Sorc 1.6.2 changes ... still nothing for stamina

Erock25

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Sorcerer

• Daedric Summoning
  • Summon Storm Atronach: Fixed an issue where this ability was only scaling off your magicka stats, but not your stamina stats. It will now correctly pick the largest value.
• Dark Magic
  • Exploitation: Removed the graphical effects from this passive due to it being too difficult to notice and causing performance issues.

ZOS .... why no stamina fixes for Sorc? I'm sorry but Bound Armaments (a weak toggle) and Dark Channel (melee players can not rely on a channel for stamina managemtn!!!!) are not sufficient stamina morphs for a Sorcerer. THE ONLY thing stamina sorc had going for it was being able to stack weapon dmg buffs higher than other classes and now that is gone so we have nothing. It is imperative that you give sorc some stamina love, please. I suggest Crystal Blast be changed to a stamina version of Crystal Frag. It has to be instant procced and perhaps have it be melee range only.

Kahrgan

Still nothing for sorc in general.

This is very aggravating.

Derra

Kahrgan wrote: »

Still nothing for sorc in general.

This is very aggravating.

This.

Artemiisia

sors are awesome in pvp, but sucks in pve still

Erock25

Artemiisia wrote: »

magicka sors are awesome in pvp, but sucks in pve still

I fixed that for you. Stamina sorc has nothing in PVP either.

Jitterbug

Exstazik

1.6.2- 2h+med or leave GJ ZOS

xaraan

Yeah, their Bound Armor isn't that great, they need to work on something a bit better (esp for such a cool looking armor now) and the Stamina return should really work more like the power from Mages Guild or maybe you hit it like a toggle and it keeps giving you stamina for magicka while you can still fight instead of having to channel it.

They still need to fix some of the stamina values IMO and get rid of the nerf they created to make room for the champion system. Block, CC break, dodge roll are all too expensive right now. Players shouldn't have to spend months working just to get back to where they already were.

Takuto

I suggest Crystal Blast be changed to a stamina version of Crystal Frag. It has to be instant procced and perhaps have it be melee range only.

A stamina based version of crystal frags that gave the passive healing from "Blood Magic" would be a dream come true, even with heavy limitations such as melee range.

Snit

Changes needed for stamina sorcs:

- Fix Crit Surge by removing the cooldown, or at least make it not trigger on DoT's or tiny tics from Lightning Form. Stamina sorcs can't use shields the way magicka sorcs can.
- Make at least one pet's DPS vary by the higher of magicka or stamina, to give them another build option
- Make Capacitor (Storm Calling passive) apply to the higher of magicka or stamina

I don't think stamina sorcs are too far off. A couple minor tweaks are needed, though. That said, I've spent hours testing them. Others have spent days or weeks of playtime doing so, and may have better ideas

sabresandiego_ESO

Stamina sorcs are not viable in PVP, Hybrid sorcs are viable but not optimal. Full Magicka sorcs remain the best for pvp.

Snit

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

Stamina sorcs are not viable in PVP, Hybrid sorcs are viable but not optimal. Full Magicka sorcs remain the best for pvp.

I'm sorry to hear that -- I am growing an Imperial 2H sorc, hoping to be on the other end of those 20k critical charges What would it take to make stamina sorcs viable?

Snit

Re: Crushing Shock/ Force Shock change...

I assume this was to differentiate the two morphs, as I have literally never heard of anyone choose Force Pulse before. Now, there is a reason to take it.

Still, these spells are the core of sorc DPS, and I wonder if anyone was parsing sorc DPS and finding it to be unusually high?

EDIT: Force Pulse does NOT provide increased damage. The tooltip is wrong, or the skill is bugged.

XEVENEX

and no fix for fragment not procing on streak and encase

Snit

XEVENEX wrote: »

and no fix for fragment not procing on streak and encase

Maybe there's a ninja-fix.

(It's possible!). I'm going to pop in and try it, and re-/bug it if it remains broken.

EDIT: Test Results (TLDR - It's Still Broken)

Tested/ Results:

Bolt Escape/ Streak: Do not proc CF under any circumstances
Encase/ Shattering Prison: Do not proc CF *unless they hit a target*, then they do.


Lightning Form/ Thundering Presence: Do proc CF
Daedric Mines: Do proc CF
Lightning Splash/ Lighting Flood: Do proc CF
Surge/ Power Surge: Do proc CF
Conjured Ward/ Hardened Ward: Do proc CF

XEVENEX

crushing shock damage already sucked... now its worse

Flaminir

XEVENEX wrote: »

crushing shock damage already sucked... now its worse

It already took a stealth nerf for Sorcs when they reduced the relative % damage increase from surge..

So this is actually the second nerf to it from a Sorc perspective!

Danisheraser

What is wrong with people!??? Still no stamina love??

Could we try and get magicka builds just on par with stamina first? Every good stamina build out there, parses far higher than any magicka build. Where is the balance in that???

Tired of seeing how ZOS punishes sorcs, because other classes benefits too much of...Lets say Crushing Shock? Give sorcs some magicka damage abilties, like crushing shock, that doesn't make us rely on destruction staff so much.

ArconSeptim

Kahrgan wrote: »

Still nothing for sorc in general.

This is very aggravating.

wth nothing for sorcs?look dks

ArconSeptim

sorcs people biggest whiners in the game really never happy, but when you have the biggest dps in the game with NB then nothing...

Exstazik

11.02.2015- Magicka Sorc RIP ty ZOS
*Waiting for class respect

Flaminir

Exstazik wrote: »

11.02.2015- Magicka Sorc RIP ty ZOS
*Waiting for class respect

Start the re-roll now... be quick & you'll be vet in a few days & will then earn CP when 1.6 goes live.

Templar actually feels like quite a nice caster class now.

Exstazik

davedwildebeast wrote: »

Exstazik wrote: »

11.02.2015- Magicka Sorc RIP ty ZOS
*Waiting for class respect

Start the re-roll now... be quick & you'll be vet in a few days & will then earn CP when 1.6 goes live.

Templar actually feels like quite a nice caster class now.

re-roll with 13 000+ achievements?it's crazy idea.....will wait class respec in Crown Store or just leave the game.

Ezareth

Just wanted to mention that BoL procs CF as of my last PTS testing, Streak and Bolt Escape must be bugged.

olsborg

Kahrgan wrote: »

Still nothing for sorc in general.

This is very aggravating.

This. Where was the promised surge change? Id also like to get the cast time for twilight greatly reduced or just removed. 1.5 cast time is an eternity, and you cant cast it against any good players in pvp. It dies too fast anyway. Wards dont refresh on it either like on player.

Erock25

I don't get these people saying RIP magicka sorc in their signatures. Stamina sorc literally has nothing going for it.

Snit

The Crushing Shock change is really more a PvP nerf. For PvE, it just means you have to pick the Force Pulse morph now. That still does full damage.

EDIT: Force Pulse does NOT provide increased damage. The tooltip is wrong, or the skill is bugged.

RoyJade

Both stamina and magicka sorcerer are weak now. Each 1.6 patch nerfed them over nd over.
I'm afraid about 1.6.4 now. Our ulti-reduction passive nerfed ? Overcharge re-nerfed ? Oh no, perhaps a nerf for hardened ward "because sorc shield are too powerful".

Holycannoli

So my stamina sorc got jack squat this patch. Wtf am I supposed to do with my imperial bow sorc?? He's my main, my next highest character is only level 10.

I have to reroll to altmer and be pure magicka if I want to continue as a sorc, and I don't have the time or desire to do all that again. Omg the skyshards alone.

I'm getting pissed.

Seravi

Ugh I just started another sorc alt trying to go stamina with bow and either 2h or sword/shield. I am thinking I need to just delete her before I waste anymore time. I have a magic sorcerer V5 and don't want another one. Ugh time to look at being a templar? blah...

ItsRejectz

Exstazik wrote: »

davedwildebeast wrote: »

Exstazik wrote: »

11.02.2015- Magicka Sorc RIP ty ZOS
*Waiting for class respect

Start the re-roll now... be quick & you'll be vet in a few days & will then earn CP when 1.6 goes live.

Templar actually feels like quite a nice caster class now.

re-roll with 13 000+ achievements?it's crazy idea.....will wait class respec in Crown Store or just leave the game.

After a year with my sorc, I have finally shelved him. It's actually made me pretty gutted about it... I have maxed out mages / undaunted guilds and got every skyshard and book in game and have about 80% of the achievements. It feels though I have wasted the last year on my character, all because ZOS don't seem to know what to do with Sorcs.
All the other 3 classes can dps/tank/heal but we are shoehorned down just one path, dps! We feel strong in PTS now, but as soon as ZOS address damage sheids and shield stacking (which they have already said they are ) we are going to be in an even worse place.
So, it's a sad time, but he's sitting there and won't be used for the foreseeable future and my new nightblade has the tedious task of doing it all again