My Breton Sorcerer, I use Julianos (chest heavy, head medium) with Mother's Sorrow (weapons & jewelry) Monster set - Ilambris and its a fun set to run around with (all gold) Its not BIS but you can hold your own with this set up. You can use this set up for trials and once you collect enough trial gear, switch it over for Vet content.

Lots of options, Good luck!

PN

Unless the graphic chat about women's private parts was violent, sexually threatening toward a specific individual, etc than I agree it is innapropriate but hate speech?

Annonimity makes socially inept people brave. People whose opinion I don't respect can't offend me and in all my years of online gaming I can count on one hand the actual times I saw hate speech.

Yes, report them and ignore them but to actually get upset about the comments of trolls is not healthy.

And yes, I AM a woman

LadyNalcarya schrieb: »

Raideen schrieb: »

LadyNalcarya schrieb: »

Raideen schrieb: »

Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. I wish more people learned this valuable lesson.

People should not put up with discrimination, though. Things like racism, sexism etc lead to much more than just "hurt feelings". Of course, harassment in games is only a small part of a big problem, but it doesn't mean that it's not a problem at all.

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I have delt with people making fun of me for physical imperfections for over 30 years. I learned a long time ago that the best way to deal with it, was to ignore their commentary...because what they were saying was not true, it was just being said to be hurtful. I stop letting it hurt me and life is better.

The biggest change any person can do to the world, is change themselves.

So in other words, we should blame the victims of harassment for "allowing it to hurt them" instead of harassers? That's not very constructive. Sure, it's not possible to get rid of all evil, but it doesn't mean that we should give up trying and just accept it. Mental health is a real thing, and trying to harm people psychologically is no better than trying to hit them.
Shifting focus from perpetrators to victims only empowers said perpetrators and creates a very unwelcoming atmosphere. Games are supposed to be fun for everyone participating, they're not here to test your mental strength or something. Harassment is already against ESO rules, the problem is that these rules aren't enforced as often as they should be.

It's not about blame. It's about taking responsibility to do what you can do as an individual, and in fact its the embodiment of being constructive. And I never said we should give in to evil, but what you and many others are suggesting is an authoritarian rule that expects everyone to be in a little box. The very action of interaction also dictates that both parties must prepare for results that go against their desire.

Secondly. Actual harassment and what many call harassment are two totally, completely different things.

I get harassed DAILY on these forums and nothing is done about it. I go out of my way to ensure the conversation is on topic and civil, and I am constantly bullied. I know this means I am on point, [snip]

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To be honest, I've been wondering about that for a while.
We all play in the same "world", right ? I mean, at least if we play on the same megaserver. I play on PC/EU. I've seen and heard my share of insults, trolls and stuff not nice to hear over 6+ years, whether directed at me or at other people.
But frankly, none of them was ever targeted at my gender (I'm a woman), at least in my personal interpretation. They'd have been the same if targeted towards a guy. Besides, objectively, no "stranger" can know our real life gender in the game.
On the other hand, obviously, some players report regular or frequent sexist harassment on that same PC/EU megaserver. I don't doubt their testimonies, but I wonder if there's maybe an interpretation thing here.
I'm definitely not a fan of the "stick and stones" thing, but there's no denial that in communication, there's a emitting and a receiving end, and that both ends play an active role.

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Umbro100 schrieb: »

Raideen schrieb: »

Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. I wish more people learned this valuable lesson.

This is just wrong on so many levels.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/tech-support/201308/why-words-can-hurt-least-much-sticks-and-stones

That's just a ton more complex than "words do or don't hurt". There's a lot of weight in "what", "who", "why" and most importantly "should it?“.

I've had my self-esteem somewhere down in the drain for a long time because of what a family member used to say during arguments (here's "what") until I realised that even if they are a person who is dear to me and whose opinion I value (here's "who") they attacked me specifically because we were fighting and I said some nasty stuff too (here's "why"). But all that stuff didn't reflect what they really think about me and simply isn't true (here's finally "should?“). Spoiler: no, it shouldn't hurt.

As unpleasant as this experience was (0/10, won't recommend), it gave me quite clear understanding of how little most of the words really mean and how important it is to know for yourself when you are reacting to something that's not worth it.

To sum it up: words really shouldn't hurt you per se. It's intention behind them and if there's any weight. If a random tells me I'm fat and stupid - I don't care, they are no one and most likely just trolling, if my mom does - I'd get upset because either it's true or my mom tries to hurt me for some reason.

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First point:
Who limits you to using a staff as a magicka player? I see plenty of players running dual-wield swords, two-handed great swords, and sword & board setups.

Also, I think there are plenty of threads on the Forums on more magicka based weapons, such as magickal wands, etc.

Second point:
I have no idea, lol

ccfeeling schrieb: »

I think ZOS only listen the feedback from high tier players ?

If only that was true... The way I see it ZOS is not currently listening to feedback from anyone. Not even class reps. They are just doing their thing, which is sometimes pretty misguided.

I support discussion of this topic on the forums, and I'm glad that the OP put this here. Bringing this behavior to light in a social forum is important to reinforcing empathy and understanding of how forms of discrimination have a real world effect on the game's participants.

I saw a bunch of sexist garbage in Elsweyr zone chat yesterday, but to be perfectly honest I didn't report it and just ignored it because it takes too much effort to actually screenshot the entire conversation, log and/or figure out player names, and then organize and submit all of that content. If I did that every time I saw something offensive, I'd be doing it all day instead of playing. So, ZOS, one suggestion for feedback - make this process simpler.

Another observation I have is that despite the fact that some words have clearly been filtered out for guild, player, and user names, some stuff weirdly appears to get through. I saw someone with an obvious racial slur embedded in their player name the other day. How can that be allowed to even happen? How did that name even get into the system in the first place?

We have free speech in the US. People can say what they want and be as offensive as they want as long as they are not violating the civil rights of others. However, I can say with fair confidence that the leadership of many major global companies are really focusing on discriminatory problems that exist in the US and elsewhere, and tackling hate speech is a part of that, because the speech reflects ideas that, although allowable to have, are unacceptable to express because they reinforce the biases that lay beneath and drive actual discrimination. If ZOS wants to have a player community that is inclusive and accepting of all people, they need to have the necessary management tools and a clear expression of intent that prevents hate speech and the expression of discrimination or violence against a particular demographic subset of the population. I think the TOS does the latter part pretty well, but the actual implementation of their intent is where things fall short - and I think that's what this thread is about.

Oh dear, OP, you did the right thing - reporting and talking about it.

How can anyone say to her to shut up and not to feed the troll ? This is about raising awareness. Targeted or not targeted, hate speech has to be publicly condemned. And really, doesn't matter if it's based on gender, race or something else.

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