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Vehemence Rolling Blue.

x99Needles
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I have spent a lot of time on the Pact. I remember when we were on the bottom, turtled in Arrius over night, stuck at our gates every morning, when we struggled, when we actually fought for our victories. And I have watched us rise to the top. It's an indisputable fact, EP dominates PvP. The maps go red with little to no resistance. The amount of coordination and guilds EP has are the biggest reason why.

Vehemence is re-rolling DC. This was not a decision that I made lightly, nor a request I made to my guildies with a light heart. The fact is EP no longer requires our presence, maybe for a little while there, but no longer. EP is too strong, the guilds are too prevalent and the opposition too weak. AD has a few guilds remaining, and they have the population. DC has almost no one. They have the population but 90% of this faction solos and pugs and because of it there is no leadership, no aspiration, and they get destroyed.

Population imbalance is not something anyone can argue. We all see it, we all complain about it, we wish it would change. There are a lot of things in Cyrodiil we as players cannot affect. Lag, skill imbalance, exploiters, but pop balance, this is something we as the players can directly affect. No one really wants to, re rolling sucks, leveling sucks, starting over sucks.But getting online and watching the maps go red and farming pugs and jumping servers looking for fights. That sucks more. I don't believe in complacency. And that's where I feel we are with EP. There is no next level, there is no more to achieve. We are the strongest faction and we know it.

I made this thread because I know most of you already heard VE was going blue. I wanted to make sure my reasons and intentions were not diluted. I love EP. I have bled red from beta, most all of my guys have. I have invested so much time into my toon and my faction and my guild. I don't look at it like I'm throwing anything away, or betraying anyone. This goes beyond a color. I waited three years for this game, I cannot sit on the sidelines and watch it burn. PvP is on a decline, it's a two faction game in Cyrodiil. This game is on a decline. I believe we can make a difference on DC, we can help. And if all we achieve is shifting the pop imbalance slightly then that's all we end up achieving. But I cannot not try. We could see a tri-faction Cyrodiil again. DC just needs teamwork like EP and AD.

We are re-rolling because the state of the game demands that something in Cyrodiil change. I believe this could strengthen DC and weaken EP just a bit. I have no hard feelings towards EP as a faction or anyone on the faction. I don't hate anyone or have bitter resentment towards any guild or players. This is purely for the state of the game. EP is so strong because of the amazing teamwork instituted in EP and the guilds that reside there. On EP I felt like we were part of the problem, and on DC I'm hoping to be part of the solution. I have enjoyed every second of my time on EP.

Thank you :)
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  • Angavar
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    Good stuff! Glad to see you taking the inititive and doing what the other EP guilds were too proud or stubborn to do themselves.

    This was much needed, and I look forward to DC becoming a competitive faction once again with your help.

    Thanks to you and your players for taking the plunge!
    S'irinar the Shadow - VR14 NB (AD)
    Antakh the Bold - VR6 DK (AD)
    Arkoth the Darkweaver - VR5 Sorc (AD)
  • Zheg
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    Hope you at least wait until they lower the XP cap for vet levels, because honestly, dat vet grind is no joke yo, and has been one of the most frequently cited reason for players leaving the game. One thing I've noticed is EP and AD tend to have many many more players at higher alliance ranks, and I think a large part of that is DC players pvp on alts more often (I know it's true at least for myself) and alliance ranks aren't tied to an account. I'd also point out that it's hard to grind out another 7 million AP to get those pvp passives and skills like vigor when there aren't stupid DC to be farmed at Ales farm any more :) but, best of luck to you.

    ==Vehemence raid lead== and a surviving member of ==Mostly Harmless==

    V16 Breton Temp - Zig Zheg
    V16 Khajiit Sorc - Zheg
    V16 Dark Elf DK - Zhegg
    V16 Imperial NB - Zegai
    V12 High Elf NB - Zhig
  • RadioheadSh0t
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    It's good to see a move like this because I think this is good for the overall health of the game. Look forward to seeing you on the battlefield, and while one guild swapping campaigns isn't going to change everything, it will help.
    Aldonius Direnni - Vet Altmer Sorc (AD)
    Tyrus Telvanni - Vet Dunmer DK (AD)
    Al Donius Bundy - Vet Imperial NB (AD)
    Aldonius Brutus - Vet Orc DK (DC)
  • EskimoBrother
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    Good stuff guys, much respect.


    -Clayton Bigsby
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  •  Jules
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    Really well said Bulb(ybear). It's encouraging to come here and see that people of all factions support this and see the true intent behind this move. Looking forward to having good fights with everyone.
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    DC - Juri . Julsie . Jukes. Jules . Joux.
    AD - Jules XII . Julmanji. Jubaited . Joy


    Rest In Peace G
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  • frozywozy
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    Great decision there Bulb and VE. We will surely miss you in EP and I'm looking forward for the fights. I must say, if alliance ranks were account bound, I would have done that a long time ago.

    Edited by frozywozy on 23 June 2015 23:38
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    • Change emperorship to value faction score points and not alliance points - see this and this
    • Fix the permanent block animation - see examples : link1 link2 link3 link4 link5
    • Change Retreating Maneuvers to apply only to 12 players and give it the Streak treatment
    • Add 2 more quickslots to the wheel or add a different wheel for sieges weaponry only
    • Gives players 10 minutes to get back into Cyrodiil after relogging / crashing
    • Increase Forward Momentum snare immunity duration to 8 seconds
    • Assign specific group sizes to specific campaigns (24-16-8)
    • Make forward camps impossible to place near objectives
    • Add an escape move to templars other than mist form
    • Fix crashes when approaching a keep under attack
    • Make snares only available from ground effects
    • Change emperorship to last minimum 24hours
    • Fix body sliding after cc breaking too quickly
    • Fix the speed drop while jumping - see video
    • Bring back dynamic ulti regeneration
    • Fix speed bug (abilities locked)
    • Lower population cap by 20%
    • Add Snare Immunity potions
    • Wtb dynamic population
    • Fix long loading screens
    • Bring ResSickness
    • Fix gap closer bug
    • Fix health desync
    • Fix combat bug
    • Fix server lag
  • DoctorSwampy
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    x99Needles wrote: »
    I have spent a lot of time on the Pact. I remember when we were on the bottom, turtled in Arrius over night, stuck at our gates every morning, when we struggled, when we actually fought for our victories. And I have watched us rise to the top. It's an indisputable fact, EP dominates PvP. The maps go red with little to no resistance. The amount of coordination and guilds EP has are the biggest reason why.

    Vehemence is re-rolling DC. This was not a decision that I made lightly, nor a request I made to my guildies with a light heart. The fact is EP no longer requires our presence, maybe for a little while there, but no longer. EP is too strong, the guilds are too prevalent and the opposition too weak. AD has a few guilds remaining, and they have the population. DC has almost no one. They have the population but 90% of this faction solos and pugs and because of it there is no leadership, no aspiration, and they get destroyed.

    Population imbalance is not something anyone can argue. We all see it, we all complain about it, we wish it would change. There are a lot of things in Cyrodiil we as players cannot affect. Lag, skill imbalance, exploiters, but pop balance, this is something we as the players can directly affect. No one really wants to, re rolling sucks, leveling sucks, starting over sucks.But getting online and watching the maps go red and farming pugs and jumping servers looking for fights. That sucks more. I don't believe in complacency. And that's where I feel we are with EP. There is no next level, there is no more to achieve. We are the strongest faction and we know it.

    I made this thread because I know most of you already heard VE was going blue. I wanted to make sure my reasons and intentions were not diluted. I love EP. I have bled red from beta, most all of my guys have. I have invested so much time into my toon and my faction and my guild. I don't look at it like I'm throwing anything away, or betraying anyone. This goes beyond a color. I waited three years for this game, I cannot sit on the sidelines and watch it burn. PvP is on a decline, it's a two faction game in Cyrodiil. This game is on a decline. I believe we can make a difference on DC, we can help. And if all we achieve is shifting the pop imbalance slightly then that's all we end up achieving. But I cannot not try. We could see a tri-faction Cyrodiil again. DC just needs teamwork like EP and AD.

    We are re-rolling because the state of the game demands that something in Cyrodiil change. I believe this could strengthen DC and weaken EP just a bit. I have no hard feelings towards EP as a faction or anyone on the faction. I don't hate anyone or have bitter resentment towards any guild or players. This is purely for the state of the game. EP is so strong because of the amazing teamwork instituted in EP and the guilds that reside there. On EP I felt like we were part of the problem, and on DC I'm hoping to be part of the solution. I have enjoyed every second of my time on EP.

    Thank you :)

    Sad to see you guys not roll AD, seeing as you guys are some really cool people to talk to. I'll be looking out for you all, mostly Favors because he stole my toon name! -.-
    Edited by DoctorSwampy on 23 June 2015 23:48
  • Alomar
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    Many a fun fights had beside you guys, best of luck in the land of Smurfdom. While there is definitely a lack of DC guilds actively participating, the DC pop is actually in a better place now than it was 5-6 months ago in terms of the "main campaign". Speaking as someone who rerolled from AD after several main campaign wins in a row post launch, it will be a rough ride with all of that grind, but best of luck!

    Doesn't help that AD pile into Azura's while DC and EP pile into Chillrend, so there's very often no "3 faction" system coming into play which would even things out.
    Edited by Alomar on 23 June 2015 23:51
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  • Hypertionb14_ESO
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    wow really?

    good luck...

    maybe we will get some semblance of balance in Cyrodil soon...\

    instead of you know...

    endless red blobs killing endless yellow pugs while the rare blue gets roflmao stomped by both when it shows up for any length of time?

    i personally dont have the patience after rolling 4 different Vr14s in yellow (for PvE reasons) to roll another.

    honestly if DC had half the organized guilds EP has, the faction count might actually be even somewhat.
    Edited by Hypertionb14_ESO on 23 June 2015 23:56
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  • Satiar
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    Personally, I will really miss everyone I'm leaving behind in EP.

    Havoc is a great guild full of amazing people and I'll miss working with them on the battlefield. I love all the old Hijinx guys, will always remember Bloodthorn and the good times there. To everyone else I've worked with as a Vehemence raid lead--SoTP, SWP, SoS, Nexus, Sandy, Frozn, and all the rest--I wish you all the best in battle, I'd rather be fighting with you than against you. But if this works out and factions even out a lil more as a result, I think it will be worth it.

    Plus, we'll always have Paris.

    Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead
    Auohildr Hjoras -- EP Nightblade
    Asvaldr Hjordis -- DC Nightblade
    Sierida Hjoras -- DC Sorc
    Angantyr Hjoras -- DC Templar
    Angantyr the Godsword -- AD Dragonknight
    Auøhildr Hjoras -- AD Warden



  • Dan_Fazzyub17_ESO
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    Still gonna roll on my EP DK to gank your baddie DC toon with Teargrants when raid ends for the night, Bulbybear.
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  • Poxheart
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    I said it in another thread, but I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of impact you guys have once you hit the vet campaigns. It'll be interesting to see what the addition of one truly organized guild does to the overall DC morale.
    Unsubbed and no longer playing, but still checking the Alliance War forum for the lulz.

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    Poxheart Nightblade
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    Knights of the WhiteWolf
  • Eirella
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    Wow that's really cool of you guys to do, lots of respect from me!
    And I agree with this:
    Sad to see you guys not roll AD, seeing as you guys are some really cool people to talk to.

    though DC really needs the support more than AD. Good luck leveling your toons! :smile:
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  • Draxys
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    Zheg wrote: »
    Hope you at least wait until they lower the XP cap for vet levels, because honestly, dat vet grind is no joke yo, and has been one of the most frequently cited reason for players leaving the game. One thing I've noticed is EP and AD tend to have many many more players at higher alliance ranks, and I think a large part of that is DC players pvp on alts more often (I know it's true at least for myself) and alliance ranks aren't tied to an account. I'd also point out that it's hard to grind out another 7 million AP to get those pvp passives and skills like vigor when there aren't stupid DC to be farmed at Ales farm any more :) but, best of luck to you.

    oh I wouldn't worry about ap gains, there's still tons of yellow idiots that get farmed at resources and bridges
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  • Jakeol
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    Props for rerolling to the lowest pop faction is a good move for the overall health of the game.
    Jaqqe'nova - EP v14 Nord NB
  • Fruitdog
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    Draxys wrote: »
    Zheg wrote: »
    Hope you at least wait until they lower the XP cap for vet levels, because honestly, dat vet grind is no joke yo, and has been one of the most frequently cited reason for players leaving the game. One thing I've noticed is EP and AD tend to have many many more players at higher alliance ranks, and I think a large part of that is DC players pvp on alts more often (I know it's true at least for myself) and alliance ranks aren't tied to an account. I'd also point out that it's hard to grind out another 7 million AP to get those pvp passives and skills like vigor when there aren't stupid DC to be farmed at Ales farm any more :) but, best of luck to you.

    oh I wouldn't worry about ap gains, there's still tons of yellow idiots that get farmed at resources and bridges

    Not to mention all those juicy red baddies.
  • All_Bizniz
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    Good Luck! May the fights with us be spirited and good-natured! The blood will flow freely.
  • Publius_Scipio
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    Rolling blue is fine as long as you truly flex your blue biceps.

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    Then again I don't know of Vehemence or who is a part of it. But I know Havoc all too well....
    Edited by Publius_Scipio on 24 June 2015 02:48
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  • Satiar
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    All_Bizniz wrote: »
    Good Luck! May the fights with us be spirited and good-natured! The blood will flow freely.

    I would like to keep it that way. I like to think there can be good, competitive battles in this game that do not give way to ill will on either side.
    Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead
    Auohildr Hjoras -- EP Nightblade
    Asvaldr Hjordis -- DC Nightblade
    Sierida Hjoras -- DC Sorc
    Angantyr Hjoras -- DC Templar
    Angantyr the Godsword -- AD Dragonknight
    Auøhildr Hjoras -- AD Warden



  • Pchela
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    You have my support, Bulb! I'm happy you guys are doing this. :)
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  • Snit
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    OP may threaten the record for "awesomes" by any player post :)

    Good on you, Vehemence. As an AD player, I am happy to read this. May the grind back to V14 go quickly.
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    Goblins AD Stamblade
    Goblin Gro AD Templar Healer
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  • FluffiestOne
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    Welcome to the blue side. Totally worth the vacation interruption to give this a read.
    Fluffy
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  • Waylander
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    Strong decision.

    Feels like pvp is dying and pop imbalance is one of the main contributors.

    I applaud your guilds decision and hope the re-roll is not too painful.

    Nocturnal - AD Oceanic PvP Guild
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  • blabafat
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    Hey!

    As everyone stated, props for Guild rerolling to lowest population faction. Hopefully it's only for the better! Good luck and see you guys in cyrodiil!

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  •  Jules
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    Winnamine wrote: »
    If I ever get those last 2 recipe fragments, I'll totally support the reroll efforts by making you guys xp pots :blush:
    Thats really sweet of you Winnie :)
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    AD - Jules XII . Julmanji. Jubaited . Joy


    Rest In Peace G
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