Langeston schrieb: »

Like I said in my previous post, I'm not trying to say magplar is OP or top tier — but to say that it's weaker than magblade is simply absurd. Either you don't fully understand how magblade works, you're not being honest with yourself, (or me) or it's a case of the grass being greener on the other side.

[Addendum] If you want to get into PVP tier lists, they apparently agree that magplar is stronger in 4 of 6 categories, — every case outside of solo play. This can almost 100% be attributed to the fact that magblades are simply better at escaping due to Shadowy Disguise/Shade. If you want to try playing a build that uses Dark Cloak instead of Shadowy Disguise though, I think you'll wind up wishing you were on a magplar. Shade without Shadowy Disguise simply prolongs the inevitable in the same way spamming heals does, and your damage output is even worse.

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Seriously, what is compelling you, who seem to love NBs, to come into a thread dedicated to discussing the problems Templars are having?

Number of times in the past 6 years I went into a "NBs have problems" thread to whine about my templar. Zero.

Like what's the motivation? Are you seriously going to sit there and try to convince me or that anyone who has mained a Templar that Templars really aren't all that bad this patch? Is this a joke? You don't main one, you don;t care about them, you haven't been invested in them for 6 years and thus just have an outsider's perspective of where templars have been in this game. Go ahead and prove to me and others your deep knowledge of templars. Tell me how their skills have changed since launch, when those changes happened, and how those changes have forced Templars to alter their gameplay. I'm guessing you can't. Just like I couldn't with NBs - which is why I don;t go in those NB threads and lecture them how they're wrong about their own class. And yet, here you are. Like, how much intellectual conceit does that take?

Yes, I want to get into PvP tier lists to disabuse an utterly moronic notion. Any tier list that makes it a point to mention "class is good in groups" means the class sucks. "Good in groups" means when it's left to its own class devices, it fails. Or shall we put on our Tinder profiles, "Hey, when I hang out with you and your friends, I'm a total blast. On nights where it's just us, well, umm, yeah, I good with groups though!" Oh boy, I can't wait to roll a Templar and join a zerg to hide my class's failings! It opens up so many options for viable PvP experiences! Eso devs: "Play as you want!" Eso non-templars: "Yeah, its totally cool that if templars play as they want they'll suck because they decent in groups!

If you want to act as a voice of reason against perceived bias, then a good place to start is know the class and not be biased yourself. There are numerous things Templar players say that I don't necessarily agree with. When I do raise these disagreements I don;t do it in a way that downplays the overall point (templars have major issues), don;t refer to some questionable justification for those problems (good in groups), don't try to marginalize templar problems (but, but look at NBs!), and with the knowledge I do have about the class, suggest an alternative solution to the problem (templars have major issues). Such a perspective would be valuable, but you didn;t go this route. Everything in that spoiler was "wah, Puncturing Sweeps is so much better than Swallow Soul, stop pointing out the disadvantages of evasion, and ZoS has ruined my NB skills." It's absolutely freaking amazing that when Templars point out the gameplay issues of Puncturing Strikes, you dismiss these and provide mathematical calculations of every single Strike hitting its target while at the same time whining to us that "Merciless is completely unreliable." This goes beyond cognitive dissonance.

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