Bat Swarm makes you invulnerable now.

Baphomet

It's seems that after the last patch bat swarm makes the caster invulnerable to damage.

Yesterday I had some 1 vs 1 with several different bat swarmers and every time either of them swarmed, I could not damage them.

Blazing shield, impulse, blazing spear, nothing would hit them even though they were within target range. Then tried to use talons on my DK, still nothing.

I run several different add-ons and none of them registered my characters doing any damage to any bat swarmers - something they used to do prior to patch 1.3. If I hit something, I can always see it in the combat log, and further, if I hit something that doesn't take any damage, the flowing text will just display (0) damage but still notify that you're actually hitting something.

I have never experienced this prior to patch 1.3 where I regularly blazing shielded, pulsared and blazing speared many bat swarmers to near death. Prior to patch 1.3, it was always possible to damage a swarmer in 1 vs 1 - but not anymore, it seems.

Am I the only one experiencing this?

Attorneyatlawl

It scales off of weapon damage or spell damage, whichever is higher, now... it can heal upwards of 400+/second per target hit (up to 6), so a heal debuff will help a lot but as always the best tactic is not to stand in the fire. I have seen a swarmer's health budge fine if I attacked them while it was used against me so long as I wasn't standing in it, for example, so it definitely doesn't make them invulnerable.

Baphomet

I still wonder why nothing shows up in my combat log or by the add-ons. I used to be able to see myself doing damage to bat swarmers. That's what made me concerned...

Raash

Deja vu! nothing new under the tamriel sun... sometimes i wonder if Z-max staff is all emo guy & girls that watch to much twillight...
sparkling fairys with wings & fangs and everything. /puke

thorspark

Are your targets visible or invisible ?
There's been a lot of testing lately on Clouding Swarm (does not heal you but grants you invisibility). Maybe the invisibility triggers some damage bug.

RedMiniStapler

I guess we're back to "vamps too OP in pvp! Nerf vamp!"? Followed by" silver shards one shot vamps! Nerf silver shards!" After next patch?

Magister_Aena

This isn't the only way vampires can be invulnerable, btw. Using Annulment and Mist Form stacks the damage reduction, meaning you take no damage for 20 seconds, and absorb magicka from your enemy's attacks while at it.

Two invulnerability bugs is too much for vampires. Please fix now.

Baphomet

@‌Raash

Deja vu! nothing new under the tamriel sun... sometimes i wonder if Z-max staff is all emo guy & girls that watch to much twillight...
sparkling fairys with wings & fangs and everything. /puke

Well, if Zenimax allows a mobile ult that makes you almost untargetable and can dealt ~2000 damage and heal for ~2000 damage per target over the duration of 5 seconds, they are definately not of this world.

@thorspark, that's what I was thinking, too. That the invisibility somehow prevents them from taking damage because I only experience this with the invisibility morph.

Fi'yra

Was this Devouring swarm or Clouding swarm?
Were they visible or invisible?

Homm

Baphomet wrote: »

@‌Raash

Deja vu! nothing new under the tamriel sun... sometimes i wonder if Z-max staff is all emo guy & girls that watch to much twillight...
sparkling fairys with wings & fangs and everything. /puke

Well, if Zenimax allows a mobile ult that makes you almost untargetable and can dealt ~2000 damage and heal for ~2000 damage per target over the duration of 5 seconds, they are definately not of this world.

@thorspark, that's what I was thinking, too. That the invisibility somehow prevents them from taking damage because I only experience this with the invisibility morph.

Because DK doesn't have an overpowered ulti, sure.
But @topic - bat swarm isn't too powerful, it's just people are stupid. Devouring swarm heals like crazy when stacked with critical surge, but it needs to hit. You have no mobility skills, or are you just not using them cause "I am so tough, I won't run!". Clouding swarm makes you invisible, but it's enough to aoe the crap out of him and he's dead. Or just run again for 5 seconds -.- Let's just remove all ultis from the game, shall we?

Desdemonte

Magister_Aena wrote: »

This isn't the only way vampires can be invulnerable, btw. Using Annulment and Mist Form stacks the damage reduction, meaning you take no damage for 20 seconds, and absorb magicka from your enemy's attacks while at it.

Two invulnerability bugs is too much for vampires. Please fix now.

And annulment is where in the vamp tree? Sounds like someone is once again lumping everything together like when the sorc and DK vamps were OP but NBs and Templars were useless. So the nerffed Vamp and made 2 classes more useless. Now you're bitching about a light armour synergy so vamp needs to be nerffed again. What about the medium and heavy wearers? What happens with them? Vamp becomes more useless.....

Koensol

Magister_Aena wrote: »

This isn't the only way vampires can be invulnerable, btw. Using Annulment and Mist Form stacks the damage reduction, meaning you take no damage for 20 seconds, and absorb magicka from your enemy's attacks while at it.

Two invulnerability bugs is too much for vampires. Please fix now.

Lol. Seriously at this point I have 0 faith in this game being able to recover from all the buggs, mistakes and mismanagement it has suffered from. When I'm playing the game there is so much *** going on that just isn't supposed to happen. FUBAR!

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

vampires have always been far too powerful, even after the initial nerf.

lol at vamps defending a bug like it's a feature.

Zershar_Vemod

And so the crying begins again.

WraithAzraiel

Oh really? It's all vampires huh? Not just the light armor wearing sorc or DK vampires right? So by that logic I on my medium armor wearing nightblade vampire should be wrecking face instead of dying on the constant against zergs?

Man what am I doing wrong that I'm obviously so missing out on this awesome exploit that vampires has always had?


Vampire isn't and never has been the problem, it's the tool people using a broken and seriously OP build are using to exploit.

Come on people, look a little deeper than "Oh shiz he's vamp must be cheater hur hur hur derp derp super OP. NERF THE VAMPIRE NERF IT TO THE GROUND derp derp I r smart I look with eyes and see things that are broked!"

Thechemicals

Targetting is an issue against bat swarm and Mist form. Especially when you are using Mages light.....

WraithAzraiel

Raash wrote: »

Deja vu! nothing new under the tamriel sun... sometimes i wonder if Z-max staff is all emo guy & girls that watch to much twillight...
sparkling fairys with wings & fangs and everything. /puke

Also, you're a knucklehead.

1 person writes a tween love story loosely based around vampire lore and suddenly that's the be all end all for vampires. Completely negating hundreds of years of folklore and storytelling around the badassery that was the original concept.

Go play with your trains, pumpkin, the adults are talking

Holycannoli

So what I'm getting once again is that light armor is totally unbalanced.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Remove Annulment and Spell Warding and nerf it's AF to the ground. Give the Spell Warding bonuses to heavy armor. I don't know what to replace them with but LA needs it's defenses removed to even begin to balance things effectively.

Desdemonte

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Oh really? It's all vampires huh? Not just the light armor wearing sorc or DK vampires right? So by that logic I on my medium armor wearing nightblade vampire should be wrecking face instead of dying on the constant against zergs?

Man what am I doing wrong that I'm obviously so missing out on this awesome exploit that vampires has always had?


Vampire isn't and never has been the problem, it's the tool people using a broken and seriously OP build are using to exploit.

Come on people, look a little deeper than "Oh shiz he's vamp must be cheater hur hur hur derp derp super OP. NERF THE VAMPIRE NERF IT TO THE GROUND derp derp I r smart I look with eyes and see things that are broked!"

Yep +1

Magister_Aena

Desdemonte wrote: »

Magister_Aena wrote: »

This isn't the only way vampires can be invulnerable, btw. Using Annulment and Mist Form stacks the damage reduction, meaning you take no damage for 20 seconds, and absorb magicka from your enemy's attacks while at it.

Two invulnerability bugs is too much for vampires. Please fix now.

And annulment is where in the vamp tree? Sounds like someone is once again lumping everything together like when the sorc and DK vamps were OP but NBs and Templars were useless. So the nerffed Vamp and made 2 classes more useless. Now you're bitching about a light armour synergy so vamp needs to be nerffed again. What about the medium and heavy wearers? What happens with them? Vamp becomes more useless.....

I'm sorry for pointing out a problem in the game. I'm not bitching about it, I use it, I'm saying it's ridiculous to be able to take no damage for twenty seconds. Damage reduction shouldn't be able to stack past 99%.

Lyrro

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

vampires have always been far too powerful, even after the initial nerf.

lol at vamps defending a bug like it's a feature.

It's also really easy to become a vampire, so far the record seems to be completing the quest to become a full fledged vamp at lvl 3.

It's very obvious that the head of the dev team is a vampire fanatic, obviously a Team Edward character based on his/her distaste for werewolves.

Lol. Seriously at this point I have 0 faith in this game being able to recover from all the buggs, mistakes and mismanagement it has suffered from. When I'm playing the game there is so much *** going on that just isn't supposed to happen. FUBAR!

It just wouldn't be ESO without all the bugs/glitches, now would it? Lets face it, you're not playing this game for the storyline, the pvp, or the graphics. You're playing for the adrenaline rush you get when you're in the middle of a quest or a fight and one of Zenimax's bugs decides to bite you.

As for those who've pointed out healing as a possible reason for the zero damage, this argument would be more viable if the OP's combat logs at least registered that he was hitting his target, even if it just stated 0 for the damage dealt as it normally does.

Baphomet

@Lyrro‌

As for those who've pointed out healing as a possible reason for the zero damage, this argument would be more viable if the OP's combat logs at least registered that he was hitting his target, even if it just stated 0 for the damage dealt as it normally does.

I am glad someone got the point.

That bat swarm is indeed unbalanced is a fact, but if it can now also make you immortal, it is also bugged

Maulkin

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Oh really? It's all vampires huh? Not just the light armor wearing sorc or DK vampires right? So by that logic I on my medium armor wearing nightblade vampire should be wrecking face instead of dying on the constant against zergs?

Man what am I doing wrong that I'm obviously so missing out on this awesome exploit that vampires has always had?


Vampire isn't and never has been the problem, it's the tool people using a broken and seriously OP build are using to exploit.

Come on people, look a little deeper than "Oh shiz he's vamp must be cheater hur hur hur derp derp super OP. NERF THE VAMPIRE NERF IT TO THE GROUND derp derp I r smart I look with eyes and see things that are broked!"

Sure DK and Sorc are the issue *rolls eyes*

*** you talking 'bout? The highest ranked player is EU is a guy called Quicky Ra. He's a NB Vampire, but you know never let the facts get in the way of your moaning.

The fact remains, Bat Swarm is the ultimate noob farming ability. Good players and good groups have no problems against it. Bad players who just huddle together and don't know how to deal with it get AP farmed.

It's the sad truth.

ThoradinBloodfire

I wouldn't care if they made vamps burn in sunlight. make it happen

Kypho

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Oh really? It's all vampires huh? Not just the light armor wearing sorc or DK vampires right? So by that logic I on my medium armor wearing nightblade vampire should be wrecking face instead of dying on the constant against zergs?

Man what am I doing wrong that I'm obviously so missing out on this awesome exploit that vampires has always had?


Vampire isn't and never has been the problem, it's the tool people using a broken and seriously OP build are using to exploit.

Come on people, look a little deeper than "Oh shiz he's vamp must be cheater hur hur hur derp derp super OP. NERF THE VAMPIRE NERF IT TO THE GROUND derp derp I r smart I look with eyes and see things that are broked!"

Sure DK and Sorc are the issue *rolls eyes*

*** you talking 'bout? The highest ranked player is EU is a guy called Quicky Ra. He's a NB Vampire, but you know never let the facts get in the way of your moaning.

The fact remains, Bat Swarm is the ultimate noob farming ability. Good players and good groups have no problems against it. Bad players who just huddle together and don't know how to deal with it get AP farmed.

It's the sad truth.

Wait what? its the noobest ability to farm AP? Time to get a bite.

Koensol

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Oh really? It's all vampires huh? Not just the light armor wearing sorc or DK vampires right? So by that logic I on my medium armor wearing nightblade vampire should be wrecking face instead of dying on the constant against zergs?

Man what am I doing wrong that I'm obviously so missing out on this awesome exploit that vampires has always had?


Vampire isn't and never has been the problem, it's the tool people using a broken and seriously OP build are using to exploit.

Come on people, look a little deeper than "Oh shiz he's vamp must be cheater hur hur hur derp derp super OP. NERF THE VAMPIRE NERF IT TO THE GROUND derp derp I r smart I look with eyes and see things that are broked!"

Sure DK and Sorc are the issue *rolls eyes*

*** you talking 'bout? The highest ranked player is EU is a guy called Quicky Ra. He's a NB Vampire, but you know never let the facts get in the way of your moaning.

The fact remains, Bat Swarm is the ultimate noob farming ability. Good players and good groups have no problems against it. Bad players who just huddle together and don't know how to deal with it get AP farmed.

It's the sad truth.

Problem is sometimes you are being stunlocked and rooted to the ground while two or even more people spam batswarm and basicly oneshot you. That Quicky Ra guy has hit my templar tank with 3k+ health for 1.8k damage with his batswarm on one tick. Maybe even add one endless fury from a sorc and you =DEAD. Yes batswarm can be avoided, but that's no excuse for letting it still be OP. Especially combined with stacked ultimate regain and bugs such as this invulnerability.

Desdemonte

Why can't the complainers and the devs just see the simple fact that it is Ultimate regen that is the source of all these problems? Some classes do it far better than others......

Morbus2

Baphomet wrote: »

@Lyrro‌

As for those who've pointed out healing as a possible reason for the zero damage, this argument would be more viable if the OP's combat logs at least registered that he was hitting his target, even if it just stated 0 for the damage dealt as it normally does.

I am glad someone got the point.

That bat swarm is indeed unbalanced is a fact, but if it can now also make you immortal, it is also bugged

Oh lord he we go again . . . people who need to L2P are gonna start crying about vampires are op again and ZoS is going to make another knee jerk decision listening to the QQ crowd and ruin yet another vamp ability.

Mist form anyone?

Probitas

If you truly believe abilities are unbalanced in PvP, the best way to complain is to avoid PvP. If that's all you have to do now since you maxed out already in all areas from power gaming, whatever, why stick around? Who would want to pay to be unhappy? I don't understand this.

Companies pay attention to money, and that's it.

Raash

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Deja vu! nothing new under the tamriel sun... sometimes i wonder if Z-max staff is all emo guy & girls that watch to much twillight...
sparkling fairys with wings & fangs and everything. /puke

Also, you're a knucklehead.

1 person writes a tween love story loosely based around vampire lore and suddenly that's the be all end all for vampires. Completely negating hundreds of years of folklore and storytelling around the badassery that was the original concept.

Go play with your trains, pumpkin, the adults are talking

woaw wait! You really think that ESO version of vampires are anything close to badass? Give me a break, they are bathing in sunlight working on a tan, purring like cats and gather at great numbers everywhere like locust. As a matter of fact, I think the ESO version of them are worse then all the crap they squeezed into twillight.
What you think about that, Mr-princess-vampire-lord?

Erock25

Morbus2 wrote: »

Baphomet wrote: »

@Lyrro‌

As for those who've pointed out healing as a possible reason for the zero damage, this argument would be more viable if the OP's combat logs at least registered that he was hitting his target, even if it just stated 0 for the damage dealt as it normally does.

I am glad someone got the point.

That bat swarm is indeed unbalanced is a fact, but if it can now also make you immortal, it is also bugged

Oh lord he we go again . . . people who need to L2P are gonna start crying about vampires are op again and ZoS is going to make another knee jerk decision listening to the QQ crowd and ruin yet another vamp ability.

Mist form anyone?

How is everyone missing the fact that the OP stated that Bat Swarm (either Clouding or Devouring or maybe both but probably just Clouding) is making the person invulnerable even to aoe damage. Haven't tested myself, but if true, it is an obvious bug and everyone ignoring this fact has reading comprehension issues.