My Opinion of these forums ...
MCMancub
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I need to say this, because every single post in GD is a circle-jerk of old subscribers demanding the game be as they want. Prepare yourselves. This gonna be ugly.
All of these elitist "I've been a subscriber the whole time" players need to realize that now that the game is B2P, they are the 1%. Maybe not literally (although maybe...), but they are the significant minority. Zenimax does not, nor should they, care about you now. Zenimax is first and foremost a business. You made them no money. That's all there is to it. You're not entitled to anything more than the mount you received. The game went B2P as a result of there being so few of you. In order for the company to sustain itself in the long term, this had to be done. They are adhering to this new crowd now.
Why are they doing this? Why did they screw over subscribers only to focus on Tamriel Unlimited and the new console release? They promised us new content months ago! Because that's their business model now. Played for a whole year? Finished all of the game's current content months ago? Great. There's tens of thousands of new players with plenty of content ready to be explored, and soon to be a lot more with the console release. Not only does that make money, it helps Zenimax synergize all new releases and content with this audience in mind. This allows them to release more content further on down the road, and for that content to have a quality revolving around what their new community wants, not the old, broken one.
Why should Zenimax cater to subscribers when they are the past? It seems most of us who tried out the game at launch, left due to disappointment with the bugs and have now come back are astounded at the changes we see. We see countless bugs that have been fixed, quests that are streamlined, numerous balance fixes (I'M FINALLY RELEVANT AS A STAM NB!), and a promising future ahead. We're not crying for money sinks like player housing, barbershops, and first person horse riding like the subscribers. We readily see that there are more important matters to attend to, like the massive console release. I'll gladly wait 5-6 months for new content if it means the release goes smoothly enough to strengthen the game's player base significantly.
I keep hearing about latency issues. I had endless network and visual bugs at launch, but I've not seen any since I've returned, personally. But if we're following Zenimax's track record, we can expect these issues to be fixed soon.
I realize the forums are not the mind of the community. Those who are content with the game rarely post on the forums and those who are outraged have the loudest voices. I may be a nobody simply expressing my opinion, but someone needs to represent the new community here.
TL;DR: If you're a subscriber, calm down. You've been bought out. Your opinion is of little importance in this new business model.
All of these elitist "I've been a subscriber the whole time" players need to realize that now that the game is B2P, they are the 1%. Maybe not literally (although maybe...), but they are the significant minority. Zenimax does not, nor should they, care about you now. Zenimax is first and foremost a business. You made them no money. That's all there is to it. You're not entitled to anything more than the mount you received. The game went B2P as a result of there being so few of you. In order for the company to sustain itself in the long term, this had to be done. They are adhering to this new crowd now.
Why are they doing this? Why did they screw over subscribers only to focus on Tamriel Unlimited and the new console release? They promised us new content months ago! Because that's their business model now. Played for a whole year? Finished all of the game's current content months ago? Great. There's tens of thousands of new players with plenty of content ready to be explored, and soon to be a lot more with the console release. Not only does that make money, it helps Zenimax synergize all new releases and content with this audience in mind. This allows them to release more content further on down the road, and for that content to have a quality revolving around what their new community wants, not the old, broken one.
Why should Zenimax cater to subscribers when they are the past? It seems most of us who tried out the game at launch, left due to disappointment with the bugs and have now come back are astounded at the changes we see. We see countless bugs that have been fixed, quests that are streamlined, numerous balance fixes (I'M FINALLY RELEVANT AS A STAM NB!), and a promising future ahead. We're not crying for money sinks like player housing, barbershops, and first person horse riding like the subscribers. We readily see that there are more important matters to attend to, like the massive console release. I'll gladly wait 5-6 months for new content if it means the release goes smoothly enough to strengthen the game's player base significantly.
I keep hearing about latency issues. I had endless network and visual bugs at launch, but I've not seen any since I've returned, personally. But if we're following Zenimax's track record, we can expect these issues to be fixed soon.
I realize the forums are not the mind of the community. Those who are content with the game rarely post on the forums and those who are outraged have the loudest voices. I may be a nobody simply expressing my opinion, but someone needs to represent the new community here.
TL;DR: If you're a subscriber, calm down. You've been bought out. Your opinion is of little importance in this new business model.
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Hayuru✭✭A little harsh. I would say, subscriber's opinion is not worth more than normal player's.1 -
UrQuan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭As a subscriber since day one (continually subscribed with my main account, and continually subscribed with my second account from the time I started it a couple of months after launch), I have to say that for the most part I agree with you. It won't stop me from talking about things that I would like to see in the game, but then when I do post about such things it's never a demand, or me thinking I'm entitled to them, it's simply me saying "I would like to see X in the game" as a suggestion in the hopes that ZOS will see it and agree (or that flaws in my idea that I hadn't thought of will be pointed out - sometimes what I think would be a good idea turns out to not be such a good idea).
I love hearing things like this from returning players. Every now and then I stop to think about how much the game has improved over the last year, but somehow hearing it from people who went away for a while puts it more in perspective.It seems most of us who tried out the game at launch, left due to disappointment with the bugs and have now come back are astounded at the changes we see. We see countless bugs that have been fixed, quests that are streamlined, numerous balance fixes (I'M FINALLY RELEVANT AS A STAM NB!), and a promising future ahead.
Someone stole my sweetrollCaius Drusus Imperial DK (DC)
Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC)
Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP)
Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD)
J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD)Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP)
Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC)
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Actually ... kinda hoping the OP is an April Fool's Day joke!Edited by IrishGirlGamer on April 1, 2015 8:14PMValar Morghulis.
Someday I'm going to put a sword through your eye and out the back of your skull. Arya Stark
You're going to die tomorrow, Lord Bolton. Sleep well. Sansa Stark
If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. Desmond Tutu3 -
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✭✭Going by the forum prior to change over to Tamriel Unlimited, quite a few of the players demanding this game stays purely subscription based, may well have moved on.
Cannot say the change to b2p ever bothered me. Fact is, any of us can still pay a subscription if we choose to do so.Edited by phairdon on April 1, 2015 8:13PMYour immersion is breaking my entitlement. Buff Sorc's. Darkshroud the cremator Death by furRubeus BlackFluffy knight BladesThe Fat PantherPsijic Fungal SausageFlesheater the VileCaspian Rafferty FernsbyArchfiend Warlock PiersThe Black BishopEvil Wizard Lizard (EU)Neberra Vestige Fajeon (EU)Salanis Deathstick (EU)Blood Mage Alchemist (EU)0 -
Slurg✭✭✭✭✭
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Some of us came to understand our new reality quite some time ago and prefer to try to nudge the others a little more gently into the acceptance stage. I am enjoying warm sweetrolls* and trying to be helpful when possible, but yes I have noticed too that some people only want to complain and can't be helped. Perhaps your harsh reality check is the better approach but I expect you'll receive much hostility for your efforts.TL;DR: If you're a subscriber, calm down. You've been bought out. Your opinion is of little importance in this new business model.
*For the record I did not steal UrQuan's or anyone else's sweetrolls; I'm buying them with my extra $15.
PS: You know what they say about people who complain about complainers around here? Think you'll find out soon if you don't.Edited by Slurg on April 1, 2015 8:20PMHappy All the Holidays To You and Yours!
Remembering better days of less RNG in all the things.0 -
UrQuan✭✭✭✭✭
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LIAR!!!! I'll sick the guards on you!*For the record I did not steal UrQuan's or anyone else's sweetrolls; I'm buying them with my extra $15.Edited by UrQuan on April 1, 2015 8:19PM
Someone stole my sweetrollCaius Drusus Imperial DK (DC)
Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC)
Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP)
Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD)
J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD)Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP)
Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC)
Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp0 -
Slurg✭✭✭✭✭
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Not the immortal guards! No!!!
/runs to the outlaw refuge to hide out and work on strategy to prove I came by these tasty treats legitimately.
Happy All the Holidays To You and Yours!
Remembering better days of less RNG in all the things.0 -
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