Molten Whip Underpowered?

LonePirate

I have the following stats with some food and PVP buffs:

62 Health/0 Magicka/0 Stamina
3773 Health
2313 Magicka
1564 Stamina
132 Spell Damage
153 Weapon Damage (+53 Flame Damage enchantment)

My Molten Whip IV tooltip says it does 491 damage. My Focused Aim IV tooltip says it does 492 damage. How in the world is Molten Whip not causing more damage than Focused Aim? How is a 21 point advantage of Weapon Damage over Spell Damage able to exceed a 749 point Magicka advantage?

Am I missing something here? Molten Whip is massively underpowered right now.

Epsilon_Echo

Molten whip has always been lackluster. People thing it's op because is the highest hit inta-cast DK skill... which isn't saying much. It's just that it is the go too move for HA melee DKs. Fact is that any number of other skills hit harder. For instance, I don't use whip in favor of Crushing shock. CS hits with the same damage

plus its ranged.
plus it has a good chance to land a DoT.
plus it interrupts casters.
plus if you kill someone with it, it returns magic.

Fact is that when I see someone using a whip, I know that I have a better chance to kill them.

aco5712

Not sure if serious or?

You have a 450 dmg attack that costs around 200 magicka, which when exploited heals for 450 at least and costs 0. So please tell me more about how its underpowered.

NordJitsu

Flame Lash is definitely the better of the two morphs IMO but neither is close to being under-powered. More likely OP than UP.

Soulac

If used right, still better than the Nb melee Skill Veiled Strike.

Jacques Berge

LonePirate wrote: »

I have the following stats with some food and PVP buffs:

62 Health/0 Magicka/0 Stamina
3773 Health
2313 Magicka
1564 Stamina
132 Spell Damage
153 Weapon Damage (+53 Flame Damage enchantment)

My Molten Whip IV tooltip says it does 491 damage. My Focused Aim IV tooltip says it does 492 damage. How in the world is Molten Whip not causing more damage than Focused Aim? How is a 21 point advantage of Weapon Damage over Spell Damage able to exceed a 749 point Magicka advantage?

Am I missing something here? Molten Whip is massively underpowered right now.

Let's go over a a few things.

1. Molten whip is an insta cast with a combo that makes it very good, where focused aim has a 1.1 cast time.
2. Spell power and weapon power adjust different skills at different rates.

As a vamp, I can say I do not like getting hit with whip, that said, I think it is a strong move and that is a good thing. Yes, it requires a combo set up, but so does every other good mana based Melee attack.

LonePirate

aco5712 wrote: »

Not sure if serious or?

You have a 450 dmg attack that costs around 200 magicka, which when exploited heals for 450 at least and costs 0. So please tell me more about how its underpowered.

Not sure if serious or if you can't distinguish Flame Lash and Molten Whip.

As for others suggesting the instant cast vs. a 1..1 second cast delay justifies the parity with Focused Aim, then you're pretty much equating 750 Magicka with that 1.1 second difference in cast time. That seems considerably excessive to me, more so than the 238 Magicka vs. 336 Stamina cost justifies. Maybe this skill is getting revamped in 1.6 because it seems pathetic all things considered.

aco5712

LonePirate wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

Not sure if serious or?

You have a 450 dmg attack that costs around 200 magicka, which when exploited heals for 450 at least and costs 0. So please tell me more about how its underpowered.

Not sure if serious or if you can't distinguish Flame Lash and Molten Whip.

As for others suggesting the instant cast vs. a 1..1 second cast delay justifies the parity with Focused Aim, then you're pretty much equating 750 Magicka with that 1.1 second difference in cast time. That seems considerably excessive to me, more so than the 238 Magicka vs. 336 Stamina cost justifies. Maybe this skill is getting revamped in 1.6 because it seems pathetic all things considered.

Oh sorry, and the other morph gives it a boost up to like 500 and all other af skills ... forgot about that

TheLaw

Lol...I'll take it on my sorc, you can have daedric curse...

Cody

The damage has always been like this. DKs love it because it can be block and casted with talons for good damage. I also think it has good crits.

Asgari

LonePirate wrote: »

I have the following stats with some food and PVP buffs:

62 Health/0 Magicka/0 Stamina
3773 Health
2313 Magicka
1564 Stamina
132 Spell Damage
153 Weapon Damage (+53 Flame Damage enchantment)

My Molten Whip IV tooltip says it does 491 damage. My Focused Aim IV tooltip says it does 492 damage. How in the world is Molten Whip not causing more damage than Focused Aim? How is a 21 point advantage of Weapon Damage over Spell Damage able to exceed a 749 point Magicka advantage?

Am I missing something here? Molten Whip is massively underpowered right now.

The damage for molten and lava whip are based off of spell damage/magicka/stam .. With my magicka at softcap and 2k stamina I can lava whip for 750 crits and heals as well.