Enough is enough!! Class Change; NOW!

Eirikir · October 2020

Just do it like vampire or werewolf jump positions. To change my DK let's say to a Necro id have to have another toon leveled to max in Necro, if we need some sort of block. Personally just selling one is fine with me.

For years everyone shot down alliance swap with these same arguments and last I looked the sky never fell so who cares. Just a bunch of people who think they know "fair" trying to dictate what others should do or want. This aint got nothing to do with you. Ita between Microsoft and my wallet. Mind your business. If you wanna level an alt go for it. I aint stopping you. My time is more valuable to me then what I assume would be around $50.

MeltyLotus · October 2020

There are games where you can be any class and all have their own lvls. So you'd keep all the stuff you had but you'd lose your lvl and CP until you get that class lvled up.

That would be cool I think.

xI_The_Owl_Ix · October 2020

MeltyLotus wrote: »

There are games where you can be any class and all have their own lvls. So you'd keep all the stuff you had but you'd lose your lvl and CP until you get that class lvled up.

That would be cool I think.

I wouldnt mind losing the level (having to re-level from lvl 1 up to 50) but CP is already account wide so it could be like if you just level another char from lvl 1 to max to unlock CP.

Eirikir wrote: »

Just do it like vampire or werewolf jump positions. To change my DK let's say to a Necro id have to have another toon leveled to max in Necro, if we need some sort of block. Personally just selling one is fine with me.

For years everyone shot down alliance swap with these same arguments and last I looked the sky never fell so who cares. Just a bunch of people who think they know "fair" trying to dictate what others should do or want. This aint got nothing to do with you. Ita between Microsoft and my wallet. Mind your business. If you wanna level an alt go for it. I aint stopping you. My time is more valuable to me then what I assume would be around $50.

I would absolutely be in favour of this. I already have a max level DK which I play more than any other alts. I also 100% agree on your stance on alliance change token. The next evolution would be class change token and its 100% due.

RecktrithiusOediphitry · October 2020

Long time overdue.

Moonsorrow · October 2020

mairwen85 wrote: »

Ezabi should get it anyway.

Nooo, Ezabi is cute and innocent!

@xI_The_Owl_Ix You should have done the original picture scene but targeting a Jerboa that is named Rogue.. (can be found at Vivec City).

Rogue should get it for promcs and balamce.

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[edited for off-topic/discussing mod action]

carly · October 2020

I'm in the 'No Class Change' camp. The day I can't be bothered to level a new character is the day I know it will be time to move on to a new game. Part of the joy of creating a new character class is learning the nuances of that class and experiencing the game at lower levels all over again. People think class change tokens will reinvigorate the game for them but it won't, it's already too easy to level a character and it's the challenge of a game that keeps most people interested.

If they do decide to implement it, I predict a hoard of people at level 50 that have no clue how to play their new class and then the forums will be full of posts complaining about 'fake <insert class here>. And alternatively people that just changed their class will be complaining that they can't find groups or are being kicked from groups because they've been accused of not knowing how to play their class. And cue the 'pay to win' posts as well.

Flame away but that's my two cents after observing a few years of posts on these forums.

Solariken · October 2020

carly wrote: »

I'm in the 'No Class Change' camp. The day I can't be bothered to level a new character is the day I know it will be time to move on to a new game. Part of the joy of creating a new character class is learning the nuances of that class and experiencing the game at lower levels all over again. People think class change tokens will reinvigorate the game for them but it won't, it's already too easy to level a character and it's the challenge of a game that keeps most people interested.

If they do decide to implement it, I predict a hoard of people at level 50 that have no clue how to play their new class and then the forums will be full of posts complaining about 'fake <insert class here>. And alternatively people that just changed their class will be complaining that they can't find groups or are being kicked from groups because they've been accused of not knowing how to play their class. And cue the 'pay to win' posts as well.

Flame away but that's my two cents after observing a few years of posts on these forums.

Strange argument - if you can play one class in PvE effectively, you can play them all. The "hoard" of bad players already exists and will not change because of class change.

We need a class change to deal with the complete ineptitude ZOS has shown in dealing with class load outs. A system where you can learn all class trees would be best but I fully expect predatory monetization where you pay to swap each time.

kathandira · October 2020

Those who want this as a Token. How much are you willing to pay for it.

The level of access this provides surely wouldn't be cheap.

10,000 Crowns? 20,000 Crowns?

CompM4s · October 2020

Class change would be awesome.

xI_The_Owl_Ix · October 2020

kathandira wrote: »

Those who want this as a Token. How much are you willing to pay for it.

The level of access this provides surely wouldn't be cheap.

10,000 Crowns? 20,000 Crowns?

Ideally 5k, nothing more than 10k. There are people like me who arent going to buy skill lines/skyshards however would be willing to buy class change token, opening up a new market for ZoS. I would see this as a win-win considering the amount of people in thread who want a class change.

Alidel · October 2020

I'd rather get max char slots increased.

kathandira · October 2020

xI_The_Owl_Ix wrote: »

kathandira wrote: »

Those who want this as a Token. How much are you willing to pay for it.

The level of access this provides surely wouldn't be cheap.

10,000 Crowns? 20,000 Crowns?

Ideally 5k, nothing more than 10k. There are people like me who arent going to buy skill lines/skyshards however would be willing to buy class change token, opening up a new market for ZoS. I would see this as a win-win considering the amount of people in thread who want a class change.

Generally when crown store items are combined, it is the cost of all items, with a discount to make it worth it.

Changing a class is essentially combining all of the below to get the end result.

Skyshards (up to 50 Skill Points worth)
Skill Lines
Scrolls
Mount Training
Race Change (Potentially as your new class may also include a new role and the previous race may not be suited for it)

If you add up all those things, and tack on a generous 20% discount, might come out to the cost. 10k-20k might not be unrealistic.

xI_The_Owl_Ix · October 2020

carly wrote: »

I'm in the 'No Class Change' camp. The day I can't be bothered to level a new character is the day I know it will be time to move on to a new game. Part of the joy of creating a new character class is learning the nuances of that class and experiencing the game at lower levels all over again. People think class change tokens will reinvigorate the game for them but it won't, it's already too easy to level a character and it's the challenge of a game that keeps most people interested.

If they do decide to implement it, I predict a hoard of people at level 50 that have no clue how to play their new class and then the forums will be full of posts complaining about 'fake <insert class here>. And alternatively people that just changed their class will be complaining that they can't find groups or are being kicked from groups because they've been accused of not knowing how to play their class. And cue the 'pay to win' posts as well.

Flame away but that's my two cents after observing a few years of posts on these forums.

You should queue for random vet dungeons as a tank and you would see the horde of CP810 players who just light attack spam the boss or magicka chars randomly transforming into werewolves. Even if you queue as a DD the problem consists. I had a tank yesterday just LA spamming the boss and getting one shot because he wasnt blocking. He was CP600.

Your argument doesnt hold any merit considering the amount of max level casual players who already have no idea what to do. I think out of 50 random runs only 2 were with a decent PuG group. All the others were 5k DPS bad runs. Class change wouldnt change that. "Noobs will be noobs"

xI_The_Owl_Ix · October 2020

kathandira wrote: »

xI_The_Owl_Ix wrote: »

kathandira wrote: »

Those who want this as a Token. How much are you willing to pay for it.

The level of access this provides surely wouldn't be cheap.

10,000 Crowns? 20,000 Crowns?

Ideally 5k, nothing more than 10k. There are people like me who arent going to buy skill lines/skyshards however would be willing to buy class change token, opening up a new market for ZoS. I would see this as a win-win considering the amount of people in thread who want a class change.

Generally when crown store items are combined, it is the cost of all items, with a discount to make it worth it.

Changing a class is essentially combining all of the below to get the end result.

Skyshards (up to 50 Skill Points worth)
Skill Lines
Scrolls
Mount Training
Race Change (Potentially as your new class may also include a new role and the previous race may not be suited for it)

If you add up all those things, and tack on a generous 20% discount, might come out to the cost. 10k-20k might not be unrealistic.

Nope that doesnt make sense... lets say my character has 0 skyhards picked up, 0 mount training and not even all the skillines. Then the class change would have to give me all those things. Which realistically it wouldnt. Its a class change nothing more, nothing less. I dont need mount training, skyshards, scrolls???, or a race change when I buy a class change. A bundle with all these things would be nice for some people, but this is not the topic.

Please think about a rational argument against class change instead of coming up with these crazy theories. Your whole anti class change stance doesnt make sense. Theres rationally no point in not having it, except that it would be "less money" for ZoS, which again could be argued that class change opens up a new market for people who arent going to buy skyshards/skilllines but would be willing to buy class change. This would bring ZoS money from people who arent buying crowns atm.

Another counter argument is if they didnt give us race change token it would ultimately bring ZoS more money because people would have to create an alt with the right race and then buy skyshards/skill lines etc. So looking at race change and a potentional class change I can safely say that it wouldnt cost as much as all the things you listed. 5-6k is a very realistic price considering race change costs 3k.

Dark_Lord_Kuro · October 2020

xI_The_Owl_Ix wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

Just make a new character, it isn't that difficult. I have a character of each class

Youre right it isnt. I have several chars, all of them lvl 50 and geared out.

But you know what is difficult and extremely time consuming?
- Getting 110+title
- just go for those plan to use on the new character

- Gathering 30k+ achievement points
you already got them on the first one, no need to get on both

Finding and reading 3k+ lorebooks
Only read egnough for mageguild lvl10, still long but not as much

- Learning the majority of style books
- Learning 500+ furnishing plans
- Researching every trait
Uses your NB as your crafter, most poeple i speak to only craft on one character also the the outfit station work for the whole accout

- Maxing out your mount
Ok this on is long and really useful

- PvPing and lvling up your rank
If you mostly pvp it will go up on its own

- Playing for almost 250 days 5959h

You speak like you are starting over wivh is really not the case you still have everything you earned and still as the same value

xI_The_Owl_Ix · October 2020

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

xI_The_Owl_Ix wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

Just make a new character, it isn't that difficult. I have a character of each class

Youre right it isnt. I have several chars, all of them lvl 50 and geared out.

But you know what is difficult and extremely time consuming?
- Getting 110+title
- just go for those plan to use on the new character

- Gathering 30k+ achievement points
you already got them on the first one, no need to get on both

Finding and reading 3k+ lorebooks
Only read egnough for mageguild lvl10, still long but not as much

- Learning the majority of style books
- Learning 500+ furnishing plans
- Researching every trait
Uses your NB as your crafter, most poeple i speak to only craft on one character also the the outfit station work for the whole accout

- Maxing out your mount
Ok this on is long and really useful

- PvPing and lvling up your rank
If you mostly pvp it will go up on its own

- Playing for almost 250 days 5959h

You speak like you are starting over wivh is really not the case you still have everything you earned and still as the same value

You missed the point.

Ardan147 · October 2020

I'd rather get more character slots.

Vlad9425 · October 2020

Enough is enough!! Just level an alt like people have already been doing for years smh

Wolfpaw · October 2020

I'm all for a Class Change Token, add it to the crown store like skyshards & skill lines...if you have leveled a class to 50, that class is unlocked.

LadyLethalla · October 2020

If class change was available... I would say SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY. And I would have done it a long time ago.

xI_The_Owl_Ix · October 2020

LadyLethalla wrote: »

If class change was available... I would say SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY. And I would have done it a long time ago.

If class change was available I would buy it before anybody could say "shut up and take my money". Ive been playing on my DK the past days and I cant describe how much I want my main to be a DK, its just so much more fun to me, and the saddest part is that I cant change him because there isnt a way of doing so...

@ZOS_GinaBruno please!!

MirandaSharp · October 2020

[snip] Want another character... Just create one and play with it!

[Edited to remove Baiting]

MirandaSharp · October 2020

Youyouz06 wrote: »

I have 8 characters and I agree with the cat kidnapper...I can't be ***ed making any more characters and levelling them with everything, Mage's guild, Psijics, Undaunted etc. I've done more race changing than character development because it's long and annoying at this point. Also the fact that the skill lines mentioned above can be sold in crowns, this really pushed the motivation to grind right down.

So, if you think it's that important you pay. It's the only way to know how if you think it's important or not. If you're not willing to pay, it's simply not that important to you.

xI_The_Owl_Ix · October 2020

MirandaSharp wrote: »

[snip] Want another character... Just create one and play with it!

Im lazy because I dont have the time to put another 6 thousand hours into an alt character JUST to re-do everything my main character already has? Youre clearly missing the point here.

Read the #4 post in this thread, it should give you an idea what a class change is about... p.s. leveling a character in 3 days to lvl 50 isnt the issue.

Wolfpaw · October 2020

MirandaSharp wrote: »

[snip] Want another character... Just create one and play with it!

Nah, not wanting to repeat all the content that goes into a main two times is not lazy,...

Having the time in your life to do all that goes into a main two times is lazy.

Athan1 · October 2020

I've been playing other MMORPGs lately and many of them do allow class change. But if you could class change in ESO then ZOS would lose money so they encourage the alt-itis fever.

xI_The_Owl_Ix · October 2020

Athan1 wrote: »

I've been playing other MMORPGs lately and many of them do allow class change. But if you could class change in ESO then ZOS would lose money so they encourage the alt-itis fever.

The thing is... we already have race change token which also causes ZoS "to lose money" because people dont have to create an alt in the right race and then buy skyshards etc., so technically I dont see why a class change token for 5-6k crowns would break the camels back when we already have a very similiar token on the crown store.

MirandaSharp · October 2020

Wolfpaw wrote: »

MirandaSharp wrote: »

[snip] Want another character... Just create one and play with it!

Nah, not wanting to repeat all the content that goes into a main two times is not lazy,...

Having the time in your life to do all that goes into a main two times is lazy.

I thought that's what MMOs were all about... "wasting time"(like watching TV). You can always just buy the skill lines, if you have a character that levelled those. Look all the money, time and effort spent into this game will all go *poof*, because it isn't real... (like watching TV). Have fun while it lasts!

Xerge · October 2020

Narvuntien wrote: »

Just make a new character, it isn't that difficult. I have a character of each class

Obviously, way to go. It's what we've all been doing because we don't have a choice. Way to go on your discovery

LadyLethalla · October 2020

I too have a character of each class & not quite every spec (and a couple the same). I also want to get the most achievements done on my main, who is a stamblade, because she has the most achievements on her already, most of which I would never bother getting again - as noted by OP, it's already been a huge investment of my time.
That changing her to a sorc, probably a magsorc, which would render my 6th toon largely obsolete is merely inconsequential, since I could always respec him to stamina.
So yeah... IMO, arguments about "just make another alt" aren't at all valid.