs...

Holycannoli

Snit wrote: »

Holycannoli wrote: »

So my stamina sorc got jack squat this patch. Wtf am I supposed to do with my imperial bow sorc?

Perhaps lay out some feedback on what you think needs to change, in order to make Stamina Sorcs viable. I tried to start a discussion of that here:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/150932/stamina-sorcs-in-1-6#latest

All sorcs should want stamina variants to be effective. Options are good!

Posted there but I doubt my opinions will be taken into consideration by ZOS.

RoyJade

Considering that the only opinion ZOS take in consideration has nerfed sorc to dead, I have the same feeling.

Saint_JiubB14_ESO

Holycannoli wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

Holycannoli wrote: »

So my stamina sorc got jack squat this patch. Wtf am I supposed to do with my imperial bow sorc?

Perhaps lay out some feedback on what you think needs to change, in order to make Stamina Sorcs viable. I tried to start a discussion of that here:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/150932/stamina-sorcs-in-1-6#latest

All sorcs should want stamina variants to be effective. Options are good!

Posted there but I doubt my opinions will be taken into consideration by ZOS.

You don't need to doubt, you know. Before 1.6 hit PTS we gave ZoS lots of feedback and concerns about the changes to Surge, it got 3 nerfs when 1.6 hit, and everything we told them was ignored.

But at least there are no more immersion breaking taco recipes out there, man that would have ruined the game for me if my sorc could make tacos, I mean **** skills, making tacos in TES, that is heresy.

LtCrunch

olsborg wrote: »

Kahrgan wrote: »

Still nothing for sorc in general.

This is very aggravating.

This. Where was the promised surge change? Id also like to get the cast time for twilight greatly reduced or just removed. 1.5 cast time is an eternity, and you cant cast it against any good players in pvp. It dies too fast anyway. Wards dont refresh on it either like on player.

It was in 1.6.1. When they made the base ability and both morphs provide healing and reduced the CD from 1sec down to 0.25sec. Really shouldn't have a CD at all, but they did change it as promised.

kkampaseb17_ESO

I have found a way to make a stamina sorc work with particular item sets and DW and reach 11-12k DPS in PvE with very good stamina sustain.

The problem is PvP. All survivability a stamina sorc can get is through Critical Surge (don't even tell me about the new Vigor and how it pales in comparison to any kind or form of damage shield) and that is the problem since Critical Surge is useless against damage shields which everyone and their mothers are using as magicka oriented characters. Something has to be done along these lines, aka fix how Critical Surge and procs work with damage shields.

P.S I am talking about DW/bow stamina sorcs and not 2h sorcs which have access to Rally which is a decent heal.

whitebeard00

Really confused by this thread... tried out stamina/magicka NB/DK and stamina Templar and Sorc on PTS... by far the most survivable and heavy hitting build has been the Sorc. Just a blur of lightning, lots of fun. Started a new stamina sorc just for this update.

kkampaseb17_ESO

whitebeard00 wrote: »

Really confused by this thread... tried out stamina/magicka NB/DK and stamina Templar and Sorc on PTS... by far the most survivable and heavy hitting build has been the Sorc. Just a blur of lightning, lots of fun. Started a new stamina sorc just for this update.

That has something to do with a 2h build though yes? Imo 2h works ok because it has a reliable heal and a gap closer along with an inherent ability to get distance (streak). The other stamina weapons aren't good.

Jar_Ek

A fix for crit surge would be for it to have no CD for that morph only. And if worried about multiple target heals, then put a heal cap on it (per 0.25 sec).

Derra

kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »

whitebeard00 wrote: »

Really confused by this thread... tried out stamina/magicka NB/DK and stamina Templar and Sorc on PTS... by far the most survivable and heavy hitting build has been the Sorc. Just a blur of lightning, lots of fun. Started a new stamina sorc just for this update.

That has something to do with a 2h build though yes? Imo 2h works ok because it has a reliable heal and a gap closer along with an inherent ability to get distance (streak). The other stamina weapons aren't good.

This guy. He´s pretty spot on.

olsborg

Sorc = weakest class, and we are still recieving nerfs...that is lol.

Exstazik

olsborg wrote: »

Sorc = weakest class, and we are still recieving nerfs...that is lol.

Simple solution: nerf sorc till "spellcrafting" and make spellcrafting skills/craft only for them.Others classes also will be able to use spellcarfting skills but 1 crafted scroll=1 skill.And only sorcs can craft them.Muhahaha

whitebeard00

Derra wrote: »

kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »

whitebeard00 wrote: »

Really confused by this thread... tried out stamina/magicka NB/DK and stamina Templar and Sorc on PTS... by far the most survivable and heavy hitting build has been the Sorc. Just a blur of lightning, lots of fun. Started a new stamina sorc just for this update.

That has something to do with a 2h build though yes? Imo 2h works ok because it has a reliable heal and a gap closer along with an inherent ability to get distance (streak). The other stamina weapons aren't good.

This guy. He´s pretty spot on.

Yes, exactly my point, sorc has some very cool abilities that have synergy w/ stamina builds.

kkampaseb17_ESO

whitebeard00 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »

whitebeard00 wrote: »

Really confused by this thread... tried out stamina/magicka NB/DK and stamina Templar and Sorc on PTS... by far the most survivable and heavy hitting build has been the Sorc. Just a blur of lightning, lots of fun. Started a new stamina sorc just for this update.

That has something to do with a 2h build though yes? Imo 2h works ok because it has a reliable heal and a gap closer along with an inherent ability to get distance (streak). The other stamina weapons aren't good.

This guy. He´s pretty spot on.

Yes, exactly my point, sorc has some very cool abilities that have synergy w/ stamina builds.

With very very specific stamina builds for very very specific reasons. This gives only the choice of only a few viable niche builds, not viable and variable stamina builds. It is you either go 2h or play something else atm.

Holycannoli

whitebeard00 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »

whitebeard00 wrote: »

Really confused by this thread... tried out stamina/magicka NB/DK and stamina Templar and Sorc on PTS... by far the most survivable and heavy hitting build has been the Sorc. Just a blur of lightning, lots of fun. Started a new stamina sorc just for this update.

That has something to do with a 2h build though yes? Imo 2h works ok because it has a reliable heal and a gap closer along with an inherent ability to get distance (streak). The other stamina weapons aren't good.

This guy. He´s pretty spot on.

Yes, exactly my point, sorc has some very cool abilities that have synergy w/ stamina builds.

Like what? Lightning Form and Bound Armaments?

Hridh

Holycannoli wrote: »

whitebeard00 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »

whitebeard00 wrote: »

Really confused by this thread... tried out stamina/magicka NB/DK and stamina Templar and Sorc on PTS... by far the most survivable and heavy hitting build has been the Sorc. Just a blur of lightning, lots of fun. Started a new stamina sorc just for this update.

That has something to do with a 2h build though yes? Imo 2h works ok because it has a reliable heal and a gap closer along with an inherent ability to get distance (streak). The other stamina weapons aren't good.

This guy. He´s pretty spot on.

Yes, exactly my point, sorc has some very cool abilities that have synergy w/ stamina builds.

Like what? Lightning Form and Bound Armaments?

Yeah, Id also be curious to know which. Otherwise, it woudn't take so much : just give us a stamina version of crystal frags (how about the other morph no one uses?), and at least one passive in dark magic or thunder which has some stamina bias. Not like we can use the advantage of stamina and magika at the same time, without caps!!

Father

Streak should scale of stamina ! mages wrath should scale of stamina ! I'm also a fan of encase so ya let shattering morph scale of stamina

Danisheraser

Why do you keep talking about stamine sorcs needs to be viable? It is the magicka builds that is behind. We can't parse nearly as high as stamina sorcs.

RoyJade

Both stamina and magicka sorc need a serious boost. The only sorc viable set in term of dps is a two-handed spamming uppercut… every other specialization should have a chance.
I'm speaking only about pve (in case of).

Hridh

you can't do dps while dead ; max stamina doesn't produce as much survivibility than max magika nuke+shield... Still, what are these "very cool abilities that have synergy w/ stamina builds" for sorc?

Derra

whitebeard00 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »

whitebeard00 wrote: »

Really confused by this thread... tried out stamina/magicka NB/DK and stamina Templar and Sorc on PTS... by far the most survivable and heavy hitting build has been the Sorc. Just a blur of lightning, lots of fun. Started a new stamina sorc just for this update.

That has something to do with a 2h build though yes? Imo 2h works ok because it has a reliable heal and a gap closer along with an inherent ability to get distance (streak). The other stamina weapons aren't good.

This guy. He´s pretty spot on.

Yes, exactly my point, sorc has some very cool abilities that have synergy w/ stamina builds.

Well but not exaclty much :P almost nothing apart from the streak 2h synergy and bol bow.

Hridh

and you can't exactly have both streak and BoL at the same time... how many class abilities can NBs, Templars, DKs use to complemente a stamina dps build ?

Kahrgan

ArconSeptim wrote: »

Kahrgan wrote: »

Still nothing for sorc in general.

This is very aggravating.

wth nothing for sorcs?look dks

The difference being that DKs were the best class in the game to the point of being OP. Great passives, great self heals, AMAZING ults, great tanking, and DPSing abilities... the list could go on.

Sorcs dont have AMAZING ults (especially now that negate was nerfed to the point of being useless), Atro is our only good one and its just straight damage and a stun but thats very situational. Overload is just weird to play as... while it does alot of damage now it's not really that "fun" imo.

Sorcs dont have GREAT self heals like a DK does, I would give my left *** for Green dragon blood.

Sorcs dont really have great tanking abilities. Increased armor from a toggle (ugh) and thundering presence is good.. but we have no pull, no reliable self heal, no awesome block passive, no health/stam/magi gain on ult use, no ult that reduces incoming damage, no stamina regen buff (thats also attached to DKs fantastic heal...) I'm sure I could think of more but I've rambled on enough.

Snit

whitebeard00 wrote: »

Really confused by this thread... tried out stamina/magicka NB/DK and stamina Templar and Sorc on PTS... by far the most survivable and heavy hitting build has been the Sorc.

Which sorc class abilities cause them to be "by far" the heaviest hitter?

RoyJade

Snit wrote: »

whitebeard00 wrote: »

Really confused by this thread... tried out stamina/magicka NB/DK and stamina Templar and Sorc on PTS... by far the most survivable and heavy hitting build has been the Sorc.

Which sorc class abilities cause them to be "by far" the heaviest hitter?

In pvp, 12k critical crystal frag and 15k light overload attack. Useless in pve ? Details, details, ZOS seem to don't care about pve anymore.
And yes, uppercut hit better.

Hridh

RoyJade wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

whitebeard00 wrote: »

Really confused by this thread... tried out stamina/magicka NB/DK and stamina Templar and Sorc on PTS... by far the most survivable and heavy hitting build has been the Sorc.

Which sorc class abilities cause them to be "by far" the heaviest hitter?

In pvp, 12k critical crystal frag and 15k light overload attack. Useless in pve ? Details, details, ZOS seem to don't care about pve anymore.
And yes, uppercut hit better.

I think an ultimate and a magika based ability do not belong in this thread regarding Stam sorceror ability... or do you hit 12K frags with a stam build? please share your new build with a useful class ability stam morph

RoyJade

I was ironic ^^
In pvp, I can do these damage with a pure magicka build. it's very powerful in pvp, where big immediate burst are really strong. We can't have a good dps with that (only 2h uppercut spam can have 12K dps on a sorcerer).
I'm talking about magicka build because a large amount of sorc nerf come from the "over-powerfull magicka sorcerer" in pvp. It's only them who can hit heavier than another classes. But only with burst damage.

Hridh

I can only believe the comments that magika based sorceror has no sufficient dps in PVE. For PVP, crystal frags as burst dps has more chances to reflect back at yourself than anything else....