Bat Swarm makes you invulnerable now.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

ESO vampires are all edward clones anyway. There's nothing badass about them.

My vampire in oblivion had to feed constantly or turn into a one woman fire during the day and she liked it.

But you all go have fun sparkling in the sunlight.

Probitas

It's a game with PvP. That alone should show the demographics involved.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Probitas wrote: »

It's a game with PvP. That alone should show the demographics involved.

taking the high road and insulting everyone, I see.

Probitas

Hey, I'm playing the game too.

Asgari

How are vamps to op? ive yet to understand this. Lowered health regen + Massive fire damage ... Its not very difficult to kill one. Stop standing next to them and change your tactics. Hitting the same 2 buttons over and over is why you die to them. Evolve and move on.

Asgari

Erock25 wrote: »

Morbus2 wrote: »

Baphomet wrote: »

@Lyrro‌

As for those who've pointed out healing as a possible reason for the zero damage, this argument would be more viable if the OP's combat logs at least registered that he was hitting his target, even if it just stated 0 for the damage dealt as it normally does.

I am glad someone got the point.

That bat swarm is indeed unbalanced is a fact, but if it can now also make you immortal, it is also bugged

Oh lord he we go again . . . people who need to L2P are gonna start crying about vampires are op again and ZoS is going to make another knee jerk decision listening to the QQ crowd and ruin yet another vamp ability.

Mist form anyone?

How is everyone missing the fact that the OP stated that Bat Swarm (either Clouding or Devouring or maybe both but probably just Clouding) is making the person invulnerable even to aoe damage. Haven't tested myself, but if true, it is an obvious bug and everyone ignoring this fact has reading comprehension issues.

It is not true. The vamps using devouring swarm are getting heals from the ult while doing damage, then they can add other attacks during this instance that heal as well while dealing more damage. I see nothing wrong here. Kill them with fire and get over it. This game shouldn't be so cut and dry that everyone uses the same two buttons to kill everyone. Change your tactics and get over it.

BRogueNZ

Vamps can go to hell with the macro mashers and stay there.

Getting eaten alive by invisible bats for 1.4 -1.8k (coupled with invisible talons) is just sirry. If it wasn't for the death screen telling me the story of my demise I'd have no clue.

I guess it has a lot to do with latency and effect drawing bad it makes meh mad brah.

chimneyswift_ESO

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

ESO vampires are all edward clones anyway. There's nothing badass about them.

My vampire in oblivion had to feed constantly or turn into a one woman fire during the day and she liked it.

But you all go have fun sparkling in the sunlight.

Oh good lord, will you people stop with the Twilight stuff already? TES Vamps were around long before Twilight.

Xsorus

I wanted to test this on the PTS when I was on there, I reported Soul Tether and Magma armor in multiple threads and I was wanting to see if Bat Swarm was scaling the same way, but they don't give you the ability to test Vampire or Werewolf on PTS easily enough.

Cody

I noticed it. it is pretty annoying. I don't know what to think about any nerfs, as im in the "middle" so to speak, about the current condition of this ability. the best way to combat it is to not stand in the swarm. I see huge groups of people get torn apart by players using this ability, yet all they have to do is simply move out of the way and avoid it till it stops.

Gilvoth

im a vampire, the "bat swarm" is supose to be an escape. its supose to let you run away cause u know you got too many enemies and need a way out b4 you die.
what i see people doing with bat swarm is the opisite of escape, its rediculas.

Ghenra

Bat Swarm is the most OP skill ever in TESO, and if a Emperor uses it, he can kill more than 25 normal players.

TESO = Uber Skilled Game, 1 skill can kill completly a raid.

GG Zeni.

Beerbill

Ghenra wrote: »

Bat Swarm is the most OP skill ever in TESO, and if a Emperor uses it, he can kill more than 25 normal players.

TESO = Uber Skilled Game, 1 skill can kill completly a raid.

GG Zeni.

Emperor can kill anyone and any group with one skill.... I'm looking to you Dragonknight Standard

chimneyswift_ESO

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

im a vampire, the "bat swarm" is supose to be an escape. its supose to let you run away cause u know you got too many enemies and need a way out b4 you die.
what i see people doing with bat swarm is the opisite of escape, its rediculas.

I think you're confusing Bat Swarm with Mist Form.

OtarTheMad

The only thing I want fixed for Bat Swarm is that you can't interact with oil pots. I had one guy pop Bat Swarm one time but then he also used the Vol. Familiar bug and just kept summoning the thing so when it was unsummoned it exploded and he also dropped an oil pot and used it while in Bat Swarm... don't know how... don't have the skill so I don't know how he did it but he did. I submitted a bug report with a screenshot of my death recap, not to report the player but to hopefully change it so you can't interact with oil pots and show them the Vol. familiar bug is still in the game and being used.

I don't think Bat Swarm should be nerfed but instead either a new Fighters Guild ability that can counter it or just an ability to counter it.. doesn't have to be Fighters Guild and also make them unable to interact with oil pots. The problem is a lot of people die in high pop campaigns (Thornblade comes to mind) from bat Swarm because every other player is a vamp, mainly because they got tired of dying from Bat Swarm and became a vamp themselves. I know I have died A LOT from Bat Swarm and before people say "get good" or say QQ it's usually because as I dodged one swarm another enemy player popped his bat swarm, dodge that one then a third enemy player has also popped his.

McDonuts

Yeah, I am seriously considering shelving my Assassin Nightblade for now and leveling up my (you guessed it) LA/staff Siphonblade. Really hard to avoid batswarm when it's 3 Sorcs BE/swarm/Impulse on you.

I suppose I could slot Mist Form, but that more likely would just prolong the inevitable, as I would be out of magicka (darn you melee class skills for using weapon crit yet costing magicka) thanks to my uber regen/cost reduction from Medium armor. They however, would still have plenty to BE over me and continue spamming aoe and Mage's Fury.

Bat swarm (and Impulse, and really, skirts and sticks) wouldn't be quite so bad if spell penetration wasn't broken beyond all belief (http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/123348/spell-resistance-is-pointless-in-pvp/p1).

Zabus

I haven't had this experience at all and I'm a vamp who uses clouding swarm. I still take damage while invisible, except by single target attacks. You can only be damage by AoE running invis bats because you cannot be seen, so it makes sense to not be able to be damaged by single target.

I'm usually damaged by: Fire ring, fire rune, sap essence, another bat swarm, oil ( I hate this one), fragmented shield, corrosive armor, etc etc as long as it's AoE.

Thechemicals

xsfkxnub19_ESO wrote: »

I haven't had this experience at all and I'm a vamp who uses clouding swarm. I still take damage while invisible, except by single target attacks. You can only be damage by AoE running invis bats because you cannot be seen, so it makes sense to not be able to be damaged by single target.

I'm usually damaged by: Fire ring, fire rune, sap essence, another bat swarm, oil ( I hate this one), fragmented shield, corrosive armor, etc etc as long as it's AoE.

that shouldnt work like that either.

kijima

Talking to a guildie last night that made the move to vamp recently about batsawrm as I had found it to be more powerful than I remember, he admitted that you can run into a group and batswarm till everyone is dead. 6 times in a row you say? Sure, why not!

The heals as he said is amazballs, so much so he said he wouldn't be suprized if they nerf the healing aspect to it next patch as that's all it really needs because it does make you invulnerable. Now vamps aren't great healers so you could say that the one time being invulnerable for a vamp gets nerfed, well that's not fair on them either. Regardless, something needs to be done.

It is OP, but then Soul Tether for an NB isn't far off either. Depending on where you are at with damage you could be hitting out 500-650 damage per enemy and the around 450-500 heals per player. It's not as OP as Batswarm but it's pretty close.

I'm an NB so I'm giving myself a bullet there, but yes batswarm is OP right now, don't whine vamps, it's true take it on the chin. Soul Tether for NB's is OP (I'm an NB... See what I did there)

You gotta call a spade a spade. It's like silver shards one shottng vamps a few patches ago, it was funny sure, but OP to hell.

Xexpo

I seem to be able to roll dodge out of bat bs just fine .. that soul tether tho...

kijima

Yes, you can roll out of the damage, but that doesn't stop them being invulnerable. I'm not complaining, I see bats I roll out. I've got speed and stamina akimbo so all good for me, but seeing a player batswarm and take out 5+ players regularly, because they can't kill him, yeahs that's OP.

It has to be, what else would you call it.

tomiffseb17_ESO

kijima wrote: »

It has to be, what else would you call it.

No idea but not OP. Every game supposed to reward you if you do something good. I dont see any OP in vamps. Or if i do, then i do see DKs and the new Blazing shiled explosion (just to make sure im not said exploit.) users even more Op.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

Baphomet wrote: »

It's seems that after the last patch bat swarm makes the caster invulnerable to damage.

Yesterday I had some 1 vs 1 with several different bat swarmers and every time either of them swarmed, I could not damage them.

Blazing shield, impulse, blazing spear, nothing would hit them even though they were within target range. Then tried to use talons on my DK, still nothing.

I run several different add-ons and none of them registered my characters doing any damage to any bat swarmers - something they used to do prior to patch 1.3. If I hit something, I can always see it in the combat log, and further, if I hit something that doesn't take any damage, the flowing text will just display (0) damage but still notify that you're actually hitting something.

I have never experienced this prior to patch 1.3 where I regularly blazing shielded, pulsared and blazing speared many bat swarmers to near death. Prior to patch 1.3, it was always possible to damage a swarmer in 1 vs 1 - but not anymore, it seems.

Am I the only one experiencing this?

Currently PvP amounts to Impulse + bat swarm, boring.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

Homm wrote: »

Devouring swarm heals like crazy when stacked with critical surge, but it needs to hit. You have no mobility skills, or are you just not using them cause "I am so tough, I won't run!".

The day Talons are fixed, people will manage to run........... Or else even a full blow 2500 stamina can be consumed pretty fast, in 5 set medium armour, trying to dodge (break) the amount of Talons out there, before the Bat Swarm hits.

And the worst part is the combination of some CC that is unbreakabl, if you break them provide no immunity (and when happens that is pitiful short), and you get hit by Bat Swarm all the time.

So do not cherry pick one ability and see the whole picture. There are more than one mechanics broken in this game, and many broken mechanics have brought us to this situation.

Francescolg

I know sorcerers and DKs who can easily kill 5-20 people WITHOUT beeing vampire. Devs should not focus on vamps but on all skills that are "too strong" if used correctly, especially negate magic, crystal fragments, etc., unbreakable CC abuse, etc.etc.

The 5% less ultimate cost bonus for emps should also be removed. It is one of the factors that make people regenerate ultimate too fast. Actually, the power gamers and "vamp-abusers", are the guys getting the bonus and, therefore, problems APPEAR to be serious, while it is only a bunch of powergamers farming all day long.
--> So, people think everybody is an "undestructible vampire", despite the fact that only 1-10% of pvp'ers that really "kill that much". Because they are powergamers, you'll always meet them and get the impression, that a class/skill alone is imbalanced

As a 100% time pvp'er I can tell you that vampires are far less op as specific skills/skill combination/too frequent ultimate activations of certain chars!

Synozeer

kijima wrote: »

It is OP, but then Soul Tether for an NB isn't far off either. Depending on where you are at with damage you could be hitting out 500-650 damage per enemy and the around 450-500 heals per player. It's not as OP as Batswarm but it's pretty close.

I'm an NB so I'm giving myself a bullet there, but yes batswarm is OP right now, don't whine vamps, it's true take it on the chin. Soul Tether for NB's is OP (I'm an NB... See what I did there)

Soul Tether only tethers one player, so you only heal from one person regardless of how many people you hit. And the heal is only around 100 hp a tick, not 500 (which it did only for a week when it bugged out from of the patches).

I'm an NB and a vamp, and there is no comparison between Devouring Swarm and Soul Tether.

duncan_cougarpreeb18_ESO

This one would suggest to leave bat swarm as is, except to have it remove any CC below the swarm for the duration when the swarm is active.

Not being able to roll out is really the only serious problem with swarms.

Joy_Division

You need to be more specific.

As a "batswarmer," which I am to assume you aren't happy with my choice of skill and playstyle judging from your tone (sorry for having a different perspective of fun), I can tell you that when I use devouring swarm (the morph that heals), I can assure you every time through every patch, I did take damage and was cc-able when I used this skill. If there are multiple opponents around me who insist on staying around me, I can also tell you that you can blazing shield and impulse until the cows come home, but I will be healed for more damage than you inflict.

As far as the clouding swarm form that makes the target invisible, I'm not familiar how exactly that one works

ShadowHvo

Immortal? How? I just got murdered twice this morning while using batswarm.

duncan_cougarpreeb18_ESO

simple:
When a player from faction X casts bat swarm, the area effected by that bat swarm (or morphs) removes any CC cast by any player of that same faction X on that area (but only there).

For CCs from factions Y or Z, any member of faction X has to use break free the normal way, i.e. unless someone there also bat swarms and does it for you.

Or if that's to complicated to implement: Remove all CCs from that area, cast by any party during the whole time swarms are active in that area.

And as far as bat swarms go, this one has no problem with that ability, but with break free out of CCs not granting a useful time period of immunity to the next CC in addition to those being instant, spammable AOE casts (at least for some).
There is your real problem!