[Video] Siphoning Attacks vs Shields - Dev Response Appreciated

Brizz · February 2015

I have tested and confirmed that siphoning attacks is not working against shielded targets. This has become a much larger problem in 1.6 because shields have become exponentially stronger, rendering this great ability nearly useless. Here is the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm0YZacna-I

After rewatching the video, the only time that there is any return of stamina/magicka is when the shields break and damage is shown. Some say that this is intended and not a bug at all, and I would like this officially clarified if that is the case.

"While toggled, basic weapon attacks restore 3% Magicka and Stamina, but Weapon and Spell Damage reduced by 24%. 10% chance all attacks to restore 15% Magicka and Stamina."

The tooltip reads that it is supposed to give the resource return "on attack" and not "on damage' so I do hope that it is a bug.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler
If it is indeed intentional, then I will have to alter my build significantly and possibly remove this ability all together. Please let us know either way.

PS

My solution: Let players keep the damage shields, but allow proc abilities and crit damage to calculate as if there was no shield active. At the same time allow shields to inherit all armor and spell resistance as well, so that players can utilize both types of abilities if they wish to make their shields stronger.

ThatHappyCat · February 2015

It was brought up before and the Devs said it was intended.

That said, balance has changed dramatically and it's possible they may revise that position as PTS goes on.

timidobserver · February 2015

Going by the wording of the description, any attack that lands against something should return magicka/stamina given that the return isn't directly related to how much damage you do.

The only thing that shouldn't work on shields are things that are triggered by damage being done to your opponents health.

RoyJade · February 2015

Actually, shield prevent from ANY other effect than pure damage against the shield himself. No proc, no crit, no dot…
I don't know if it's a bug or if it's intended, but we have to deal with that, unless ZOS change that on the 1.6.2.

DDuke · February 2015

RoyJade wrote: »

Actually, shield prevent from ANY other effect than pure damage against the shield himself. No proc, no crit, no dot…
I don't know if it's a bug or if it's intended, but we have to deal with that, unless ZOS change that on the 1.6.2.

It's been like that for a while...

I conducted tests back in September: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/131578/dmg-shields-working-as-intended/p1

Beleron · February 2015

umm. shields are just too strong now and need to be reduced. Maybe make it so that while using a shield you get zero regen to all pools. SO u have to juggle your shields and swap strategies back and forth.

RoyJade · February 2015

Don't nerf the shield too much, it's the only tool full light armor uses have.
Perhaps if non offensive procs (ultimate, siphoning strike, all who not concern the shield user) can happen, it will be better balanced without being too much nerfed.

Brizz · February 2015

DDuke wrote: »

RoyJade wrote: »

Actually, shield prevent from ANY other effect than pure damage against the shield himself. No proc, no crit, no dot…
I don't know if it's a bug or if it's intended, but we have to deal with that, unless ZOS change that on the 1.6.2.

It's been like that for a while...

I conducted tests back in September: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/131578/dmg-shields-working-as-intended/p1

Was there ever an official answer as to whether these things were intended or not? Shields are exponentially stronger in 1.6 so proc based abilities will be nearly useless.

Dracane · February 2015

Cool, I'm in the video for a few seconds

(Your dog is sooooo cute

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DDuke · February 2015

Brizz wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

RoyJade wrote: »

Actually, shield prevent from ANY other effect than pure damage against the shield himself. No proc, no crit, no dot…
I don't know if it's a bug or if it's intended, but we have to deal with that, unless ZOS change that on the 1.6.2.

It's been like that for a while...

I conducted tests back in September: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/131578/dmg-shields-working-as-intended/p1

Was there ever an official answer as to whether these things were intended or not? Shields are exponentially stronger in 1.6 so proc based abilities will be nearly useless.

Nope, they just ignored my thread & research, as usual.

I actually predicted there'd be problems with shields, way before PTS (or B2P announcement even):
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/143544/champion-system-its-implications-on-build-diversity-in-pvp

Turns out we didn't even have to count in the numerous dmg shield passives, before issues started popping up... sometimes I just wish they'd listen.

Brizz · February 2015

I don't think that it is them ignoring us, I think that it is more along the lines of them not knowing themselves. Usually when a dev response is this delayed, they are deciding within whether or not this is a problem and how to go about fixing it.

My solution: Let players keep the damage shields, but allow proc abilities and crit damage to calculate as if there was no shield active. At the same time allow shields to inherit all armor and spell resistance as well, so that players can utilize both if they wish to make their shields stronger.

Shuichi · February 2015

Siphoning attacks and it's morph should certainly proc off of shielded targets, if you're using an ability to mitigate my damage, my attacks that leech your energy should still leech from your shield. It just makes logical sense when you think about it

TheBull · February 2015

Well while your at it you should be pleased to know that abilities that proc on attack do no register against shields. You can't gain ult on shielded targets either...

Sorcerer master race.

yodased · February 2015

You dont gain ultimate buff from hitting a shield target neither so that's fun too.

Rydik · February 2015

In reality now half of skills of every classes is useless vs shields, they just don't work at all. I hope that they change this, if not, then pvp become boring as scandinavian hell...

davedesigns · February 2015

So what you're saying is - Nightblades are screwed once again?

Brizz · February 2015

Intended or not intended? Working on it or leaving as is? Undecided on how we want to go about this at the moment? Any response is a good one ZOS

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@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_JasonLeavey @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_MichaelServotte

Brizz · February 2015

My Dragon Knight will be leveled if siphoning attacks are going to stay as-is. Would love a response so that I know if my time is being wasted or not.

kkampaseb17_ESO · February 2015

Brizz wrote: »

Let players keep the damage shields, but allow proc abilities and crit damage to calculate as if there was no shield active.

This is the proper solution.

Brizz · February 2015

GOOD NEWS!! I have been told by multiple other players that in the last "ask us anything" that this skill...

IS GETTING FIXED VS SHIELDS!!

Great news, I'm glad we got their attention.

Asgari · February 2015

Brizz wrote: »

GOOD NEWS!! I have been told by multiple other players that in the last "ask us anything" that this skill...

IS GETTING FIXED VS SHIELDS!!

Great news, I'm glad we got their attention.

Shields are also getting a massive nerf in 1.6.3

F7sus4 · February 2015

Brizz wrote: »

Usually when a dev response is this delayed, they are deciding within whether or not this is a problem and how to go about fixing it.

No problem with that assuming devs are knowledgeable about their own product. Which is not valid in here.