ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

React wrote: »

It does seem like very little of the PVP feedback is being considered based on this post. Some main points that should really be addressed;

• Conservation of Energy Power Level - The healing this skill can provide, especially when approaching 40k HP, is disgusting. It will outheal everything on CMX every single fight. Defensive power creep like this is not healthy for the game and has the potential to lead to a very stale, tank oriented meta. I'd urge caution when introducing things that heal or mitigate excessively, just as much as things that deal too much "free" damage.
• Recursive flame/pyreband - Not even just in the context of dueling, despite that being all we can do to test PVP on the PTS. But this combination is just doing an absurd amount of "free" damage. Please reconsider the recursive flame passive to instead be some kind of %modifier to dots, instead of the current "proc" damage that it is. Again, it is not healthy to encourage so much "free" damage with minimal input.
• Werewolf Power Level - You spent a lot of time in this post addressing all the visuals discussion around WW, but what about the extensive feedback about the power level? Especially in regards to WW benefiting from class mastery passives and being a bit too oppressive with certain ones active. Would be really good to hear if the team is going to consider further adjustments here. The main feedback thread devolved into a mess of back and forth, but there is quite a bit of solid testing that was shared there in regards to this.

Just wanted to follow up here. We do have some changes for all three items listed above coming in Week Three Patch Notes. We are taking a pass at addressing some of the power level feedback from the Werewolf, in addition to some other visual elements. Full notes on Monday, but wanted to give a quick note that we are addressing some of this and will continue to evaluate feedback after the changes made next week as well.

Now back to editing patch notes for me...

Can we please at some point in the very near future address the issues with healer relevance. Quoted comment by React brings up some. The healing bonuses proposed currently benefit more tanks (HP based) and damage dealers (free infinite crux for Arcanist using reaving blows; self major heroism on warden DD for reaving blows). This combined with outsourcing Major Courage to werewolves (the skill should REALLY be changed to minor courage, which would still make them desirable in endgame PvE without displacing healers; change minor courage from pack leader to another buff, like minor berserk or minor protection) leaves very little benefit for score push pve groups to run a designated healer when they can get all of the same benefits from more damage where heal checks are not present.

It would be nice if the bonuses that are *intended* for healers couldn’t proc from champion points (reaving blows, salve of renewal, etc.). It still doesn’t fix the issue of arc healers not having a meaningful way to use crux, but it would at least be a start.

Healers are being sort of left behind in all of these updates, and I’m genuinely afraid of it creating bigger problems that will need to be addressed later down the line for the existence of healers to be relevant in early endgame. They’ve already been regularly dropped from most 4 man simply because the benefit of a healer without specific heal checks doesn’t outweigh an extra damage dealer (and even where some heal checks are present, more damage can simply skip the mechanic in many instances). With damage becoming even more, and important buffs traditionally sourced by healers being sourceable by damage, there is a very real risk that this could become the case in earlier trials as well, displacing healers from the endgame community.

There are thousands of players who prefer to play or exclusively play healers, and it’s probably already the most competitive role for spots in organized groups. While healers in lower levels of pve or less sweaty endgame or late trials in endgame probably won’t be affected (at least not at first), it’s demoralizing to think your potential cap on your role is being lowered, not because you can never be good enough, but because you simply won’t be relevant.