Didn't say it was cheese. Just didn't see the point of such a parse.novemberhhh schrieb: »Well since pvp cp and slimecraw are "cheese" to some heres more or less the same thing with actual pve cp.
Wait, so do you usually have someone else draining the dummy?novemberhhh schrieb: »Had to self ele drain as well since its early here and no one on the friends list is on, rip. So I didn't actually go afk this time.
Thank you very much! Now I get your point. I do agree that not attacking is why some people do extremely low dps. I watch DDs closely when I see super low group dps, some people don't attack the boss half of the time. They are just moving around and occasionally doing a light attack or two. Most just move around too much and have very mismatched weapons. Like 2 hander on 1 bar and the lightning staff on the other.novemberhhh schrieb: »edit: To clarify, the point is that hitting practically zero dps is certainly a "put on actual dps gear, and dont be afk 98% of the time" issue.

ForeverJenn schrieb: »So I levelled a tank over the weekend. Several times, while doing my random normal dungeons, I'd get groups of 3 500+CP. These groups were pulling 5-8k dps as a group, with me doing about 40% as a tank. How is this even possible? I am asking because I only tank and heal and am 810+ and my friends range from 18k to 60k per person. How are ppl this high doing less dps then my lowbie tank? I just wonder how this is possible, as I'm not dps, but even if I do try, I can at least pull 18k without knowing what I'm doing. Bots maybe?
Possible whispered conversation between the other players:dd#1: so, you guys just hit 50th, too huh?
dd#2: yeah, still got my level 10 training gear, crap skills slotted for xp boost. no cp allocated yet
heal: me, too; levelling skills/passives just queued and figured I''d get carried.
all together: lol, well looks like the tank has got this xD

ForeverJenn schrieb: »Possible. Out of three times this happened, I LEGITIMATELY asked, "why is the dps so low?" Only one ever responded, "OpPoSeD tO tHroWinG a TaNtRuM?!" Like, they got offended over a question. Which leads me to believe I'm not the first person to say something....
Altho....it happened again last night in WGT. They were doing about 6k dps, but luckily the dps were receptive to instructions and over doubled and we were able to get through eventually. The healer was clueless and heavy attacked the with their resto staff, never went to a back bar, never used a buff or any assist. Heavy resto and the occasional small heal. They were even attacking the invincible phase at last boss. They only said "Not English sry" lol
group/tank: why is dps so low?
group/dd#1: <remains silent>
group/dd#2: <remains silent>
group/heal: no english, sry
whisper dd#1: nice touch heal
whisper dd#2: maybe we should kick the tank; wasn't expecting a real one, maybe we can get a proper kiting 40k+ dps turkey-puncher?
whisper heal: nah, tank is doing 40% dps, we might end up with another wet noodle like us. anyway the salt could get entertaining
whisper together: lol
ESO_Nightingale schrieb: »This entire thread seems to just be saying "nerf warden and necro". While I understand that templar has some critical problems, so do other classes including both warden and necromancer and it feels like you all are just saying that they have everything when they absolutely do not, for example, the common argument said about warden is "they have every buff", well, while we have a significant amount of named buffs and definitely more than I would personally think is reasonable, we legitimately need those to be viable because warden has a lack of quantity and quality class damage skills that don't have much synergy with eachother. Magicka Warden was for the longest time the worst dps before it got more raw damage buffs, meanwhile Stamina Warden as of Stonethorn is still one of the worst dps classes in pve, Warden DPS just generally cannot access it's class specific utility in pve because it's so ingrained to be used by tanks and healers, while additionally our green balance skills aren't used as much by dps in PvP because they underperform a noticeable amount compared to other healing skills and chiefly because of arctic blast's health scaling healing, natures embrace still has rubber band issues that are partly due to how slow the projectile moves.
I can't speak as much for necromancer but it has issues with several bugs and ai issues with it's pets which make it restricted and clunky, and the tethers are still extremely wonky to use, magicka necromancer is still quite bad in pvp.
Yes, stamina warden and necromancer are top tier in pvp, and necromancer has been an issue in pve. and they need to be toned down, but just know that these classes aren't without their issues either. all classes deserve tuning and treatment.
