Skimpy armors

Maverick827

No

Sakiri wrote: »

That doesnt justify putting women in burkas or dressing is like Mennonites.

This is an absurd exaggeration. Wearing full armor in a combat is not "wearing a burka." Please, just stop this nonsense argument.

Maverick827

No

Asasinka wrote: »

Everyone mentioning armors that do not fullfill it's function should reconsider.
This game isn't "real world", you can use magic in it so there can be also armors which look like something and are something else or it can be magicaly powered to use a force field.

Then why do people wear full armor? Why wouldn't everyone just walk around naked wearing a single ring that protects them fully? There are a lot of downsides to wearing plate armor. Why would a seasoned warrior, like the many NPCs we see in the game, wear plate if they didn't have to?

Your argument doesn't make sense. It's just straw-grasping.

Aria

No

Nothing about being prudish ...but if I wanted to play a mmo where all the woman run around next to naked as there are plenty of other mmos out there for that?

However if they could do a more feminine (tasteful) armor without it just looking like a bikini with a few chain pieces tossed on I am game!

HandofBane

Yes

JosephChip wrote: »

Throwing away decency because some individuals may want to isn't a realistic option. Even in normal society a woman may feel the desire to go out naked, it does not mean she should be able to do that and it does not concern personal preferences.
An online videogame isn't the place for such things. Pure and simple. There are all kind of other activities you can dedicate yourself to that will satisfy your need. I am sure a large part of the community wouldn't want to see their game turn into a soft-po-rn recreation.

You are aware that you are playing a game with an active brothel in one of the major cities, right? And that has a history in its own lore of some rather blatant sexual "objectification", and in one case hardcore sex (see: The Real Barenziah vol.2, The Lusty Argonian Maid, The Sultry Argonian Bard)? Just making sure we are playing the same game series here.

So, yeah, the "decency" argument means nothing. Not even touching on the fact different people have different values regarding what is considered "decent" either personally or culturally.

Aeradon

Yes

This is what ancient elves light armour should look like.


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HandofBane

Yes

Maverick827 wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

That doesnt justify putting women in burkas or dressing is like Mennonites.

This is an absurd exaggeration. Wearing full armor in a combat is not "wearing a burka." Please, just stop this nonsense argument.

No burkas you say?

Snowstrider

No

I already think the armor in the game are silly,Hope they dont make it even more silly,But hey,Wont hurt me if they add those to the game,I wont use them,

I want bulky armor which is made for warriors,Hoped that the veteran armors would be like that,well they are decent,But they could have been better. more variety pls

Maverick827

No

HandofBane wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

That doesnt justify putting women in burkas or dressing is like Mennonites.

This is an absurd exaggeration. Wearing full armor in a combat is not "wearing a burka." Please, just stop this nonsense argument.

No burkas you say?

Men have the exact same outfit. It's a robe with a hood. Are you new to RPGs?

You can hide the helm if you want.

Stop grasping.

SanguineReaper

Yes

JosephChip wrote: »

SanguineReaper wrote: »

All of you that keep saying "no" because it objectifies women need to get over yourselves. Women CHOOSE to wear the things they do. There aren't men going from house to house and forcing women to wear the clothes they put on each morning. Women are CHOOSING to pose in Playboy and be a Victoria Secret model. So please stop with all of the "we need to stop objectifying women" BS. Feminists aside, women choose to dress the way they do and a lot of them actually enjoy the attention they get from men when doing so.

Yes, except that the general issue is much bigger than that. But just to answer your argument: the majority of players using those new skins would be males. Males dressing up women to cater to their sexual instinct. You don't see the objectification in this? Please. It's not a problem as long as it isn't inappropratel placed, like in this case.
Also I am pretty sure you aren't the official spokesman for women. It seems reasonable to think there are women who would like that, as there are women who would hate it. That's irrelevant at the end of the day. Throwing away decency because some individuals may want to isn't a realistic option. Even in normal society a woman may feel the desire to go out naked, it does not mean she should be able to do that and it does not concern personal preferences.
An online videogame isn't the place for such things. Pure and simple. There are all kind of other activities you can dedicate yourself to that will satisfy your need. I am sure a large part of the community wouldn't want to see their game turn into a soft-po-rn recreation.
For reference, what "skimpy" means is portrayed in the 4th post of this thread. I have seen a few people posting examples of outfits they would like and they are perfectly ok.

I, in no way, said that I was for mostly naked armor bikinis. The armor can still be tasteful and show a bit more skin.

Also, I have always followed the ideal that "modest is hottest", so again you are placing words in my moth that I never said. I am not, and did not, say I was speaking for women in any thing I said. I grew up around mostly conservative women that are appalled by what a lot of younger women wear these days, so don't act like you know exactly what I was thinking. In most circumstances, women wear what makes them feel comfortable. That comfort level is broad based on different women with different points of view. My point in the post I made earlier is that there should be freedom of choice here. I also would have to say I agree with most when I say that skimpy heavy armor is virtually pointless. I was more referring to light and some medium as they are more for practical purposes and less for absorbing damage.

Eivar

No

personally I don't want to see skimpy armors, it just doesn't make any sense, but if they want to add in skimpy disguises, go for it.

Skimpy armor always devloves into thongs and such with armor values through the roof, it's just.....dumb.

On another note, why is every piece of light armor a long robe? I'm pretty sure I've seen plenty of articles of clothing, made of cloth that aren't a robe.

Chomppa

Yes

Voted yes since majority ( not all ) of the armor in this game looks dull and feels lifeless . Besides I want my Argonian to look ssseeexxxaaay .

HandofBane

Yes

Maverick827 wrote: »

HandofBane wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

That doesnt justify putting women in burkas or dressing is like Mennonites.

This is an absurd exaggeration. Wearing full armor in a combat is not "wearing a burka." Please, just stop this nonsense argument.

No burkas you say?

Men have the exact same outfit. It's a robe with a hood. Are you new to RPGs?

You can hide the helm if you want.

Stop grasping.

Yet nearly all robes ingame right now consist of either the full coverage like that, or the potato-sack jerkin model. The hood/mask was just to make a point. Would it really cause massive destruction to the mental state of players to see other players running around in clothing/armor that those players might consider more attractive/appealing? Dump the whole sexism garbage argument, back in WoW, my last guild was almost 50% female and one thing most of them found a fun side hobby was to collect all the variety of clothing/armor ingame, including and especially the skimpy stuff, purely for the sake of having a wide variety of options to dress up in - as roleplayers in a roleplay guild. Because, guess what, real life females occasionally like to dress up in something they consider sexy or attractive sometimes.

nerevarine1138

No

I'm wondering why no one is demanding skimpy outfits for the men.

Seriously, if you want to look at scantily-clad women, there are websites for that. This is a game where women may not (horror of horrors) prioritize fulfilling some deluded male fantasy over looking badass.

Aeradon

Yes

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Maverick827

No

HandofBane wrote: »

Because, guess what, real life females occasionally like to dress up in something they consider sexy or attractive sometimes.

You didn't even read my original post, did you?

"Dump the sexism argument because I can't beat it."

SanguineReaper

Yes

Maverick827 wrote: »

SanguineReaper wrote: »

Women CHOOSE to wear the things they do.

I'm not really a feminist myself, but I did take a feminism course to cover a "diversity" credit in college, so I know a bit about the arguments they make, and I like arguing, so:

While no one is physically forcing women to like/wear revealing clothes, pose in Playboy, etc., society has essentially brainwashed them into believing that "being sexy" is their only form of worth. It should be obvious to anyone who lives in this world to see that young girls aren't told that being smart, athletic, or powerful is what makes them valuable as human beings, just being sexy for men.

They don't even know that they've been brainwashed because it starts at such a young age (Disney princesses, barbie dolls, etc.), so they don't know that their own opinions and beliefs have been placed in their heads with the intent of making them more pleasing to men.

We're actually starting to see a turnaround in this line of thinking. If you haven't noticed, there are a lot more "teenage girl" action stories coming out these days like The Hunger Games and Divergent that have never existed on this scale in the history of mankind. Twilight tries to do it but hilariously fails when placed under a microscope. Disney is trying to make a more empowered "princess" role model for girls with movies like Brave and Frozen.

Men, on the other hand, are told that their worth comes from power (physical or otherwise), intelligence, and all sorts of actually positive things to have. This is why "skimpy" armor on men (while still dumb for other reasons) isn't as exploitative as "skimpy" armor on women. Sai Sahan isn't being exploited as a sexual object by wearing that armor (or the lack thereof), he's being empowered as a warrior. It shows his strength and his ability to dominate others. Shirtless warriors like Conan the Barbarian and He-Man aren't created for women to ogle at, they're created so that men can admire their prowess.

Skimpy armor is still very dumb simply for the reason that, while this is a fantasy game, even fantasy needs to observe and obey its own rules. It stands to reason that, since armor exists in this world, then it must exist for a reason. It would make no sense for armor to exist if everyone had "magically" resilient skin, or whatever nonsense some people come up with to justify skimpy armor. No one would wear full plate if they didn't have to. And yet they do. Ergo, armor matters.

While I agree with the majority of what you said. I guess I am viewing the word "Skimpy" as not just lingerie, but as slightly more revealing armor(not heavy).

Also I would have to say that a young woman's point of view comes quite a bit from the way they were raised. If they are not taught by their parents from an early age that wearing overly revealing clothing will only get men to think about one thing; they may buy into a lot more of what Hollywood and society deem to be "more beautiful." I grew up with three sisters and not a single one of them bought into the way society portrays women. So while I understand mostly agree with your post, I do believe that a lot of the reason why we have young adult women wearing overly revealing clothing is that they weren't taught the proper view on the consequences of these actions. That being said, women are just as intelligent if not more so than men are and are more than capable of thinking for themselves in this respect.

HandofBane

Yes

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I'm wondering why no one is demanding skimpy outfits for the men.

There absolutely should be both options available. Nothing wrong with either gender getting some more variety in clothing/armor, with options for a bit more visibility and skin.

Asasinka

Yes

Maverick827 wrote: »

Asasinka wrote: »

Everyone mentioning armors that do not fullfill it's function should reconsider.
This game isn't "real world", you can use magic in it so there can be also armors which look like something and are something else or it can be magicaly powered to use a force field.

Then why do people wear full armor? Why wouldn't everyone just walk around naked wearing a single ring that protects them fully? There are a lot of downsides to wearing plate armor. Why would a seasoned warrior, like the many NPCs we see in the game, wear plate if they didn't have to?

Your argument doesn't make sense. It's just straw-grasping.

They wear it because they want to and yes, it does make sense to those who think about it

Maverick827

No

Aeradon wrote: »

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The second one isn't terrible, though there's no reason why she'd have bare shoulders and arms. The top "boob window" armors are just ridiculous, however.

nerevarine1138

No

HandofBane wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I'm wondering why no one is demanding skimpy outfits for the men.

There absolutely should be both options available. Nothing wrong with either gender getting some more variety in clothing/armor, with options for a bit more visibility and skin.

Sure. I'm just wondering why it took 3 pages for anyone to suggest that. Could it be that most of the boys posting on this thread were only imagining women in these outfits?

Asasinka

Yes

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

HandofBane wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I'm wondering why no one is demanding skimpy outfits for the men.

There absolutely should be both options available. Nothing wrong with either gender getting some more variety in clothing/armor, with options for a bit more visibility and skin.

Sure. I'm just wondering why it took 3 pages for anyone to suggest that. Could it be that most of the boys posting on this thread were only imagining women in these outfits?

Absolutely

Eivar

No

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

HandofBane wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I'm wondering why no one is demanding skimpy outfits for the men.

There absolutely should be both options available. Nothing wrong with either gender getting some more variety in clothing/armor, with options for a bit more visibility and skin.

Sure. I'm just wondering why it took 3 pages for anyone to suggest that. Could it be that most of the boys posting on this thread were only imagining women in these outfits?

It actually was mentioned on the first page of comments. but hey looking down on people isn't as much fun if you pay attention :P

Maverick827

No

Asasinka wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

HandofBane wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I'm wondering why no one is demanding skimpy outfits for the men.

There absolutely should be both options available. Nothing wrong with either gender getting some more variety in clothing/armor, with options for a bit more visibility and skin.

Sure. I'm just wondering why it took 3 pages for anyone to suggest that. Could it be that most of the boys posting on this thread were only imagining women in these outfits?

Absolutely

There should definitely not be both options available, because your preference breaks my immersion, but mine does not break yours.

Laura

Yes

Maverick827 wrote: »

Asasinka wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

HandofBane wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I'm wondering why no one is demanding skimpy outfits for the men.

There absolutely should be both options available. Nothing wrong with either gender getting some more variety in clothing/armor, with options for a bit more visibility and skin.

Sure. I'm just wondering why it took 3 pages for anyone to suggest that. Could it be that most of the boys posting on this thread were only imagining women in these outfits?

Absolutely

There should definitely not be both options available, because your preference breaks my immersion, but mine does not break yours.

i guess consider your immersion broken because there definitely IS male skimpy armor.

The fact that guys can do it and girls cant is by its very definition sexism

HandofBane

Yes

Maverick827 wrote: »

HandofBane wrote: »

Because, guess what, real life females occasionally like to dress up in something they consider sexy or attractive sometimes.

You didn't even read my original post, did you?

"Dump the sexism argument because I can't beat it."

I can respond to your argument, but I guarantee it will get the thread closed fast after all the replies to my post start pouring in. A feminism course is meaningless, feminism today is not about empowerment or equality of females to males, it is about trying to enforce power by a specific subset of females over all other females as well as whatever males they can get to buy into their message. It's especially amusing because the message has flipflopped several times between "sexy women are empowering themselves" and "being sexy is giving in to the patriarchy". Which is it?

Believe whatever you want, accept people for who they are and what they are comfortable with, and quit trying to push your prudish *** onto other people in the name of making THEM bow down to what YOU feel is "appropriate".

But hey, you took a course required to provide diversity, so you can use it in the real world where most of what they taught you will accomplish very little besides get you upset that some people get treated differently than others and prefer to whine about it than actually get up and do something.

Moonscythe

Singular wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

No.

You want skimpy? Leave your cuirass slot empty. Get an enchanter to craft you an armor glyph for a ring to make up the armor difference.

Don't be ridiculous. This is fantasy game. The rules of reality don't apply here. We want fashionable armor, we should be allowed to make it.

Why should your ideal armor type have any relevance whatsoever on my ideal armor type? I don't care what you wear, get off my lawn.

Since when does fashionable equate with skimpy?

I don't want to be forced to wear skimpy anything just because I am and play a female character.

Asasinka

Yes

Ok then, make nude location without any quest and everyone will be satisfied
just kidding

zinoviy22b14_ESO

No

Boob windows = stab here bull's eye. So no skimpy plate armor!

Maverick827

No

HandofBane wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

HandofBane wrote: »

Because, guess what, real life females occasionally like to dress up in something they consider sexy or attractive sometimes.

You didn't even read my original post, did you?

"Dump the sexism argument because I can't beat it."

I can respond to your argument, but I guarantee it will get the thread closed fast after all the replies to my post start pouring in. A feminism course is meaningless, feminism today is not about empowerment or equality of females to males, it is about trying to enforce power by a specific subset of females over all other females as well as whatever males they can get to buy into their message. It's especially amusing because the message has flipflopped several times between "sexy women are empowering themselves" and "being sexy is giving in to the patriarchy". Which is it?

Believe whatever you want, accept people for who they are and what they are comfortable with, and quit trying to push your prudish *** onto other people in the name of making THEM bow down to what YOU feel is "appropriate".

But hey, you took a course required to provide diversity, so you can use it in the real world where most of what they taught you will accomplish very little besides get you upset that some people get treated differently than others and prefer to whine about it than actually get up and do something.

So you can't beat the argument. Ok.

HandofBane

Yes

Moonscythe wrote: »

Singular wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

No.

You want skimpy? Leave your cuirass slot empty. Get an enchanter to craft you an armor glyph for a ring to make up the armor difference.

Don't be ridiculous. This is fantasy game. The rules of reality don't apply here. We want fashionable armor, we should be allowed to make it.

Why should your ideal armor type have any relevance whatsoever on my ideal armor type? I don't care what you wear, get off my lawn.

Since when does fashionable equate with skimpy?

I don't want to be forced to wear skimpy anything just because I am and play a female character.

See that's the nice thing about customization in clothing - nobody is forcing anyone to wear something they consider too revealing. Only those who want to do so will be in it.