Heavy armour/Medium armour/Light armour

Exstazik

*Reduce cost/recovery rate for
Heavy:HP
Medium:Stamina
Magicka:Mana

Dracane

No statement from you ? I like it, when people make statements about their researches and tell us, what they think about it.

So: Nice list, but I have no clue what to say.

Exstazik

Dracane wrote: »

No statement from you ? I like it, when people make statements about their researches and tell us, what they think about it.

So: Nice list, but I have no clue what to say.

My statement:
Light:Spell resistance debuff should be reworked with 12% penetration
Heavy:Max health should be 14%
Medium:emmm....they have too much bonuses...I have no clue what to say.

GreyBrow

tl;dr:

they dun F*#)@#@ up

1.6 = medium armor or GTFO

DeLindsay

I will have to look a the Medium Armor one to compare to Live because I could swear it's still only 3% Sprint, not 21% Movement Speed. But alas, PTS just went down for maint.

Dracane

Exstazik wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

No statement from you ? I like it, when people make statements about their researches and tell us, what they think about it.

So: Nice list, but I have no clue what to say.

My statement:
Light:Spell resistance debuff should be reworked with 12% penetration
Heavy:Max health should be 14%
Medium:emmm....they have too much bonuses...I have no clue what to say.

That's what I wanted to hear ( and what was also my opinion)
Thank you

Solanum

Golly am I glad with the health recovery on plate, such an amazing stat

Carter_DC

Seems to me u forgot one parameter in this table : base armor rating and spell resist.

given that LA only has 1/4 of HA, this point is worth mentionning when trying to compare.
I, for one think that the 1/1 armor/spell resist is pure bullsh!t. And succeds onl in making LA plain useless.

Soulac

Exstazik wrote: »

*Reduce cost/recovery rate for
Heavy:HP
Medium:Stamina
Magicka:Mana

Medium Armor dodge reduction isn't 7 x 4%, it's 7 x 3,5%.
Test it.

Snit

Medium Armor/ Stam builds are really good now.

Dracane

And medium and heavy armor gets 2 bonuses on some passives. So 2 benefits in 1 passive and light armor only gets 1 benefit per passive.

There are more things, light armor could give us. Especially since it got nerfed in an outragous way in 1.6: Non existing armor and spell resistance. The spell resistance passive could be removed, as it does not really help us anyway (in 1.5 it did, now it's only there to fill a gap)

Light armor gives no spell penetration anymore. It has a proc chance to give 980 spell pen, which is nothing. Just like Bound Armor (Sorcerer ability) gives you 980 armor, which is a joke.

I would like to see these underwhelming passives to be removed. We need promised and reasonable spell penetration and how about a bonus to Magicka or spell damage ? O.o why is that not in the game already ? Light armor should benefit your Magicka pool or the strenght of your spells. But it doesn't.

Pirhana7_ESO

look at the test server update for 6.2 they upgraded stuff

Exstazik

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

look at the test server update for 6.2 they upgraded stuff

read only notes....and TESO in 1.6.2=2h medium+heavy build

P.S.Updating client.Will post after checking

DeLindsay

Just checked both Live and 1.6.2 PTS, it is in fact only 3% Sprint speed total, not 21% Movement speed. The bonus per piece only applies to Dodge Roll.

Soulac

Reduction is 2,6% instead of 3%
Dodgeroll reduction is 3,5% instead of 4%
Reduction on Sets (like Seducer and co.) is 86,66667% of the Percentage and not 8%.
And every formula changed quit a bit.

Alcast

Exstazik wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

No statement from you ? I like it, when people make statements about their researches and tell us, what they think about it.

So: Nice list, but I have no clue what to say.

My statement:
Light:Spell resistance debuff should be reworked with 12% penetration
Heavy:Max health should be 14%
Medium:emmm....they have too much bonuses...I have no clue what to say.

Mediu got the most bonuses, though 3 of them are completely f..useless.
Detection Area, Sneak cost, increased movement speed. PvE wise.

Lord_Draevan

Just want to point out, medium increases sprinting movement speed, not overall movement speed.

"Athletics (Passive): Increases sprint Movement Speed by X% per piece of Medium Armor equipped"

DeLindsay

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Just want to point out, medium increases sprinting movement speed, not overall movement speed.

"Athletics (Passive): Increases sprint Movement Speed by X% per piece of Medium Armor equipped"

You're reading that wrong. The Sprint speed is a static 3%, Dodge Roll is the only part of that skill that gains X% per piece worn.

Lord_Draevan

DeLindsay wrote: »

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Just want to point out, medium increases sprinting movement speed, not overall movement speed.

"Athletics (Passive): Increases sprint Movement Speed by X% per piece of Medium Armor equipped"

You're reading that wrong. The Sprint speed is a static 3%, Dodge Roll is the only part of that skill that gains X% per piece worn.

My mistake. Still, it's sprint movement, not overall movement.

DeLindsay

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

DeLindsay wrote: »

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Just want to point out, medium increases sprinting movement speed, not overall movement speed.

"Athletics (Passive): Increases sprint Movement Speed by X% per piece of Medium Armor equipped"

You're reading that wrong. The Sprint speed is a static 3%, Dodge Roll is the only part of that skill that gains X% per piece worn.

My mistake. Still, it's sprint movement, not overall movement.

Indeed.

Lord_Draevan

Actually I'm not sure about that, I sprint much faster than a mere 3% faster in medium, or so it seems. I'll check tonight when I get home, if it says "current bonus: 21% and 28%" then it's also for sprint, if it just says "current bonus: 28%" then it's only for the roll.

AshySamurai

In 1.6.2 Medium provide more crit chanse (~12% or so). OP need to check that too.

DeLindsay

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Actually I'm not sure about that, I sprint much faster than a mere 3% faster in medium, or so it seems. I'll check tonight when I get home, if it says "current bonus: 21% and 28%" then it's also for sprint, if it just says "current bonus: 28%" then it's only for the roll.

Here is the exact wording for that Passive as 2/2 (with me wearing 7/7 Medium):

"Increases your Movement Speed while sprinting by 3% and reduces the Stamina cost of dodge rolling by 4% per piece of Medium Armor equipped.

Current dodge roll bonus: 28%"

DeLindsay

AshySamurai wrote: »

In 1.6.2 Medium provide more crit chanse (~12% or so). OP need to check that too.

It's a strange value actually with 7/7.

2099 = 10% exactly (Light Armor Passive, Inner Light ability).
2204 = 7/7 Medium (10.5%)

Dracane

Simply give light armor real and higher spell pen, and Spell damage (this is a must in my opinion)

But I also think, heavy armor could give a higher health bonus ( I am no heavy armor user, but I am not selfish) Medium armor is strong enough. It is the only armor in the game, which increases the damage output in a significant way.

Lord_Draevan

Also, OP forgot that Heavy armor also increases damage per piece equipped.
"Juggernaut" increases weapon damage with melee attacks by X% per piece of Heavy Armor equipped, and also reduces cost of break free.
Medium increases it more, but Heavy also increases melee damage.

EDIT: Patch notes says it's getting removed in 1.6. Shame.

Lord_Draevan

Duplicate

Dracane

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Also, OP forgot that Heavy armor also increases damage per piece equipped.
"Juggernaut" increases weapon damage with melee attacks by X% per piece of Heavy Armor equipped, and also reduces cost of break free.
Medium increases it more, but Heavy also increases melee damage.

I think, this got removed from the game in 1.6. At least the break free passive.

technohic

I'm using medium but with the 1.6.x changes; I really feel light should at least be bumped up to 2/4 of the protection of heavy rather than just 1/4 and agree with other posts on penetration being a percentage, etc.

Heavy armor needs more resource management. I would start with reducing the timer on generation from being hit.

I would like to see light be the most damage focused in Magicka. Stamina slightly better damage reduction and most damaged focused in stamina, but that should not be as high as magicka. Then Heavy be tanky and offer a hybrid of the 2 being slightly lower in both magicka and stamina.

Lord_Draevan

Dracane wrote: »

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Also, OP forgot that Heavy armor also increases damage per piece equipped.
"Juggernaut" increases weapon damage with melee attacks by X% per piece of Heavy Armor equipped, and also reduces cost of break free.
Medium increases it more, but Heavy also increases melee damage.

I think, this got removed from the game in 1.6. At least the break free passive.

Just checked the patch notes, yeah it got removed. My Heavy dps is gonna do 7% less damage in 1.6

Not a huge nerf, but still annoying...

Lord_Draevan

Duplicate.