Sorcerer in 1.6.1

ZRage

I had vr 12 sorc and it was fine, pre-buff time. Now lol it just looks like some people want to play even more OP class. Try nightblade if you think sorc is squishy.

xherics

ZRage wrote: »

I had vr 12 sorc and it was fine, pre-buff time. Now lol it just looks like some people want to play even more OP class. Try nightblade if you think sorc is squishy.

You probably did not play sorc for more than half year... so, would be nice to be psssst ;-) NB do almost the same DPS than DK! Sorc? A half..

Robbmrp

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Speaking as a fan of Elder Scrolls I would absolutely love it if my Sorc could use Chain Lightning or Conjure up some atronachs or have an ice cloak or whatever.

Now these are spells that Sorcerer's should ALREADY have. Get rid of liquid lightning and add in Chained Lightning for AoE damage. Have it hit a total of up to 5 people at once. Why not have a DPS spell when casted summons 3-5 atronachs to pound on a single target. This could replace the Clan Fear. People don't want to use the pet anyway. Give them a more viable DPS spell.

Any of these would help give Sorc's a much needed DPS boost.

OtarTheMad

Robbmrp wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Speaking as a fan of Elder Scrolls I would absolutely love it if my Sorc could use Chain Lightning or Conjure up some atronachs or have an ice cloak or whatever.

Now these are spells that Sorcerer's should ALREADY have. Get rid of liquid lightning and add in Chained Lightning for AoE damage. Have it hit a total of up to 5 people at once. Why not have a DPS spell when casted summons 3-5 atronachs to pound on a single target. This could replace the Clan Fear. People don't want to use the pet anyway. Give them a more viable DPS spell.

Any of these would help give Sorc's a much needed DPS boost.

I agree. You could also give us more than lightning spells, maybe frost. Everyone has fire resist glyphs they use, need to make the other element damage viable. I shouldn't have to carry a Destruction staff to get dish out different elemental damage.

Magdalina

xherics wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Well i have to admit my post on dmg abilities was a little bit oversimplyfied.

Sorc has access to abilities that exceed the potential of their standard nuke. It would look something like:

Destructive Reach (every 8s), Curse (every 4s), CS (filler), Fragments (priority when procced), degeneration (every 20s second bar) inner light is mandatory and the benefit of curse over 8% max magica from bound aegis is debateable.

I don´t think proccs from fragments will be enough to compete with ~3300 dps coming from pets (this was tested in pvp might be a little less in pve def. not much though).

Already tested this, no more sust. dps than 8k. I tried every possible combinations on single target, but it was not more than 8k sust. DPS.
It can be like 11k-12k while the atronach or the meteor is used and they make the DoT, but after the ultimate ends, the dps goes down back to 8k.

This just makes me sad:( I was unfortunately away while NA had their characters access and can't test my main right now but you seem to be using every combination I(and anyone else out there) could think of and more. And apparently it's still not good enough - that on top of having our only heal nerfed into uselessness and being pigeonholed into all the pet toggles. I suppose it might be time to level my baby DK. Or find a new game.

Or hope they fix something before it goes live, but doesn't look like I should be holding my breath.

Vis

Cody wrote: »

be literally impossible to kill for 3-4 of us.....

I call bs. Unless you are all just banging your heads on the keyboard. Actually, even then I call bs.

OtarTheMad

Magdalina wrote: »

xherics wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Well i have to admit my post on dmg abilities was a little bit oversimplyfied.

Sorc has access to abilities that exceed the potential of their standard nuke. It would look something like:

Destructive Reach (every 8s), Curse (every 4s), CS (filler), Fragments (priority when procced), degeneration (every 20s second bar) inner light is mandatory and the benefit of curse over 8% max magica from bound aegis is debateable.

I don´t think proccs from fragments will be enough to compete with ~3300 dps coming from pets (this was tested in pvp might be a little less in pve def. not much though).

Already tested this, no more sust. dps than 8k. I tried every possible combinations on single target, but it was not more than 8k sust. DPS.
It can be like 11k-12k while the atronach or the meteor is used and they make the DoT, but after the ultimate ends, the dps goes down back to 8k.

This just makes me sad:( I was unfortunately away while NA had their characters access and can't test my main right now but you seem to be using every combination I(and anyone else out there) could think of and more. And apparently it's still not good enough - that on top of having our only heal nerfed into uselessness and being pigeonholed into all the pet toggles. I suppose it might be time to level my baby DK. Or find a new game.

Or hope they fix something before it goes live, but doesn't look like I should be holding my breath.

Agreed. This update today to PTS is Round 2 for the NA Server characters though, so test away man.

Pyatra

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

xherics wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Well i have to admit my post on dmg abilities was a little bit oversimplyfied.

Sorc has access to abilities that exceed the potential of their standard nuke. It would look something like:

Destructive Reach (every 8s), Curse (every 4s), CS (filler), Fragments (priority when procced), degeneration (every 20s second bar) inner light is mandatory and the benefit of curse over 8% max magica from bound aegis is debateable.

I don´t think proccs from fragments will be enough to compete with ~3300 dps coming from pets (this was tested in pvp might be a little less in pve def. not much though).

Already tested this, no more sust. dps than 8k. I tried every possible combinations on single target, but it was not more than 8k sust. DPS.
It can be like 11k-12k while the atronach or the meteor is used and they make the DoT, but after the ultimate ends, the dps goes down back to 8k.

This just makes me sad:( I was unfortunately away while NA had their characters access and can't test my main right now but you seem to be using every combination I(and anyone else out there) could think of and more. And apparently it's still not good enough - that on top of having our only heal nerfed into uselessness and being pigeonholed into all the pet toggles. I suppose it might be time to level my baby DK. Or find a new game.

Or hope they fix something before it goes live, but doesn't look like I should be holding my breath.

Agreed. This update today to PTS is Round 2 for the NA Server characters though, so test away man.

I wish the 1.6.2 patch notes were up already. Gotta do something at work to avoid work.

Robbmrp

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I agree. You could also give us more than lightning spells, maybe frost. Everyone has fire resist glyphs they use, need to make the other element damage viable. I shouldn't have to carry a Destruction staff to get dish out different elemental damage.

Yeah. The Chained Lightning Spell could be Chained Damage and based on the Staff your using. So the effect would vary depending on the staff you have.

If you have a Resto staff equipped it could do normal magic damage.

Since they are basically requiring Sorcerers to use a Resto staff for heals, they should incorporate it within the existing spells.

Robbmrp

Pyatra wrote: »

I wish the 1.6.2 patch notes were up already. Gotta do something at work to avoid work.

I hear ya!

Magdalina

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

xherics wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Well i have to admit my post on dmg abilities was a little bit oversimplyfied.

Sorc has access to abilities that exceed the potential of their standard nuke. It would look something like:

Destructive Reach (every 8s), Curse (every 4s), CS (filler), Fragments (priority when procced), degeneration (every 20s second bar) inner light is mandatory and the benefit of curse over 8% max magica from bound aegis is debateable.

I don´t think proccs from fragments will be enough to compete with ~3300 dps coming from pets (this was tested in pvp might be a little less in pve def. not much though).

Already tested this, no more sust. dps than 8k. I tried every possible combinations on single target, but it was not more than 8k sust. DPS.
It can be like 11k-12k while the atronach or the meteor is used and they make the DoT, but after the ultimate ends, the dps goes down back to 8k.

This just makes me sad:( I was unfortunately away while NA had their characters access and can't test my main right now but you seem to be using every combination I(and anyone else out there) could think of and more. And apparently it's still not good enough - that on top of having our only heal nerfed into uselessness and being pigeonholed into all the pet toggles. I suppose it might be time to level my baby DK. Or find a new game.

Or hope they fix something before it goes live, but doesn't look like I should be holding my breath.

Agreed. This update today to PTS is Round 2 for the NA Server characters though, so test away man.

Oooo it is? I didn't know that, thanks!

*braces self for much pain and suffering*>.>

Tankqull

Derra wrote: »

Jar_Ek wrote: »

One additional problem to note is that stamina sorcerer s and hybrids are doomed in 1.6.1 as the stamina morphs do not include any real damage skills or indeed any stamina skills that scale with stamina. So they do not get anywhere near as much benefit from min/maxing... plus crit surge is still pretty RNG reliant and the stamina regeneration potential causes a cc effect.

Well and the partially interesting stamina morph of bound armamend is a freaking toggle. Does anybody like toggles in this game? Why do they even exist.

remove all toggles but pets and switch back to the beta system of toggles (wich then contains only pets).

@ZOS regarding surge for god sake simply sum up all crits within one second and install a cap of lets say 800hps that can be healed.

Snit

1.6 sorc = ToggleMancers.

I'm not thrilled by this development

Emma_Overload

I'm fine with toggles, but why can't they just take up one slot instead of two?

Derra

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

I'm fine with toggles, but why can't they just take up one slot instead of two?

It was something along the lines of players having passive toggle and timed buffs bar and one active combat bar.
Without requiring two skillslots pet would be too strong now.

Emma_Overload

Tankqull wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Jar_Ek wrote: »

One additional problem to note is that stamina sorcerer s and hybrids are doomed in 1.6.1 as the stamina morphs do not include any real damage skills or indeed any stamina skills that scale with stamina. So they do not get anywhere near as much benefit from min/maxing... plus crit surge is still pretty RNG reliant and the stamina regeneration potential causes a cc effect.

Well and the partially interesting stamina morph of bound armamend is a freaking toggle. Does anybody like toggles in this game? Why do they even exist.

@ZOS regarding surge for god sake simply sum up all crits within one second and install a cap of lets say 800hps that can be healed.

No, that won't work, because you'll die in 2 seconds whenever you face a tough group of monsters.

Surge heals need to scale up with outgoing AOE damage, otherwise the combined incoming damage from all the mobs will kill you first!

ItsRejectz

ZRage wrote: »

I had vr 12 sorc and it was fine, pre-buff time. Now lol it just looks like some people want to play even more OP class. Try nightblade if you think sorc is squishy.

When did you last play the game? Seriously? Nightblades probably have the best dps in 1.5 and a hell of a lot more survivability than sorcs