Sorcerer in 1.6.1

ItsRejectz

So after watching the live stream I was looking forward to 1.6.1, after they stated they had seen the community calling for Sorcerers to be buffed. Well, the daedric mines buff didn't happen like they said and we got a nice Negate nerf to.
Yes the surge cool down is a much needed fix, but it just feels like ZOS either, don't like Sorcs or don't know what to do with them.

Unless sorcs go for a crit build they will still need to rely on the restoration staff and stacking shields. Why is it all other 3 classes have good instant heals and syphons yet sorcs get a shity one with cast time and one that relies on crits?

Also, why is it the classes with the best heals also have the best dps on PTS... Just don't understand what you are doing with the class

Gorthax

ZoS has no clue what they are doing.....lets face it. My sorc will probably be shelved.

ItsRejectz

Gorthax wrote: »

ZoS has no clue what they are doing.....lets face it. My sorc will probably be shelved.

Mine is shelved .. I only stuck with it this long because of all the time it took to unlock meteor, didn't want it to be wasted time. Guess it was....

aco5712

Id rather have a class shield then stupid HoTs (NB speaking)

sorc is ridiculously OP in 1.6. Crushing shock builds are wrecking face. They are extremely hard to fight coz the amount of pressure they put on you is absurd.

technohic

I'm wondering with Negate being changed, will it remove peoples damage shields when cast now?

Seraphyel

The real issue is or was to give Templars a full tree dedicated on healing. That totally destroys the balance of the game.

Give every class the skills to be an equal healer or no class - but to give a class a tree full of great heals and to give the crap to the resto staff is just dumb.

ItsRejectz

aco5712 wrote: »

Id rather have a class shield then stupid HoTs (NB speaking)

sorc is ridiculously OP in 1.6. Crushing shock builds are wrecking face. They are extremely hard to fight coz the amount of pressure they put on you is absurd.

Crushing shock is not a sorcerer skill.. Any class can use crushing shock.

aco5712

ItsRejectz wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

Id rather have a class shield then stupid HoTs (NB speaking)

sorc is ridiculously OP in 1.6. Crushing shock builds are wrecking face. They are extremely hard to fight coz the amount of pressure they put on you is absurd.

Crushing shock is not a sorcerer skill.. Any class can use crushing shock.

i said crushing shock builds. Your frag is very powerful when insta cast, which is procced super easy with crushing shock. Vel curse packs a bunch also. You can easy burst for 10-15k in a second if you timed it right.

cozmon3c_ESO

Always nightblades trying to hijack every thread wtf.

Anyway I was wondering if streak still goes through block as it wasn't mentioned and I'm still at work so I can't test it.

And here is the stuff pertains to sorc

"Sorcerer
Dark Magic
Blood Magic: Increased healing on both ranks of this ability to 4%/8% maximum health from 3%/5%.
Negate Magic: This Ultimate ability now removes enemy-placed effects when it is initially cast instead of constantly for the entire duration of the ability. Also, this ability’s cost has been reduced by 10%.
Daedric Summoning
Daedric Summoning pets will now reenter stealth if they leave combat and their master is still stealthed.
Player characters that enter stealth next to a Sorcerer's Daedric Summoning pet will no longer cause the other player character's pets to enter stealth.
Storm Calling
Bolt Escape: The disorient portion of Bolt Escape and its morphs has been changed. It now results in a 1.5 second stun and properly triggers crowd-control immunity for the target when the stun effect ends.
Boundless Storm (Lightning Form morph): Fixed an issue where the lightning form visuals were being removed before the effect was over.
Overload: Increased the damage of Overload light attacks by 50%.
Surge: All ranks and morphs of this ability now provide healing when you land a critical strike. Also, the healing cooldown has been reduced to 0.25 seconds from 1 second."

aco5712

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

Always nightblades trying to hijack every thread wtf.

Anyway I was wondering if streak still goes through block as it wasn't mentioned and I'm still at work so I can't test it.

Im not trying to hijack the damn thread. He wrote that we have hots and i replied to that comment. How is that in anyway hijacking the thread?

ItsRejectz

aco5712 wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

Id rather have a class shield then stupid HoTs (NB speaking)

sorc is ridiculously OP in 1.6. Crushing shock builds are wrecking face. They are extremely hard to fight coz the amount of pressure they put on you is absurd.

Crushing shock is not a sorcerer skill.. Any class can use crushing shock.

i said crushing shock builds. Your frag is very powerful when insta cast, which is procced super easy with crushing shock. Vel curse packs a bunch also. You can easy burst for 10-15k in a second if you timed it right.

Regardless, read the other sorcerer topic. The main issue sorcerers have is the necessity to run Resto staff for survivability. All the other classes in the game have extremely good survivability without resto and still have stupidly high dps.

Look at all the PvP 1vX videos of Templars,Dragon knights and nightblades recently. Then try and find a single video of a sorcerer doing it within the last 4 months... None, says it all really

sabresandiego_ESO

aco5712 wrote: »

Id rather have a class shield then stupid HoTs (NB speaking)

sorc is ridiculously OP in 1.6. Crushing shock builds are wrecking face. They are extremely hard to fight coz the amount of pressure they put on you is absurd.

Yep, I cant believe people are complaining about sorcs. If anything, max magicka destro staff sorcs are slightly overpowered due to the amount of pressure they can put out while also using extremely boosted damage shields due to their min maxing of magicka. Also, mines were already buffed in 1.6 and hit like a truck.

cozmon3c_ESO

Sabre you definitely found a sweet spot for sorcs, but most haven't played you two hand style and will need time, if they go that route, on how to not suck doing it. Every sorc feels like zos took there car out for a spin and brought it back but didn't put the seat back where it was. Our builds that we have been playing for months now do not work at all anymore and we have no means to get new gear. But it seems you logged in and play as you always have and bam, you're like damn I'm f'ing beast now, why are all these sorcs complaining.

Edited for autospell.

Pancake-Tragedy

Overload light attacks seem to have their GCD back.

Khivas_Carrick

Wait, Nightblades have an instant self heal? Also didn't other stuff get buffed recently?

I ask this legitimately, I'm in need of enlightenment on sorc damage

aco5712

ItsRejectz wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

Id rather have a class shield then stupid HoTs (NB speaking)

sorc is ridiculously OP in 1.6. Crushing shock builds are wrecking face. They are extremely hard to fight coz the amount of pressure they put on you is absurd.

Crushing shock is not a sorcerer skill.. Any class can use crushing shock.

i said crushing shock builds. Your frag is very powerful when insta cast, which is procced super easy with crushing shock. Vel curse packs a bunch also. You can easy burst for 10-15k in a second if you timed it right.

Regardless, read the other sorcerer topic. The main issue sorcerers have is the necessity to run Resto staff for survivability. All the other classes in the game have extremely good survivability without resto and still have stupidly high dps.

Look at all the PvP 1vX videos of Templars,Dragon knights and nightblades recently. Then try and find a single video of a sorcerer doing it within the last 4 months... None, says it all really

Apart from gankers, nearly every NB runs a resto. Now with vigor, all stam NBs run vigor but before that we had the same problem you have. Most NBs will still run a resto post 1.6 because they might not be stam. You cant honestly thing that swallow soul is enough healing to sustain against more then one person.

You cant say just because people dont upload 1vX videos that sorc 1vX doesnt happen.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=eso+pvp+sorcerer+1vX&search_sort=video_date_uploaded

Oh look, 1vX sorc videos from a week ago....

Seraphyel

I think Sorcs can be incredibly powerful with Magicka Detonation. The skill is incredible.

Morph it to the self centered AoE, throw some Velocious Curses, Streak into a group of enemies and kill them within seconds.

Self healing will be weak, but Sorcs can get some insane combos other classes couldn't get.

Xsorus

Sorcs are incredibly overpowered on PTS right now....If anything they need a nerf

Lynx7386

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Wait, Nightblades have an instant self heal? Also didn't other stuff get buffed recently?

I ask this legitimately, I'm in need of enlightenment on sorc damage

No, nbs don't have an instant self heal (or a class shield, either). Sorcs just like to conveniently omit that because it makes their crying seem more legitimate.

LtCrunch

ItsRejectz wrote: »

all other 3 classes have good instant heals and syphons

I'll take the Sorc damage shield and critical surge/Twilight Matriarch healing any day over the NB HoTs. Sap Essence is only useful in very specific situations.

McDoogs

Seraphyel wrote: »

The real issue is or was to give Templars a full tree dedicated on healing. That totally destroys the balance of the game.

Give every class the skills to be an equal healer or no class - but to give a class a tree full of great heals and to give the crap to the resto staff is just dumb.

WTF is up with sorcerors crying about templars in every thread?

aco5712

Seraphyel wrote: »

The real issue is or was to give Templars a full tree dedicated on healing. That totally destroys the balance of the game.

Give every class the skills to be an equal healer or no class - but to give a class a tree full of great heals and to give the crap to the resto staff is just dumb.

Why would you complain about a templar (who is the "healer" of this game) having a tree dedicated to healing. It does not destroy the balance of the game as they have less options for CC/DPS. And honestly, with the nerf to mending, templars healing is alot worse.

Rune focus + ritual are pretty poor skills anyways.

Gorthax

aco5712 wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

Id rather have a class shield then stupid HoTs (NB speaking)

sorc is ridiculously OP in 1.6. Crushing shock builds are wrecking face. They are extremely hard to fight coz the amount of pressure they put on you is absurd.

Crushing shock is not a sorcerer skill.. Any class can use crushing shock.

i said crushing shock builds. Your frag is very powerful when insta cast, which is procced super easy with crushing shock. Vel curse packs a bunch also. You can easy burst for 10-15k in a second if you timed it right.

Regardless, read the other sorcerer topic. The main issue sorcerers have is the necessity to run Resto staff for survivability. All the other classes in the game have extremely good survivability without resto and still have stupidly high dps.

Look at all the PvP 1vX videos of Templars,Dragon knights and nightblades recently. Then try and find a single video of a sorcerer doing it within the last 4 months... None, says it all really

Apart from gankers, nearly every NB runs a resto. Now with vigor, all stam NBs run vigor but before that we had the same problem you have. Most NBs will still run a resto post 1.6 because they might not be stam. You cant honestly thing that swallow soul is enough healing to sustain against more then one person.

You cant say just because people dont upload 1vX videos that sorc 1vX doesnt happen.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=eso+pvp+sorcerer+1vX&search_sort=video_date_uploaded

Oh look, 1vX sorc videos from a week ago....

oh look.....sword and shield......now find one where they DONT use sword and shield. Then I will be impressed. All these 1vx videos all have one thing in common --> Sword and Shield<-- Not everyone runs that. I think its like 5% - 10% (safe to assume this) refuse to run it in pvp. I know I refuse to run it because of the issues I have with the balance regarding permablock casting sword and shield users.

As I stated, you show me a non sword and shield user doing 1vx @aco5712 (a sorc in this case) then I will say sorcs are fine :P wont happen though. Sorcs are meh right now. Yea we can crushing shock someone but then again ANYONE can. Oh we have shields lol YAY!!!!

Do I want sorcs to be OP, please dear god no. Then we would have bolt escape type nerfs every update. I just want us to be better than we are. You know NOT rely on weapon skills and other guild skills. Not saying it isnt an option to use those, but i think we are the only class who cant be viable (competitive) in pvp using just sorc skills alone. Maybe we can be, who knows. I know I tried and failed horribly at it lol it was just so lack luster

Emma_Overload

Anybody who thinks Crit Surge got "buffed" in 1.6.1 with the 0.25 second cooldown needs a reality check. AOE attacks still don't generate NEARLY as much healing per second as they used to:



I'm only seeing 5-10% of DPS returned as HPS, so that means even wasps and random hedge wizards are owning my *ss. My template build is VR14 with all the Aether gear, but of course Spell Crit itself is nerfed in 1.6, so that doesn't help as much as it should.

For comparison, my sorc's average HPS is about 40% of DPS on 1.5.7. ZoS needs to fix this before sorcs just give up and re-roll...

PLEASE get rid of the cooldown that NO ONE asked for!

Snit

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

For comparison, my sorc's average HPS is about 40% of DPS on 1.5.7. ZoS needs to fix this before sorcs just give up and re-roll...

PLEASE get rid of the cooldown that NO ONE asked for!

Thanks for testing this. I was planning to do so, as well. I was afraid that any cooldown makes Crit Surge quite weak. If you AoE, all the hits are simultaneous. So it doesn't matter if the cooldown is 1 second, .5 seconds or .001.

Gorthax

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Anybody who thinks Crit Surge got "buffed" in 1.6.1 with the 0.25 second cooldown needs a reality check. AOE attacks still don't generate NEARLY as much healing per second as they used to:



I'm only seeing 5-10% of DPS returned as HPS, so that means even wasps and random hedge wizards are owning my *ss. My template build is VR14 with all the Aether gear, but of course Spell Crit itself is nerfed in 1.6, so that doesn't help as much as it should.

For comparison, my sorc's average HPS is about 40% of DPS on 1.5.7. ZoS needs to fix this before sorcs just give up and re-roll...

PLEASE get rid of the cooldown that NO ONE asked for!

wow thats nice to know! Thanks for that!

Pancake-Tragedy

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Anybody who thinks Crit Surge got "buffed" in 1.6.1 with the 0.25 second cooldown needs a reality check. AOE attacks still don't generate NEARLY as much healing per second as they used to:

I'm only seeing 5-10% of DPS returned as HPS, so that means even wasps and random hedge wizards are owning my *ss. My template build is VR14 with all the Aether gear, but of course Spell Crit itself is nerfed in 1.6, so that doesn't help as much as it should.

For comparison, my sorc's average HPS is about 40% of DPS on 1.5.7. ZoS needs to fix this before sorcs just give up and re-roll...

PLEASE get rid of the cooldown that NO ONE asked for!

I feel like this change was mainly a pvp change. A sorc streaking through a zerg would be unkillable if surge was left alone.

With that being said, a reliable self heal for sorcs would be nice.

Emma_Overload

Snit wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

For comparison, my sorc's average HPS is about 40% of DPS on 1.5.7. ZoS needs to fix this before sorcs just give up and re-roll...

PLEASE get rid of the cooldown that NO ONE asked for!

Thanks for testing this. I was planning to do so, as well. I was afraid that any cooldown makes Crit Surge quite weak. If you AoE, all the hits are simultaneous. So it doesn't matter if the cooldown is 1 second, .5 seconds or .001.

EXACTLY. If you look at my CLS log you'll see that there were only two crits in the last second of combat, but only one counted because it hit at the same moment as the other one.

daemonios

Have you even seen what they did to the sets?

I used the Cyrodiil 2 rings + weapon set. 3 pieces gave you 10% spell crit. Now it gives 2%!! WTF???

pmn100b16_ESO

daemonios wrote: »

Have you even seen what they did to the sets?

I used the Cyrodiil 2 rings + weapon set. 3 pieces gave you 10% spell crit. Now it gives 2%!! WTF???

Yep I use this for PvE. 750k APs down the drain.

OtarTheMad

I like how most of the positive Sorc comments mention the damage shield... yeah... and with all the people complaining about that it might be nerfed. I have a good build on my Sorc right now, can't test it due to NA characters being unavailable, but I will when they come back.

Are Sorcs harder to play now without a Resto staff? Yes. Is it impossible? No, as long as we can have our damage shield... which for me is Hardened Ward. The only problem I have ever had with Sorcs is that we rely on other skill lines more than any other class. Maybe that's good... where other classes can't fit certain skills on a bar, we can.

Still a lot of testing to do, we'll see. I just wouldn't rely on your damage shields, make a backup plan for your build in case they get nerfed.