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Lightning staff Concussion effect and Force Pulse problem
GrigorijMalahevich
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Hello all!
Since the DB update on Xbox, I have changed my inferno staff to lightning and compared to medium weaves of inferno staff - Force Pulse extra damage doesn't proc every time on lightning staff light and heavy attacks.
With Destruction Staff equipped:
* Increases your chance of afflicting enemies with Chilled, Concussion, and Burning status effects by 100%.
Burning applies to med/heavy inferno staff attacks and then procs force pulse extra dmg, but for some reason, Concussion doesn't happen on my light/heavy lightning staff attacks…
Is it a fix, bug or I am misunderstanding something? Tested it in PvP and then PvE, but forgot to make a video - will post it tomorrow.
Another question - Is it worth it to put on lightning staff - shock enchant - can lightning staff and shock enchant proc Disintegrate separately (like 6%+6%)? Basically is it worth it to have a Shock enchant on Lightning staff or as my sorc is a Dunmer I would be better of with Fire enchant with slight bonus dmg.
Thank you very much!
Since the DB update on Xbox, I have changed my inferno staff to lightning and compared to medium weaves of inferno staff - Force Pulse extra damage doesn't proc every time on lightning staff light and heavy attacks.
With Destruction Staff equipped:
* Increases your chance of afflicting enemies with Chilled, Concussion, and Burning status effects by 100%.
Burning applies to med/heavy inferno staff attacks and then procs force pulse extra dmg, but for some reason, Concussion doesn't happen on my light/heavy lightning staff attacks…
Is it a fix, bug or I am misunderstanding something? Tested it in PvP and then PvE, but forgot to make a video - will post it tomorrow.
Another question - Is it worth it to put on lightning staff - shock enchant - can lightning staff and shock enchant proc Disintegrate separately (like 6%+6%)? Basically is it worth it to have a Shock enchant on Lightning staff or as my sorc is a Dunmer I would be better of with Fire enchant with slight bonus dmg.
Thank you very much!
PC/EU 800 CP.
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juhasman✭✭✭✭Burning, concussion and chilled status effects are not giving same bonuses. That makes all types of staffs unique. About enchants yes lightning enchant have chance to proc implosion but You can also put enchant increasing weapon and spell dmg by 348. Lightning enchant will deal some dmg each 5 sec and will have chance to proc implosion each 5 sec when enemie is under 15% hp. Enchant increasing spell dmg will give You around 450 spell dmg more, all the time while in fight.0 -
GrigorijMalahevich✭✭✭✭✭Burning, concussion and chilled status effects are not giving same bonuses. That makes all types of staffs unique. About enchants yes lightning enchant have chance to proc implosion but You can also put enchant increasing weapon and spell dmg by 348. Lightning enchant will deal some dmg each 5 sec and will have chance to proc implosion each 5 sec when enemie is under 15% hp. Enchant increasing spell dmg will give You around 450 spell dmg more, all the time while in fight.
So shock enchant with ligthning staff will have an increased chance of implosion?
I don't know if spell damage Enchant is better than Fire/Shock enchant...PC/EU 800 CP.
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✭Valera Progib wrote: »Hello all!
Since the DB update on Xbox, I have changed my inferno staff to lightning and compared to medium weaves of inferno staff - Force Pulse extra damage doesn't proc every time on lightning staff light and heavy attacks.
With Destruction Staff equipped:
* Increases your chance of afflicting enemies with Chilled, Concussion, and Burning status effects by 100%.
Burning applies to med/heavy inferno staff attacks and then procs force pulse extra dmg, but for some reason, Concussion doesn't happen on my light/heavy lightning staff attacks…
Is it a fix, bug or I am misunderstanding something? Tested it in PvP and then PvE, but forgot to make a video - will post it tomorrow.
Another question - Is it worth it to put on lightning staff - shock enchant - can lightning staff and shock enchant proc Disintegrate separately (like 6%+6%)? Basically is it worth it to have a Shock enchant on Lightning staff or as my sorc is a Dunmer I would be better of with Fire enchant with slight bonus dmg.
Thank you very much!
@Valera Progib ,
you say:
".... but for some reason, Concussion doesn't happen on my light/heavy lightning staff attacks…"
Jip
Concussion proc rate from LA/HA seemed to me to be also very, very low when normally playing.
I was just this morning started with testing the current proc chance of the status effect "concussion" of the Lightning Staf.
Perhaps somebody reading this post knows the values, as they should be, of the proc chance for status effects in general ?
What I remember vaguely:
a direct elemental staf weapon hit was 20% proc chance
a direct single target elemental ability hit was 20% ??? proc chance
a weapon enchant (single target) elemental hit was 20% ??? proc chance
a single target elemental DOT was 5% or 8% proc chance
a AOE elemental DOT was 3% proc chance
Edited by hrothbern on 20 June 2016 14:47"I still do not understand why I followed the advice of Captain Rana to bring the villagers of Bleakrock into safety. We should have fought for our village and not have backed down, with our tail between our legs. Now my home village is in shambles, the houses burning, the invaders feasting.I swear every day to Shor that after Molag Bal has been defeated, I will hunt down the invaders and restore peace in Bleakrock and drink my mead with my friends at the market place".PC-EU0 -
GrigorijMalahevich✭✭✭✭✭@hrothbern
The status effect like Concussion should be applied in 100% of the attacks with descrution staff as per destruction staff passive:
With Destruction Staff equipped:
* Increases your chance of afflicting enemies with Chilled, Concussion, and Burning status effects by 100%.
It looks like Force Pulse was ninja nerfed and the additional bonus damage from Force Pulse now has a proc chance or is bugged and doesn't proc at all…?
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Psyonico✭✭✭Valera Progib wrote: »@hrothbern
The status effect like Concussion should be applied in 100% of the attacks with descrution staff as per destruction staff passive:
With Destruction Staff equipped:
* Increases your chance of afflicting enemies with Chilled, Concussion, and Burning status effects by 100%.
It's a relative 100% increase, not absolute.
I don't know what the base chance is, but lets say it's 10% base.
Therefore with 2 points in the passive, your chance to apply the effect would be 20%2 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Valera Progib wrote: »@hrothbern
The status effect like Concussion should be applied in 100% of the attacks with descrution staff as per destruction staff passive:
With Destruction Staff equipped:
* Increases your chance of afflicting enemies with Chilled, Concussion, and Burning status effects by 100%.
It's a relative 100% increase, not absolute.
I don't know what the base chance is, but lets say it's 10% base.
Therefore with 2 points in the passive, your chance to apply the effect would be 20%
Exactly it does not read, "to 100%" but reads, "by 100%"
I have found the concussion effect and off balance by lightning Heavy Attack and WoE happens quite frequently0 -
hrothbern✭✭✭✭✭
✭.Waffennacht wrote: »Valera Progib wrote: »@hrothbern
The status effect like Concussion should be applied in 100% of the attacks with descrution staff as per destruction staff passive:
With Destruction Staff equipped:
* Increases your chance of afflicting enemies with Chilled, Concussion, and Burning status effects by 100%.
It's a relative 100% increase, not absolute.
I don't know what the base chance is, but lets say it's 10% base.
Therefore with 2 points in the passive, your chance to apply the effect would be 20%
Exactly it does not read, "to 100%" but reads, "by 100%"
I have found the concussion effect and off balance by lightning Heavy Attack and WoE happens quite frequently
As mentioned in a post above from me: I intended to test it.
I did meanwhile a thorough test on the proc chance of lightning status effects with big numbers:
The base proc chance for status effects is 10%. Your buffs to increase this are additive.
So if you have the Destro passive "Elemental Force" unlocked with two skill points you get 100% of that 10% as increase for a total of 20% proc chance.
And if you have the passive AND a Charge Trait on your Staf (gold), you get 100% from the passive and 220% from the Weapon trait of that 10% as increase for a total of 42% proc chance.
However:
LA and HA have 0.0% chance to proc.
You can only get that crystal clear when you fight against one enemy.
IF there is an enemy "nearby" the target enemy that you hit with your HA lightning Staf, IF you have the Destro passive Tri Focus unlocked, each Heavy Attack DOT tick will proc with 100% chance a splash damage called "Shock" to the nearby enemy.
THIS Shock splash damage has a base 10% proc chance on elemental status on that nearby enemy.
Take note that the last tick of the HA Lightning, called Shock Pulse, AFTER 4 Heavy Attack DOT ticks, is NOT a DOT and is NOT proccing the Splash Damage "Shock" to a nearby enemy.
And although it is called Shock Pulse, it does not proc the Lightning status effect.
For abilities:
Not all shock abilities do proc the elemental status. But when an ability does proc it, it has a base proc chance of 10%.
For example Lightning Splash and morphs do NOT proc the elemental status, not even at a very low chance. Zero.
Edited by hrothbern on 21 June 2016 15:58"I still do not understand why I followed the advice of Captain Rana to bring the villagers of Bleakrock into safety. We should have fought for our village and not have backed down, with our tail between our legs. Now my home village is in shambles, the houses burning, the invaders feasting.I swear every day to Shor that after Molag Bal has been defeated, I will hunt down the invaders and restore peace in Bleakrock and drink my mead with my friends at the market place".PC-EU1 -
GrigorijMalahevich✭✭✭✭✭.Waffennacht wrote: »Valera Progib wrote: »@hrothbern
The status effect like Concussion should be applied in 100% of the attacks with descrution staff as per destruction staff passive:
With Destruction Staff equipped:
* Increases your chance of afflicting enemies with Chilled, Concussion, and Burning status effects by 100%.
It's a relative 100% increase, not absolute.
I don't know what the base chance is, but lets say it's 10% base.
Therefore with 2 points in the passive, your chance to apply the effect would be 20%
Exactly it does not read, "to 100%" but reads, "by 100%"
I have found the concussion effect and off balance by lightning Heavy Attack and WoE happens quite frequently
As mentioned in a post above from me: I intended to test it.
I did meanwhile a thorough test on the proc chance of lightning status effects with big numbers:
The base proc chance for status effects is 10%. Your buffs to increase this are additive.
So if you have the Destro passive "Elemental Force" unlocked with two skill points you get 100% of that 10% as increase for a total of 20% proc chance.
And if you have the passive AND a Charge Trait on your Staf (gold), you get 100% from the passive and 220% from the Weapon trait of that 10% as increase for a total of 42% proc chance.
However:
LA and HA have 0.0% chance to proc.
You can only get that crystal clear when you fight against one enemy.
IF there is an enemy "nearby" the target enemy that you hit with your HA lightning Staf, IF you have the Destro passive Tri Focus unlocked, each Heavy Attack DOT tick will proc with 100% chance a splash damage called "Shock" to the nearby enemy.
THIS Shock splash damage has a base 10% proc chance on that nearby enemy.
Take note that the last tick of the HA Lightning, called Shock Pulse, AFTER 4 Heavy Attack DOT ticks, is NOT a DOT and is NOT proccing the Splash Damage "Shock" to a nearby enemy.
And although it is called Shock Pulse, it does not proc the Lightning status effect.
For abilities:
Not all shock abilities do proc the elemental status. But when an ability does proc it, it has a base proc chance of 10%.
For example Lightning Splash and morphs do NOT proc the elemental status, not even at a very low chance. Zero.
Wow. That is a very nice test.
@Wrobel Can the team investigate? It is obviously not working as intended...PC/EU 800 CP.
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