T3hasiangod wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

T3hasiangod wrote: »

keto3000 wrote: »

I respect all the posters on this thread, however, it would be helpful if those of you who question the effective performance of this particular build and its comparison to other "meta" builds post some bona fide parses showing Combat Metrics.

I'm not good at doing parses, but I know many here are highly competent and post parses regularly many builds.

That would be more germaine to this discussion, imo. Thank you for consideration.

There were parses done back when Elsweyr was first released.

Might want to check Xy's parses. He actually understands how to run the build, and isn't letting UI drop off to "prove" a point. This is, at least, the third time you've presented a parse of one of Xy's builds that clearly didn't follow the build's mechanics so you could say, "see, it's garbage."

T3hasiangod wrote: »

Xynode's Easy Sorc (directly pulled rotation, gear, and CP from his website)

But ok, I guess you think that a build literally called "Easy Sorc" is sooooooo difficult for an end-game player to do correctly. Ironic that you're making that claim no?

I already have a litany of videos scheduled to make to clear up common misconceptions on end-game PvE in ESO though, so what's one more on top of that?

I mean, there's always the possibility of honest testing. I realize you've got an agenda, but if you're going to fudge things, you want to be a little more subtle about them.

Case in point:



Your parse of "Xynode Easy Sorc" doesn't have UI on the buff list. So, either you let it fall off because of poor rotation management, or you deliberately never enabled the buff.

T3hasiangod wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

T3hasiangod wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

T3hasiangod wrote: »

keto3000 wrote: »

I respect all the posters on this thread, however, it would be helpful if those of you who question the effective performance of this particular build and its comparison to other "meta" builds post some bona fide parses showing Combat Metrics.

I'm not good at doing parses, but I know many here are highly competent and post parses regularly many builds.

That would be more germaine to this discussion, imo. Thank you for consideration.

There were parses done back when Elsweyr was first released.

Might want to check Xy's parses. He actually understands how to run the build, and isn't letting UI drop off to "prove" a point. This is, at least, the third time you've presented a parse of one of Xy's builds that clearly didn't follow the build's mechanics so you could say, "see, it's garbage."

T3hasiangod wrote: »

Xynode's Easy Sorc (directly pulled rotation, gear, and CP from his website)

But ok, I guess you think that a build literally called "Easy Sorc" is sooooooo difficult for an end-game player to do correctly. Ironic that you're making that claim no?

I already have a litany of videos scheduled to make to clear up common misconceptions on end-game PvE in ESO though, so what's one more on top of that?

I mean, there's always the possibility of honest testing. I realize you've got an agenda, but if you're going to fudge things, you want to be a little more subtle about them.

Case in point:



Your parse of "Xynode Easy Sorc" doesn't have UI on the buff list. So, either you let it fall off because of poor rotation management, or you deliberately never enabled the buff.

starkerealm wrote: »

Your parse of "Xynode Easy Sorc" doesn't have UI on the buff list. So, either you let it fall off because of poor rotation management, or you deliberately never enabled the buff.

Don't you read what he wrote about the parse and even quoted for you again? Kinda says something. Also, wouldn't Minor Vulnerability be on the De(Buffs) Out list, not De(Buffs) in? I might be wrong there, but I don't claim to be a top expert in those things .

Ah, I confuse UI and IA all the time, sorry for that.

T3hasiangod wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

T3hasiangod wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

T3hasiangod wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

T3hasiangod wrote: »

keto3000 wrote: »

I respect all the posters on this thread, however, it would be helpful if those of you who question the effective performance of this particular build and its comparison to other "meta" builds post some bona fide parses showing Combat Metrics.

I'm not good at doing parses, but I know many here are highly competent and post parses regularly many builds.

That would be more germaine to this discussion, imo. Thank you for consideration.

There were parses done back when Elsweyr was first released.

Might want to check Xy's parses. He actually understands how to run the build, and isn't letting UI drop off to "prove" a point. This is, at least, the third time you've presented a parse of one of Xy's builds that clearly didn't follow the build's mechanics so you could say, "see, it's garbage."

T3hasiangod wrote: »

Xynode's Easy Sorc (directly pulled rotation, gear, and CP from his website)

But ok, I guess you think that a build literally called "Easy Sorc" is sooooooo difficult for an end-game player to do correctly. Ironic that you're making that claim no?

I already have a litany of videos scheduled to make to clear up common misconceptions on end-game PvE in ESO though, so what's one more on top of that?

I mean, there's always the possibility of honest testing. I realize you've got an agenda, but if you're going to fudge things, you want to be a little more subtle about them.

Case in point:



Your parse of "Xynode Easy Sorc" doesn't have UI on the buff list. So, either you let it fall off because of poor rotation management, or you deliberately never enabled the buff.

The facepalm is because you fail to realize that there are other buffs that are not seen in the Combat Metrics report since it's a limited window.

In case that wasn't clear.

vesselwiththepestle wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

That you don't see it says that either the buff was ignored, or it was allowed to drop off.

That is not true. The buff can still have 100% uptime even if we don't see it.

That's normally correct, but in this case, unless the buff was allowed to drop off, it should have made the screen.

EDIT: In fact, if you screw up the rotation and drop it, it will be forced off the screen.

T3hasiangod wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

vesselwiththepestle wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

That you don't see it says that either the buff was ignored, or it was allowed to drop off.

That is not true. The buff can still have 100% uptime even if we don't see it.

That's normally correct, but in this case, unless the buff was allowed to drop off, it should have made the screen.

EDIT: In fact, if you screw up the rotation and drop it, it will be forced off the screen.

This is blatantly false.

The trial dummy provides the following buffs:

• Worm's Raiment
• Major Force
• Minor Prophecy
• Minor Savagery
• Hircine's Favor
• Minor Toughness
• Aggressive Warhorn
• Minor Sorcery
• Minor Brutality
• Minor Berserk
• Major Courage

The following buffs are always active:

• Mundus Stone
• Food Buff
• Minor Slayer
• Major Prophecy
• Major Sorcery
• Major Intellect

This is a total of 17 buffs. Combat Metric's buff window will show a maximum of 13 to 15 buffs before needing to scroll. Therefore, it is entirely possible for buffs that are up for 100 percent of the time to not be displayed when you are at the top of the list, especially if you have other buffs favorited like I do.

And, what is the priority for how those buffs are displayed?

T3hasiangod wrote: »

It is randomly assorted among buffs that have equal uptimes. On one parse, you may see Minor Slayer above the Shadow Mundus, but on the next parse, the Shadow Mundus is above Minor Slayer.

Except it's not completely random. You can even see that in the example you gave, and in the combat metrics you posted. See if you can work it out.

It’s great to see Xynode doing so well. I like it when streamers/content creators do well. There is no need to be jealous.

vesselwiththepestle wrote: »

So when you are insinuating either dishonesty or incompetence you should provide a better argument.

No, this is his thing to work through.

He is "testing" someone else's build, and returning numbers that are well below that build's ceiling on an Iron Attro. Also, the heavy attacks are not hitting nearly as hard as they should for that build. Something is not right here.

This is also not the first time he's put his thumb on the scale when testing Xynode's work. Again, the infamous Alkosh as a DPS set "test" comes to mind. So, in that case, it's worth understanding that, in addition to the resist debuff that made Woeler slap Alkosh on the tank, there's also a significant DoT on the set. (This works out to be slightly under 20k, depending on CP and gear quality. Base gold 160 is about 12k over 10 seconds.) That DoT is applied when you trigger a synergy, but, very importantly, there is no cooldown, and the DoT is self-stacking. (That, self stacking thing is very important. This isn't just 1200-1800/1900 DPS from the set, you get that for each synergy you hoover up, and you can grab a lot in a hectic fight. Especially now that stuff like Orbs is non-competitive.)

So, Teh "tested" it by using the trial dummy, which provides you with shards, but no other synergies. Which means you have a set that can, potentially (and, yes, I do mean in a live situation here, not just, "on paper"), deal a lot of damage (even if it doesn't crit), but you can't see that on a trial dummy because you need to proc it off of synergies, and there's only two synergies in the game that can be taken by the player generating them. (This creates a theoretically ceiling of around 6k DPS from the set, though in a practical sense, you're talking more like 4k, because one of those sources is a set that won't be doing your DPS any favors.)

EDIT: In a live situation, if you can hoover up three or four synergies in ten seconds, that could easily be 6-8k damage per second from a set, on top of the resists debuffs, if you're not already getting those from the tank. It's a medium armor set, it's not "supposed to be" used for tanking.

Hell, in this thread, he's argued that the bonus damage from UI cannot crit, which is flatly untrue because it's not proc set damage, it's a buff that applies to the light and heavy attacks, which can still crit, modifying said bonus.

So, he has a history of being economical with the truth when he decides he's going to go after Xynode.

The combat metrics buff configuration is, basically trivial right now, it's a sideshow that doesn't matter, because looking at the numbers provided, I can already say, "something is not right here."

I did a test parse on this build exactly as on Xynode's website. Tbh I'm a scrub DPS and got 62k on the trial dummy. I tried Necropotence/Sorrow next and added barbed trap and got the same. That doesn't mean they perform the same, just that's what I got. So in my opinion, it seems less work to farm for the overland sets.

bongtokin420insd16 wrote: »

@xynode I have a question. I have all the the pieces for this build except the VMA staff. I have the fire just not the lightning. Do you think it would be better to:

A, grind VMA for the lightning using the fire in this build instead until i get it.
B, use the beginner build to grind with it.
C, use the one bar sorc build thats now slightly degraded to grind it like i used to?

I'm just curious your opinion (Or anyone else) about the efficiency in VMA with the fire.

Xy points out in the video that IF you have off-balance taken care of from other sources you can use the flame staff back bar, which will make your AOE damage drop but will boost your ST damage.

Honestly, though, while I was farming the vMA shocks stick, I just used a Willpower staff back bar, infused. That’s also something he mentions in the vid, BTW.

Also, the “older” setup of Netch and Spider Cultist is still wickedly good, FWIW.

mikemacon wrote: »

If that works for you, awesome. Do that!

What you’ll lose, though, is the additive bonuses to LAs and HAs that UI + IA give, which are a huge part of the build.

That said, as Xy points out, nothing will “break” the game if you try something else. Go for it!

I meant by my post I got the same DPS with either combo. One has higher LA/HA damage, the other higher crit. My only conclusion is that it was easier to get the higher crit gear sets than farming dungeons for UI.

EDIT: I should clarify, I used identical rotations from the source build, just added barbed trap on the crit sets.