What is considered good dps now?

Gulnagel

Hi, I returned after a little break an noticed by dps had droped under 30k from 45-50k on my magsorc.

So I've spent hours trying different skills, CP, rotations and I'm finally back at 43-45k self buffed on a 3 mil dummy, no cheese sets, just eledrain.
Now my rotation is actually easier than before so that's a big +. But I'm not sure what's required now days for difficult content with all the new DLCs and I'm forced to use a pet, really don't like it but that's how it is now.

Vildebill

I think most people agree that 30k is enough to complete all content in the game if you follow mechanics.

And by that, I don't mean hard, time related achievements like godslayer or tick-tock tormentor.

Asardes

If you can pull 35K+ in real fights with lots of mechanics and movement you're good. Dummy parses are not that relevant, since you're not doing any mechanics, you're getting unrealistic up times on certain buffs and orbs on cooldown (21M), you don't have to change targets and hence you can cheese it with Spell Strategist, Siroria, Relequen etc. I mean the dummy can help you put your rotation together and learn it, but that's about it. I've seen people that did 80K+ on the 21M dummy die like flies even in older DLC dungeons because they didn't bother following the mechanics and had slow reflexes.

kaisernick

Asardes wrote: »

If you can pull 35K+ in real fights with lots of mechanics and movement you're good. Dummy parses are not that relevant, since you're not doing any mechanics, you're getting unrealistic up times on certain buffs and orbs on cooldown (21M), you don't have to change targets and hence you can cheese it with Spell Strategist, Siroria, Relequen etc. I mean the dummy can help you put your rotation together and learn it, but that's about it. I've seen people that did 80K+ on the 21M dummy die like flies even in older DLC dungeons because they didn't bother following the mechanics and had slow reflexes.

I agree plus all the party buffs from group content can really up your dps, on dummys my scorc does about 21k but in groups it can go as high as 30+

Saelent

100k with 0 help and the target dummy has to be a critter.

>.>
20-30k I think is the reasonable number.

Ysbriel

30k is the sweet spot

srfrogg23

The good dps are the ones who don't stand in stupid, do mechanics, rez downed players, and don't get 1-shotted because they only have 17k health while buffed.

Dead dps does zero dps.

*This message was sponsored by your healers and tanks*

Asardes

17-18K HP is pretty much enough for any content. Ebon adds ~1.2-1.3K on top of that (with CP, undaunted mettle and other multipliers) so you end up with 18.5-20K HP in a group; more if you also get minor toughness from a Warden Tank or Healer. People who only have 13-14K HP because they are using parse food are a problem though, especially if they don't know the mechanics and they're low CP (less mitigation from the red ones). In any case most damage in dungeons and trials is either cumulative DoTs that result from messing up the mechanics (not purging, stacking for heals/debuffs, blocking, roll dodging etc.), that would even kill someone with 22K+ HP, but 1-2s later, or true one-shots, that do 100K+ unmitigated damage, and that could even kill the tank if he failed to buff up and block; some even the tank has to roll dodge or magma shell to survive. I've seen plenty of DDs who have a death wish and stack on the tank, especially on bosses who have cleave damage.

Aznarb

Vildebill wrote: »

I think most people agree that 30k is enough to complete all content in the game if you follow mechanics.

And by that, I don't mean hard, time related achievements like godslayer or tick-tock tormentor.

More like 35k but y It's around this.

Mancombe_Nosehair

That rules out me and my mighty 12k dps against a combat dummy then...

Lucky I tank;)

Asardes

luton0watford4 wrote: »

That rules out me and my mighty 12k dps against a combat dummy then...

Lucky I tank;)

You must be a very strong tank though, mine does 5-6K at most

5cript

I have 37k on a (non trial) dummy and 44k (single target) in a real dungeon, if mechanics dont make it impossible (like a boss that is untargetable for a while). I dont run trials.
For me the trick was to have high sustain. Running out of resources is the biggest dps loss I had and realizing that fixed it.

EDIT: This is also just true for my main, which I put the most work and training into, I only get to 30k best on other chars.

TheGreatBlackBear

45k mag 50k stam on the three mil. 75k mag and 80k stam on the trial dummy. Those aren't crazy expectations imo

Kalante

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

45k mag 50k stam on the three mil. 75k mag and 80k stam on the trial dummy. Those aren't crazy expectations imo

but my stam nb cant hit 80k much less 90k dps without lokkestiiz even thought it's the single target class. Out of all the classes with AOE the stam nb hits the lowest and has no AOE. How does that make sense that the AOE classes hit harder than the single target class? A stam sorc with a 2h has better dps and that's with a lokkestiiz 2h too lul. In other words get lokkestiiz or [snip] because no top trials guild wants a stam guy hitting below 80k.

Also build <diversity>??? whats that. Just pay zos 40 dollars and get lokkestiiz.

[Edit for minor profanity]

DaNnYtHePcFrEaK

Gulnagel wrote: »

Hi, I returned after a little break an noticed by dps had droped under 30k from 45-50k on my magsorc.

So I've spent hours trying different skills, CP, rotations and I'm finally back at 43-45k self buffed on a 3 mil dummy, no cheese sets, just eledrain.
Now my rotation is actually easier than before so that's a big +. But I'm not sure what's required now days for difficult content with all the new DLCs and I'm forced to use a pet, really don't like it but that's how it is now.

Cheese sets? Theres only vAS and vCR where siroria can't be used optimally... I've seen people with over 80k dps on vSS in siroria.... so siroria isnt a cheese set it's a situational set

karekiz

DaNnYtHePcFrEaK wrote: »

Cheese sets? Theres only vAS and vCR where siroria can't be used optimally... I've seen people with over 80k dps on vSS in siroria.... so siroria isnt a cheese set it's a situational set

This is true.

If your standing still and DPSing a boss who stands still there isn't much reason not to use it.

DaNnYtHePcFrEaK

Kalante wrote: »

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

45k mag 50k stam on the three mil. 75k mag and 80k stam on the trial dummy. Those aren't crazy expectations imo

but my stam nb cant hit 80k much less 90k dps without lokkestiiz even thought it's the single target class. Out of all the classes with AOE the stam nb hits the lowest and has no AOE. How does that make sense that the AOE classes hit harder than the single target class? A stam sorc with a 2h has better dps and that's with a lokkestiiz 2h too lul. In other words get lokkestiiz or gtfo because no top trials guild wants a stam guy hitting below 80k.

Also build <diversity>??? whats that. Just pay zos 40 dollars and get lokkestiiz.

I hit 84k without lokk though.... on stam necro

morrowjen

As a stamcro, switching from DW to 2h did far more for me than getting lokke. I didn't even have the 2h skill line leveled and saw an instant boost.

El_Borracho

morrowjen wrote: »

As a stamcro, switching from DW to 2h did far more for me than getting lokke. I didn't even have the 2h skill line leveled and saw an instant boost.

Interesting. What sets do you run? I currently run a DW stamcro with Relequen and Leviathan (AY seems to work better on my stamblade). Works pretty well

morrowjen

El_Borracho wrote: »

morrowjen wrote: »

As a stamcro, switching from DW to 2h did far more for me than getting lokke. I didn't even have the 2h skill line leveled and saw an instant boost.

Interesting. What sets do you run? I currently run a DW stamcro with Relequen and Leviathan (AY seems to work better on my stamblade). Works pretty well

Rele (non-perf) and Lokke (non-perf). I have both DW and 2h lokke weapons + jewelry. DW was an axe and dagger whereas 2h I use a greatsword. I haven't tried leviathan yet but I'm collecting it. I've heard really good things about it. I like DW better in terms of just playing but for me 2h just hits harder.

validifyedneb18_ESO

35k is "ok", 40k is "better", 45k "good", anything above is a bonus. Solo ofc, in groups it will go up a lot.

El_Borracho

morrowjen wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

morrowjen wrote: »

As a stamcro, switching from DW to 2h did far more for me than getting lokke. I didn't even have the 2h skill line leveled and saw an instant boost.

Interesting. What sets do you run? I currently run a DW stamcro with Relequen and Leviathan (AY seems to work better on my stamblade). Works pretty well

Rele (non-perf) and Lokke (non-perf). I have both DW and 2h lokke weapons + jewelry. DW was an axe and dagger whereas 2h I use a greatsword. I haven't tried leviathan yet but I'm collecting it. I've heard really good things about it. I like DW better in terms of just playing but for me 2h just hits harder.

Hmm. Have to give it a shot. Thanks

I like Leviathan on my necro. Its basically AY-lite. In my experience, AY works better on my stamblade as there are more melee attacks to stack in that rotation than there are in the necro rotation. I haven't been running the necro as long, so its still a work in progress.

I prefer DW as well. Haven't run a 2H in PVE since the days of the heavy attack builds

morrowjen

El_Borracho wrote: »

morrowjen wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

morrowjen wrote: »

As a stamcro, switching from DW to 2h did far more for me than getting lokke. I didn't even have the 2h skill line leveled and saw an instant boost.

Interesting. What sets do you run? I currently run a DW stamcro with Relequen and Leviathan (AY seems to work better on my stamblade). Works pretty well

Rele (non-perf) and Lokke (non-perf). I have both DW and 2h lokke weapons + jewelry. DW was an axe and dagger whereas 2h I use a greatsword. I haven't tried leviathan yet but I'm collecting it. I've heard really good things about it. I like DW better in terms of just playing but for me 2h just hits harder.

Hmm. Have to give it a shot. Thanks

I like Leviathan on my necro. Its basically AY-lite. In my experience, AY works better on my stamblade as there are more melee attacks to stack in that rotation than there are in the necro rotation. I haven't been running the necro as long, so its still a work in progress.

I prefer DW as well. Haven't run a 2H in PVE since the days of the heavy attack builds

No problem and I hope it works for you. Everyone plays a little bit different but I always enjoy trying out new styles to see how they work (or not) for me. Sometimes the experiment fails and sometimes it works but that's part of the fun for me. I never tried AY (I think I might have some in my bank tho) but I've only recently started playing stam builds so I'm pretty big into experimenting with different sets and such right now.

morrowjen

BTW, what do you use for your bow? Right now, I just have a Hunding bow but probably need to upgrade to something else.

thegreat_one

Stamplar,

Keep Solar barrage and Cloak up and LA with jabs .

Leviathan - 2nd boss in CoH2 drops named Daggers. grabbem

Hulking for sustain or deadly for DPS.

I get 25k -30 with this constistantly.

Atherian has a alot of bosses that stand still. Siroria god for that one....

Katahdin

I still see groups wanting 70K+ for vet dlc +1,+2 etc trials