Perma Roll dodge don´t got nerfed ?!

xaraiasb16_ESO

Hei everyone,

I´m playing a Stamina NB and Stamina Templar on PTS - and I can say, the perma Dodgers still be there..

IF you really want to fix the problem you need to stack the cost, from dodgeroll to dodgeroll, so i mean - 20%more/ 40/60/80/100/120 or you go for 30/60/90/120 ect... otherwise there will still be the perma dodging NB´s and Stam builds.

On the other Hand, you have done a great jobs on Sorcs , the Port nerf I mean, good job at this , and I also like the IC at all..

More Feedback coming soon!

Cathexis

xaraiasb16_ESO wrote: »

Hei everyone,

I´m playing a Stamina NB and Stamina Templar on PTS - and I can say, the perma Dodgers still be there..

IF you really want to fix the problem you need to stack the cost, from dodgeroll to dodgeroll, so i mean - 20%more/ 40/60/80/100/120 or you go for 30/60/90/120 ect... otherwise there will still be the perma dodging NB´s and Stam builds.

On the other Hand, you have done a great jobs on Sorcs , the Port nerf I mean, good job at this , and I also like the IC at all..

More Feedback coming soon!

Ezareth

Thanks for posting this. That's what I was trying to get out of Gina on the patch notes.

Yes, without the dodge roll cost increase stacking, permarolling is still very doable. The 33% increase is arbitrary.

That said, the loss of the WW 15% and the NB 15% Stamina regen should make permarolling at least require some sacrifices from the player.

Once you get 25% Stam regen and 18% Dodge roll reduction from Tumbling however you wont even notice the cost of dodge roll.

Alcast

xaraiasb16_ESO wrote: »

Hei everyone,

I´m playing a Stamina NB and Stamina Templar on PTS - and I can say, the perma Dodgers still be there..

IF you really want to fix the problem you need to stack the cost, from dodgeroll to dodgeroll, so i mean - 20%more/ 40/60/80/100/120 or you go for 30/60/90/120 ect... otherwise there will still be the perma dodging NB´s and Stam builds.

On the other Hand, you have done a great jobs on Sorcs , the Port nerf I mean, good job at this , and I also like the IC at all..

More Feedback coming soon!

ofc its still there, instead of stacking 2k stam rec I will just stack 3k to make up for the 33% increase.

And fyi, completly killing the rolling would make stamina classes useless

Lionxoft

Weird, I thought I saw a sorc bolt escaping like it was live server just this morning.

Robbmrp

xaraiasb16_ESO wrote: »

Hei everyone,

I´m playing a Stamina NB and Stamina Templar on PTS - and I can say, the perma Dodgers still be there..

IF you really want to fix the problem you need to stack the cost, from dodgeroll to dodgeroll, so i mean - 20%more/ 40/60/80/100/120 or you go for 30/60/90/120 ect... otherwise there will still be the perma dodging NB´s and Stam builds.

On the other Hand, you have done a great jobs on Sorcs , the Port nerf I mean, good job at this , and I also like the IC at all..

More Feedback coming soon!

Sorcs were dropped down on Bolt for sure but they can still manage 5-8(tested on PTS) consecutive casts. This would be better IMO if you couldn't do more than 3 casts of that and dodge rolls before you were out of resources. My stamina is only at 13k(healer) and I was still almost able to do 4 in a row.

Ezareth

Lionxoft wrote: »

Weird, I thought I saw a sorc bolt escaping like it was live server just this morning.

7 Bolts out of a full mana bar with Archmage/Seducer would be the worst it's been in history. I think after the original bolt escape 50% increase my bolts dropped from 13 to 8.

Hardly what I'd say you can do on live since any NB worth his salt can just sprint after the Sorc and know that he's completely OOM after the 6th or 7th bolt.

Komma

Thats funny. I can only do 6 roll dodges before out of stamina.

Robbmrp

Ezareth wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Weird, I thought I saw a sorc bolt escaping like it was live server just this morning.

7 Bolts out of a full mana bar with Archmage/Seducer would be the worst it's been in history. I think after the original bolt escape 50% increase my bolts dropped from 13 to 8.

Hardly what I'd say you can do on live since any NB worth his salt can just sprint after the Sorc and know that he's completely OOM after the 6th or 7th bolt.

The guy in my group that tested this last night could do 12 on the live server and was only capable of 6 on PTS. IMO any ability that lets you escape combat that fast should be dropped down to more reasonable levels. IMO 3 dodge rolls or Bolts should be the max capable within a certain time frame should be acceptable. They don't need to deplete your resources, they could add cool downs on them that increase with spammed use. So every consecutive cast increases the cool down for the next cast. This way we can defend/attack the gankers. They want quick kills but as soon as they realize your not going to be one, they flee. This will allow us to catch up to them and fight it out.

xaraan

No, it didn't. Maybe they put the penalty in there.

Blocking got nerfed to the ground.

But roll dodging and bolt escaping constantly, still easy as pie for everyone.

Komma

Just tested again. 27k stamina and out of stamina after 6 to 7 roll dodges. Thats also with 26 cp into tumbling.

Alcast

Komma wrote: »

Just tested again. 27k stamina and out of stamina after 6 to 7 roll dodges. Thats also with 26 cp into tumbling.

with 3k Stam rec that wont happen

Ezareth

Komma wrote: »

Just tested again. 27k stamina and out of stamina after 6 to 7 roll dodges. Thats also with 26 cp into tumbling.

What is the cost of each dodge roll?

Are you using stam cost reduction enchants? Full Medium Armor? What is your regen?

Komma

I used to have over 1500 stamina recovery. After the WW nerf 15% and NB nerf 15% I now have 1167. I dont use drinks though.

Alcast

Komma wrote: »

I used to have over 1500 stamina recovery. After the WW nerf 15% and NB nerf 15% I now have 1167. I dont use drinks though.

Drinks are so Op, use them. and 1,2k is way too low for PvP. you need approx 2,5k, now probably better 3k with the 33% increase

Komma

Just to add this is not in combat so my regen is 1874. The 33% stacks just like the sorc bolt change.first one cost like 7% the last one cast around 30. As for not enough for pvp i do rather well with what I have.

xaraiasb16_ESO

Guys, ofc you can just 5- max10 times dodge roll on PTS ! but I just have 1900 Stam reg on PTS, even with one piece Stam reg.

On Live Server´s I will have 2,5k Stam reg or even more if I want...


They have to fix it, otherwise you will see 100000 Stam NBS and Stam builds in generell with Vigor, cause its droped down to rank 5.

Paradox

I can roll maybe twice before I'm drained of stamina as a magicka user. Doing this would only result in a game that only allowed stamina users to roll dodge more than once... Which with the lack of snare immunity, would kill us instantly... because we already can't block.

Glantir

nerf the dodge roll cost trait on medium armor or remove it complete, less rolling for stam builds and no change for magicka builds ^^

Ezareth

Glantir wrote: »

nerf the dodge roll cost trait on medium armor or remove it complete, less rolling for stam builds and no change for magicka builds ^^

WTB Dodge Roll cost trait on my medium armor.

Glantir

Ezareth wrote: »

Glantir wrote: »

nerf the dodge roll cost trait on medium armor or remove it complete, less rolling for stam builds and no change for magicka builds ^^

WTB Dodge Roll cost trait on my medium armor.

I mean the passiv skills..... mr. know-it-all

Gunphu

It sounds to me like you all want more loading time and horseback riding.

Saint_JiubB14_ESO

Ezareth wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Weird, I thought I saw a sorc bolt escaping like it was live server just this morning.

7 Bolts out of a full mana bar with Archmage/Seducer would be the worst it's been in history. I think after the original bolt escape 50% increase my bolts dropped from 13 to 8.

Hardly what I'd say you can do on live since any NB worth his salt can just sprint after the Sorc and know that he's completely OOM after the 6th or 7th bolt.

I take it you haven't seen the change to archmage then?

briandivisionb16_ESO

If people are dodgerolling they have lower damage. Nerfing it would kill any stamina build btw.

Manoekin

Alcast wrote: »

xaraiasb16_ESO wrote: »

Hei everyone,

I´m playing a Stamina NB and Stamina Templar on PTS - and I can say, the perma Dodgers still be there..

IF you really want to fix the problem you need to stack the cost, from dodgeroll to dodgeroll, so i mean - 20%more/ 40/60/80/100/120 or you go for 30/60/90/120 ect... otherwise there will still be the perma dodging NB´s and Stam builds.

On the other Hand, you have done a great jobs on Sorcs , the Port nerf I mean, good job at this , and I also like the IC at all..

More Feedback coming soon!

ofc its still there, instead of stacking 2k stam rec I will just stack 3k to make up for the 33% increase.

And fyi, completly killing the rolling would make stamina classes useless

No, it will make them use it wisely instead of spamming it after every other attack for the damage immunity.

Joy_Division

Alcast wrote: »

xaraiasb16_ESO wrote: »

Hei everyone,

I´m playing a Stamina NB and Stamina Templar on PTS - and I can say, the perma Dodgers still be there..

IF you really want to fix the problem you need to stack the cost, from dodgeroll to dodgeroll, so i mean - 20%more/ 40/60/80/100/120 or you go for 30/60/90/120 ect... otherwise there will still be the perma dodging NB´s and Stam builds.

On the other Hand, you have done a great jobs on Sorcs , the Port nerf I mean, good job at this , and I also like the IC at all..

More Feedback coming soon!

ofc its still there, instead of stacking 2k stam rec I will just stack 3k to make up for the 33% increase.

And fyi, completly killing the rolling would make stamina classes useless

Don't want to kill the rolling, make it so they have to put a little thought into when to use it instead of dodge-rolling from Ash to nickel.

Ezareth

Saint_JiubB14_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Weird, I thought I saw a sorc bolt escaping like it was live server just this morning.

7 Bolts out of a full mana bar with Archmage/Seducer would be the worst it's been in history. I think after the original bolt escape 50% increase my bolts dropped from 13 to 8.

Hardly what I'd say you can do on live since any NB worth his salt can just sprint after the Sorc and know that he's completely OOM after the 6th or 7th bolt.

I take it you haven't seen the change to archmage then?

I havent, but that was likely the set I would drop in 2.1 anyways. What's the change? (other than the spell damage nerf).

vichoi

Ezareth wrote: »

Saint_JiubB14_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Weird, I thought I saw a sorc bolt escaping like it was live server just this morning.

7 Bolts out of a full mana bar with Archmage/Seducer would be the worst it's been in history. I think after the original bolt escape 50% increase my bolts dropped from 13 to 8.

Hardly what I'd say you can do on live since any NB worth his salt can just sprint after the Sorc and know that he's completely OOM after the 6th or 7th bolt.

I take it you haven't seen the change to archmage then?

I havent, but that was likely the set I would drop in 2.1 anyways. What's the change? (other than the spell damage nerf).

Arch Mage don't have cost reduction anymore, it give 805 magicka restore from full charged heavy attack.

I'm using arch mage and seducer, can only do 5 BE now in pts

Nonamesbutmineub17_ESO

With 3000 stamina regen and 20K stamina and 50 points into the champion point tumbling I am only able to dodge roll my nightblade 6 times in a row on PTS, I would say that dodge roll has been nerfed enough already, if anything it has been nerfed too much.

Also tried with 3328 stam regen added from WW transform being on bar and still only 6 dodge rolls in a row.

ToRelax

7-8 consecutive bolt escapes is now the upper end of the spectrum, when built for it (wich is not hard and basically the same as on live).

Ezareth

Nonamesbutmineub17_ESO wrote: »

With 3000 stamina regen and 20K stamina and 50 points into the champion point tumbling I am only able to dodge roll my nightblade 6 times in a row on PTS, I would say that dodge roll has been nerfed enough already, if anything it has been nerfed too much.

Also tried with 3328 stam regen added from WW transform being on bar and still only 6 dodge rolls in a row.

wow...that's rough.

Sword and board definitely a must for stam now.