ZOS - Make it so you can't message the other faction while in Cyrodiil. (Mini Rant Included).

Seri · March 2015

Roechacca wrote: »

I agree 100% with cross faction chat . Sometimes I just wanna say hello before I die !

You have time to do that? I'm usually on the ground before I can get out "/w".

+1 to keeping cross-faction tells though. Made a few friends that way

Poxheart · March 2015

I take screen snips of all the rage tells I get. The game wouldn't be as fun with no cross faction tells. The only thing I'd suggest is that you shouldn't be able to send tells to somebody you have on your ignore list. Arynne Stormborn and I used to send tells back & forth but the other day he sent me tells to which I couldn't reply; was kinda bummed by that.

Winnamine · March 2015

Sky Chancellor wrote: »

Roechacca wrote: »

Angavar wrote: »

Disagree.

I, and many others, enjoy the cross faction chat without using it to trash talk or whinge to the enemy. Its awesome to be able to whisper an enemy player after a particularly good fight and show respect, or discuss builds and counters. It helps you learn and grow in skill.

Having said that, there will always be sore losers, and that is why we have an ignore function.

In fact, this function sets ESO PvP apart from every other mmo, where the enemy is just another faceless player.

If it was a toggle ability would it still bother You ?

If I could just toggle personal messages off, that would be a good thing. Is there a way to turn personal messages off? I didn't really think about this, sometimes MMO's have that option.

You can set yourself offline, which makes it so that no one can pm you, but there is no way to fix it so that only people you wish to speak with can pm you.

On another note, being able to talk to members of the other factions keeps the game far more interesting for many pvpers.
I've made some good friends on EP and DC, and the impromptu alliances that pop up between opposing factions add dimension and interest to what could otherwise become very stale, rote pvp.

As for your experience with getting ganked by DC players after being told not to attack them, well yes, that happens. We can form a temporary truce with specific players or guilds on other factions, and those players can spread the word among their faction, but in the end, there will always be players who either did not get the message, or chose to ignore the truce. On both sides. Obviously if a DC player attacks you in this situation, you can assume that he isn't honoring the agreement, and defend yourself/kill him.

Sky Chancellor · March 2015

Winnamine wrote: »

Sky Chancellor wrote: »

Roechacca wrote: »

Angavar wrote: »

Disagree.

I, and many others, enjoy the cross faction chat without using it to trash talk or whinge to the enemy. Its awesome to be able to whisper an enemy player after a particularly good fight and show respect, or discuss builds and counters. It helps you learn and grow in skill.

Having said that, there will always be sore losers, and that is why we have an ignore function.

In fact, this function sets ESO PvP apart from every other mmo, where the enemy is just another faceless player.

If it was a toggle ability would it still bother You ?

If I could just toggle personal messages off, that would be a good thing. Is there a way to turn personal messages off? I didn't really think about this, sometimes MMO's have that option.

You can set yourself offline, which makes it so that no one can pm you, but there is no way to fix it so that only people you wish to speak with can pm you.

On another note, being able to talk to members of the other factions keeps the game far more interesting for many pvpers.
I've made some good friends on EP and DC, and the impromptu alliances that pop up between opposing factions add dimension and interest to what could otherwise become very stale, rote pvp.

As for your experience with getting ganked by DC players after being told not to attack them, well yes, that happens. We can form a temporary truce with specific players or guilds on other factions, and those players can spread the word among their faction, but in the end, there will always be players who either did not get the message, or chose to ignore the truce. On both sides. Obviously if a DC player attacks you in this situation, you can assume that he isn't honoring the agreement, and defend yourself/kill him.

I see why some people may see this as interesting. As DAOC player (previously), things like this sort of happened. Not to the extent they do in this game however. When someone attacks and its multiple people, obviously too late. I also see a lot of blues and yellows hang out, but I don't attack the blues (being a yellow) and assume they are friends. Not a fan of that type of game play. I understand how people can find it to be interesting/fun. I just don't find it to be fun.

I am not on here on here to thrash the game though. I love ESO, and me and my wife have been sub'ed since the beginning. But, I am looking forward to Camelot Unchained. I am in favor of no communication between alliances, more diversity and realm pride, and no cross-faction players allowed on the same account (will be what Camelot is). Again, not thrashing this game. I am playing this game with my wife and enjoying it. I've got my money's worth. In particular I love the graphics in this game (style and everything).

I guess, I was hoping for a little bit of a different experience in PvP with this game.

bloodenragedb14_ESO · March 2015

i agree with the cross faction chat, if you can get the other underdog to agree to a temp truce to destroy the faction that is dominating, all the power to ya

Tripwyr · March 2015

I have very close friends I would have never met were it not for cross-faction whispers. These are vital in an otherwise dead/dying PvP community, in a dead/dying game.

KBKB · March 2015

Tripwyr wrote: »

I have very close friends I would have never met were it not for cross-faction whispers. These are vital in an otherwise dead/dying PvP community, in a dead/dying game.

Bolded for truth.

Sky Chancellor · March 2015

KBKB wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

I have very close friends I would have never met were it not for cross-faction whispers. These are vital in an otherwise dead/dying PvP community, in a dead/dying game.

Bolded for truth.

Unfortunately true, even though the game is still a new MMO considering that they can easily be decade long (or longer) journey's (my choice of words there). The CP is what will kill the game ultimately from my perspective (as I've voiced over and over again on the forums, I am sure people got sick of hearing it).

KBKB · March 2015

Sky Chancellor wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

I have very close friends I would have never met were it not for cross-faction whispers. These are vital in an otherwise dead/dying PvP community, in a dead/dying game.

Bolded for truth.

Unfortunately true, even though the game is still a new MMO considering that they can easily be decade long (or longer) journey's (my choice of words there). The CP is what will kill the game ultimately from my perspective (as I've voiced over and over again on the forums, I am sure people got sick of hearing it).

Disagree, 1.3.X patches killed the game. Lighting patch made it so you could only play pvp @ 3 FPS for 2 weeks we didnt get free time or any sort of apology then the anti bot patch further reduced quality of the game introducing more; lag, crashes, server desyncs and unhappy customers.

These two things coupled with the fact every 2nd or 3rd patch we get a memory leak, performance notably goes backwards and each patch introduces a series of new and annoying bugs that make the game either unplayable for some or just really annoying starts to wear very thin after a while.

The lack of acknowledgement and support from ZOS is not helping either we are still yet to get a "we aware PvP is very laggy right now" sicne 1.6 dropped. Maybe we were all spoiled by how Blizzard was a perfectionist company (the thought of them releasing a patch with 1/10th of the bugs ZOS does is unbelievable)

Unfortunately the rot has set in Unlimited is 5 days away and performance is close to rivaling 1.3 days I expect a large surge of players several server roll backs and then tumbleweed.

Sky Chancellor · March 2015

KBKB wrote: »

Sky Chancellor wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

I have very close friends I would have never met were it not for cross-faction whispers. These are vital in an otherwise dead/dying PvP community, in a dead/dying game.

Bolded for truth.

Unfortunately true, even though the game is still a new MMO considering that they can easily be decade long (or longer) journey's (my choice of words there). The CP is what will kill the game ultimately from my perspective (as I've voiced over and over again on the forums, I am sure people got sick of hearing it).

Disagree, 1.3.X patches killed the game. Lighting patch made it so you could only play pvp @ 3 FPS for 2 weeks we didnt get free time or any sort of apology then the anti bot patch further reduced quality of the game introducing more; lag, crashes, server desyncs and unhappy customers.

These two things coupled with the fact every 2nd or 3rd patch we get a memory leak, performance notably goes backwards and each patch introduces a series of new and annoying bugs that make the game either unplayable for some or just really annoying starts to wear very thin after a while.

The lack of acknowledgement and support from ZOS is not helping either we are still yet to get a "we aware PvP is very laggy right now" sicne 1.6 dropped. Maybe we were all spoiled by how Blizzard was a perfectionist company (the thought of them releasing a patch with 1/10th of the bugs ZOS does is unbelievable)

Unfortunately the rot has set in Unlimited is 5 days away and performance is close to rivaling 1.3 days I expect a large surge of players several server roll backs and then tumbleweed.

I played beta WOW, was one of the first hunters to reach max level when the game was released. When the game was first released it was unplayable, beta was horrible as well. The launch for WOW was FAR FAR worse than ESO was (not even close). I don't share your respect for Blizzard as a company as you do. I have also seen them screw their customers royally bad - disgusting (many times over). But, I do agree with the fact that ESO has had HORRIBLE communication with their customers. It's as almost as if they don't care. I don't know how to describe ZOS right now, other than they have sucked bad (and the lag in Cyrodiil, nirn glitch right now, are the some of the obvious things to point at).

KBKB · March 2015

Sky Chancellor wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Sky Chancellor wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

I have very close friends I would have never met were it not for cross-faction whispers. These are vital in an otherwise dead/dying PvP community, in a dead/dying game.

Bolded for truth.

Unfortunately true, even though the game is still a new MMO considering that they can easily be decade long (or longer) journey's (my choice of words there). The CP is what will kill the game ultimately from my perspective (as I've voiced over and over again on the forums, I am sure people got sick of hearing it).

Disagree, 1.3.X patches killed the game. Lighting patch made it so you could only play pvp @ 3 FPS for 2 weeks we didnt get free time or any sort of apology then the anti bot patch further reduced quality of the game introducing more; lag, crashes, server desyncs and unhappy customers.

These two things coupled with the fact every 2nd or 3rd patch we get a memory leak, performance notably goes backwards and each patch introduces a series of new and annoying bugs that make the game either unplayable for some or just really annoying starts to wear very thin after a while.

The lack of acknowledgement and support from ZOS is not helping either we are still yet to get a "we aware PvP is very laggy right now" sicne 1.6 dropped. Maybe we were all spoiled by how Blizzard was a perfectionist company (the thought of them releasing a patch with 1/10th of the bugs ZOS does is unbelievable)

Unfortunately the rot has set in Unlimited is 5 days away and performance is close to rivaling 1.3 days I expect a large surge of players several server roll backs and then tumbleweed.

I played beta WOW, was one of the first hunters to reach max level when the game was released. When the game was first released it was unplayable, beta was horrible as well. The launch for WOW was FAR FAR worse than ESO was (not even close). I don't share your respect for Blizzard as a company as you do. I have also seen them screw their customers royally bad - disgusting (many times over). But, I do agree with the fact that ESO has had HORRIBLE communication with their customers. It's as almost as if they don't care. I don't know how to describe ZOS right now, other than they have sucked bad (and the lag in Cyrodiil, nirn glitch right now, are the some of the obvious things to point at).

You can excuse Beta's for being buggy that's what they are there for =P I don't recall the wow launch being that bad at all? first week or so was a little rocky but compare it to 12 months of ESO where you could arguably say 9 months of it has been bad. Burning crusade launch was also a little buggy but they had that sorted within days of the release. not to mention how well their other xpacs (Haven't played Warlords) all went when they were made live.

Have to remember this was almost 10 years ago you would say ZOS had a raw advantage over Blizzard coming well after them also with how technology has advanced. Yes I have seen blizzard screw their players over before and getting free time off them was like finding hen's teeth, but we have only had 3 days free time from ZOS due to their launch being so horrible about the last time they admitted fault.

Let me remind you of some ZOS zingers
- 12 gig incremental patch to fix 3 sound errors
- The time they patched, servers were down for 5 hours we all downloaded the patch, notes were released and nothing bar the version number of the game changed.
- 201(I think?) error required you to wait for server restart before you could log on again.

to name but a few

Could not see Blizzard doing any of this.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · March 2015

I hope they never stop us being able to communicate. I take pride in the fact that i've angered someone in combat so much that they whisper me saying they will get their 5 guilds to report me and ZOS will have 1768 reports against me etc.

Also most of the people you fight on a regular basis become friends not being able to whisper them would take away some of the fun from the game.

basically if you don't like it use ignore imo.

Islyn · March 2015

I want to know HOW to do x faction tells - mine seem to not send

KBKB · March 2015

Islyn wrote: »

I want to know HOW to do x faction tells - mine seem to not send

@Islyn to do a X faction tell

/whisper Islyn, Harro

need to add a , (comma) after you type the name.

Islyn · March 2015

Oh tyty!

Sphinx2318 · March 2015

some of my best friends in this game are in other factions. NO!

Kuro1n · March 2015

Seriously? I would just quit the game if this was implemented. I want to be able to talk to people. To me the faction system itself is already a huge limitation.

cozmon3c_ESO · March 2015

i really enjoy the conversations i have with enemy factions, and they range into many different categories.

mainly i will receive the whispers, i dont really whisper people that often unless it was a kick ass close fight.

of course there are D-bags out there but i just take it that i kicked your ass so hard that you had to cry to me about it lol.

i also give out advice all the time, it doesn't matter the faction. i like to think of it as keeping pvp going in the game, if someone is struggling ill see if i can help them out.

i also get many comments about how awesome my videos are when i run by people, makes me feel like the time input to making them was worth it.

Sky Chancellor · March 2015

KBKB wrote: »

Sky Chancellor wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Sky Chancellor wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

I have very close friends I would have never met were it not for cross-faction whispers. These are vital in an otherwise dead/dying PvP community, in a dead/dying game.

Bolded for truth.

Unfortunately true, even though the game is still a new MMO considering that they can easily be decade long (or longer) journey's (my choice of words there). The CP is what will kill the game ultimately from my perspective (as I've voiced over and over again on the forums, I am sure people got sick of hearing it).

Disagree, 1.3.X patches killed the game. Lighting patch made it so you could only play pvp @ 3 FPS for 2 weeks we didnt get free time or any sort of apology then the anti bot patch further reduced quality of the game introducing more; lag, crashes, server desyncs and unhappy customers.

These two things coupled with the fact every 2nd or 3rd patch we get a memory leak, performance notably goes backwards and each patch introduces a series of new and annoying bugs that make the game either unplayable for some or just really annoying starts to wear very thin after a while.

The lack of acknowledgement and support from ZOS is not helping either we are still yet to get a "we aware PvP is very laggy right now" sicne 1.6 dropped. Maybe we were all spoiled by how Blizzard was a perfectionist company (the thought of them releasing a patch with 1/10th of the bugs ZOS does is unbelievable)

Unfortunately the rot has set in Unlimited is 5 days away and performance is close to rivaling 1.3 days I expect a large surge of players several server roll backs and then tumbleweed.

I played beta WOW, was one of the first hunters to reach max level when the game was released. When the game was first released it was unplayable, beta was horrible as well. The launch for WOW was FAR FAR worse than ESO was (not even close). I don't share your respect for Blizzard as a company as you do. I have also seen them screw their customers royally bad - disgusting (many times over). But, I do agree with the fact that ESO has had HORRIBLE communication with their customers. It's as almost as if they don't care. I don't know how to describe ZOS right now, other than they have sucked bad (and the lag in Cyrodiil, nirn glitch right now, are the some of the obvious things to point at).

You can excuse Beta's for being buggy that's what they are there for =P I don't recall the wow launch being that bad at all? first week or so was a little rocky but compare it to 12 months of ESO where you could arguably say 9 months of it has been bad. Burning crusade launch was also a little buggy but they had that sorted within days of the release. not to mention how well their other xpacs (Haven't played Warlords) all went when they were made live.

Have to remember this was almost 10 years ago you would say ZOS had a raw advantage over Blizzard coming well after them also with how technology has advanced. Yes I have seen blizzard screw their players over before and getting free time off them was like finding hen's teeth, but we have only had 3 days free time from ZOS due to their launch being so horrible about the last time they admitted fault.

Let me remind you of some ZOS zingers
- 12 gig incremental patch to fix 3 sound errors
- The time they patched, servers were down for 5 hours we all downloaded the patch, notes were released and nothing bar the version number of the game changed.
- 201(I think?) error required you to wait for server restart before you could log on again.

to name but a few

Could not see Blizzard doing any of this.

I am not going to defend ZOS. I am surprised when I see people on here defend them. Yes, Blizzard knows how to do things overall better, that's why they have an MMO which generates the income it does.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · March 2015

(and also ruin the immersion of the experience).

You used a PvE word. Get that guar dung out of here. Imerzunz boo!!!!!

Astien · March 2015

Who wouldn't want messages like this? lol Clearly when they get this mad you're doing your job.

Frawr · March 2015

Disagree

I like messaging enemies on occasion after a nice fight and talking a bit. There are many awesome people on all sides when you actually talk to them.

Don't give us a button to auto ignore all. It's too easy to make the game less engaging.

Turelus · March 2015

If they stop chatting in game via whispers, we can use guilds.
If they stop chatting in game via guilds, we can use TeamSpeak/Skype/WhatsApp etc.

There is nothing wrong with cross faction chatting, if someone is flaming/smacking you then you just block them, if they broke EULA while doing it you also report them.
Otherwise I feel the chats only add more to the game, we can make a temporary alliance beneficial to two factions at that time, we can thank someone for a long and interesting duel, arrange a fight when nothing interesting is happening etc.

It adds to social interaction and enjoyment for many and the negatives are far fewer or would still happen without the in game chat options.

olsborg · March 2015

I personally like to chat with enemies, its great way to organise a duel or two or just say "gg" etc. What you can do tho, on your own part, is just put all the whispers into their own chat tab, then atleast you wouldnt see them in your regular zone/guild/group chat. Altho you wouldnt see samefaction whispers there either. But..there it is.

pppontus · March 2015

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

I hope they never stop us being able to communicate. I take pride in the fact that i've angered someone in combat so much that they whisper me saying they will get their 5 guilds to report me and ZOS will have 1768 reports against me etc.

Also most of the people you fight on a regular basis become friends not being able to whisper them would take away some of the fun from the game.

basically if you don't like it use ignore imo.

Where does one sign up for reading these reports?!

Would be too funny.

"X is cheating clearly!! I DIED!! you see!? I even used the mist form perma damage reduction exploit and he still KILLED ME!!"

At least that's how I imagine these reports look.

kevlarto_ESO · March 2015

Cross faction chat was bad in SWG when all you get was hate tells, cross faction chat in ESO is bad when all you get is hate tells, never should have had cross faction chat and travel to friends in pvp should also not be a feature..

ZOS_BrianWheeler · March 2015

Cross Alliance communication was disabled at one time, however the guild and account based friend communication systems get around this restriction much like the "jump to group leader" tech where the direction of favoring communication and playing with friends was a higher social priority, thus the blocking of communication between alliances was lifted. It has been brought up to block alliance communication within Cyrodiil and out of Cyrodiil, but there is no ETA on when/if this would happen.

KBKB · March 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Cross Alliance communication was disabled at one time, however the guild and account based friend communication systems get around this restriction much like the "jump to group leader" tech where the direction of favoring communication and playing with friends was a higher social priority, thus the blocking of communication between alliances was lifted. It has been brought up to block alliance communication within Cyrodiil and out of Cyrodiil, but there is no ETA on when this would happen.

Please don't ;(

Pancake-Tragedy · March 2015

I like being able to talk to members of the other faction in Cyrodiil.

The friendly trash talk and nerd rage after a 30 second teabag keeps me playing this game.

Attorneyatlawl · March 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Cross Alliance communication was disabled at one time, however the guild and account based friend communication systems get around this restriction much like the "jump to group leader" tech where the direction of favoring communication and playing with friends was a higher social priority, thus the blocking of communication between alliances was lifted. It has been brought up to block alliance communication within Cyrodiil and out of Cyrodiil, but there is no ETA on when this would happen.

On one level, I'd love to see players within Cyrodiil being blocked from communication with other people from enemy factions (regardless of their location). However, and this could just be how you worded it, while on a personal level I'd be happy to see it blocked period, I don't think doing so when both players aren't inside Cyro would go over well with a large segment of the playerbase unfortunately. And there are good things about being able to talk cross-faction with skilled enemies, too, such as @Roechacca describes:

Sky Chancellor wrote: »

Roechacca wrote: »

Angavar wrote: »

Disagree.

I, and many others, enjoy the cross faction chat without using it to trash talk or whinge to the enemy. Its awesome to be able to whisper an enemy player after a particularly good fight and show respect, or discuss builds and counters. It helps you learn and grow in skill.

Having said that, there will always be sore losers, and that is why we have an ignore function.

In fact, this function sets ESO PvP apart from every other mmo, where the enemy is just another faceless player.

If it was a toggle ability would it still bother You ?

If I could just toggle personal messages off, that would be a good thing. Is there a way to turn personal messages off? I didn't really think about this, sometimes MMO's have that option.

I have had the same experience with saying even something as simple as "good fight!" to someone I just died to or beat. Sometimes it's just a nice gesture which is great. Sometimes we chat a little and both get something to learn out of it. So while on the pure "RED IS DEAD!!!! WE ARE AT WAR!!!!" front which I very much do subscribe to on an overall basis, it does have tangible benefits to be able to chat across faction lines, so on another level I'd hate to see the communication blocked once more.

P.S. Sky Chancellor, go into your chat filters by clicking the cogwheel at the top right of your chat box, and uncheck "Sends". You will no longer see whispers in that chat tab until it is re-enabled.