I'm hoping that they let us have them for free. These seem like key aspects of the game, plus I think I have already found an EP location for one. In Deshaan near Smuggler's Slip, right from the Khajiit ship. That's where i think one of them is going to be at least.

• They almost certainly (95%) won't be free.
• They definitely (100%) won't be the first DLC.

The content considered DLC by ZOS is the stuff you have to pay for (despite the fact that you have to download it all anyway), so which DLC it is will depend on what prior content is considered DLC.

• The first content to drop will be Imperial City. That might (50%) be free. If it is free, it won't be considered DLC.
• The second content to drop will be Wrothgar/Orsinium. That won't (99.9%) be free, and will be considered DLC.

JD2013 wrote: »

Imperial City will come first, I am doubting that will be free either (It may be in Cyrodiil, but it will be in different instances, so they can likely put that behind a paywall)

They certainly could do that, but would it be a good idea?

Situation 1:
"Hey guys! I just bought Imperial City! Let's go check it out!"
"Sorry dude, our alliance doesn't own all our home keeps right now, you can't get in."
"Seriously? I can't check out content that I just paid $15 for?" /ragequit

Situation 2:
"Awesome, we only have to get one more keep to get Imperial City access!" *Keep flips*
"Everyone into Imperial City! Go go go!... Except you. You haven't bought Imperial City."
"Seriously? I just spent 3 hours capturing keeps and now can't check out the reward for all that effort?" /ragequit

Summary:
Content with an in-game access restriction/reward system cannot also be behind a paywall, as it will create animosity.

Earning IC access by control of keeps has always been promoted as "the way it will work", like Darkness Falls in DAoC, so I don't see them changing that aspect of it now. It would also be detrimental if they did, as there would be no incentive to capture keeps if you couldn't cut off the other Alliances' access (and therefore had to restore your own).

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Imperial City will come first, I am doubting that will be free either (It may be in Cyrodiil, but it will be in different instances, so they can likely put that behind a paywall)

They certainly could do that, but would it be a good idea?

Situation 1:
"Hey guys! I just bought Imperial City! Let's go check it out!"
"Sorry dude, our alliance doesn't own all our home keeps right now, you can't get in."
"Seriously? I can't check out content that I just paid $15 for?" /ragequit

Situation 2:
"Awesome, we only have to get one more keep to get Imperial City access!" *Keep flips*
"Everyone into Imperial City! Go go go!... Except you. You haven't bought Imperial City."
"Seriously? I just spent 3 hours capturing keeps and now can't check out the reward for all that effort?" /ragequit

Summary:
Content with an in-game access restriction/reward system cannot also be behind a paywall, as it will create animosity.

Earning IC access by control of keeps has always been promoted as "the way it will work", like Darkness Falls in DAoC, so I don't see them changing that aspect of it now. It would also be detrimental if they did, as there would be no incentive to capture keeps if you couldn't cut off the other Alliances' access (and therefore had to restore your own).

I thought it had been said there would be AVAVA in the IC! But it was ages ago they first started talking about it, making it seem like it was weeks away.....

There will be, because access is based on ownership of home keeps. If every alliance controls all their home keeps and no enemy keeps, every alliance has access. Comparing to DAoC again, it would also be the case that if an alliance loses access, they won't be kicked out, so at that time, players from the opposing alliance(s) may focus on killing all the members of the "losing alliance" so they are routed from the city and would need to reclaim their home keep again before they can get back in. If the opposing alliances are in the city, there won't be much opposition, so the "losing alliance" will be back again quite soon.

Enodoc wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Imperial City will come first, I am doubting that will be free either (It may be in Cyrodiil, but it will be in different instances, so they can likely put that behind a paywall)

They certainly could do that, but would it be a good idea?

Situation 1:
"Hey guys! I just bought Imperial City! Let's go check it out!"
"Sorry dude, our alliance doesn't own all our home keeps right now, you can't get in."
"Seriously? I can't check out content that I just paid $15 for?" /ragequit

Situation 2:
"Awesome, we only have to get one more keep to get Imperial City access!" *Keep flips*
"Everyone into Imperial City! Go go go!... Except you. You haven't bought Imperial City."
"Seriously? I just spent 3 hours capturing keeps and now can't check out the reward for all that effort?" /ragequit

Summary:
Content with an in-game access restriction/reward system cannot also be behind a paywall, as it will create animosity.

Earning IC access by control of keeps has always been promoted as "the way it will work", like Darkness Falls in DAoC, so I don't see them changing that aspect of it now. It would also be detrimental if they did, as there would be no incentive to capture keeps if you couldn't cut off the other Alliances' access (and therefore had to restore your own).

Oh no, I agree that IC should be free, but reading through everything that was datamined etcetera I can not see them giving away that much new content for free.

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ESO plus membership, second point: "Access to all DLC Game Packs as long as the ESO Plus membership is current"

This means that future DLC's will not be free if you dont have an active ESO Plus subscription, the updates will be free but area's like Wrothgar (and maybe Imperial City) will probably need to be bought to gain access.

Enodoc wrote: »

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

I am really curious about the price they will ask us to pay for IC & Orsinium.... I have the true feeling that they are not going to do things right.

What I think would be about right:

Imperial City - Free
Orsinium - 2500 - 3000 Crowns

Just sub for a month and you have a free DLC, it will be around €10 for just the DLC I think.

There's gonna be some massive sticker shock once IC comes out. Costumes cost, what, $7.50? And we've got people thinking that the content they've been working on for a year will be $5 or $10? It will be $25 at least.

Sallington wrote: »

MCMancub wrote: »

There's gonna be some massive sticker shock once IC comes out. Costumes cost, what, $7.50? And we've got people thinking that the content they've been working on for a year will be $5 or $10? It will be $25 at least.

That's a great way to attract new players, with an $85 entry fee.



I know this paid DLC is going to be the push I need to never, ever return to the game.

Oh, good, you're here. I was wondering when someone was going to take my post and over-exaggerate it with some negative attitude.

Sallington wrote: »

MCMancub wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

MCMancub wrote: »

There's gonna be some massive sticker shock once IC comes out. Costumes cost, what, $7.50? And we've got people thinking that the content they've been working on for a year will be $5 or $10? It will be $25 at least.

That's a great way to attract new players, with an $85 entry fee.



I know this paid DLC is going to be the push I need to never, ever return to the game.

Oh, good, you're here. I was wondering when someone was going to take my post and over-exaggerate it with some negative attitude.

So you're 100% cool with DLC costing $25?

It entirely depends on the DLC, but generally, yes.

Sallington wrote: »

MCMancub wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

MCMancub wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

MCMancub wrote: »

There's gonna be some massive sticker shock once IC comes out. Costumes cost, what, $7.50? And we've got people thinking that the content they've been working on for a year will be $5 or $10? It will be $25 at least.

That's a great way to attract new players, with an $85 entry fee.



I know this paid DLC is going to be the push I need to never, ever return to the game.

Oh, good, you're here. I was wondering when someone was going to take my post and over-exaggerate it with some negative attitude.

So you're 100% cool with DLC costing $25?

It entirely depends on the DLC, but generally, yes.

That's getting close to expansion-tier money IMO. That's how B2P/F2P games roll I guess though. They get rid of the subscriptions and overcharge for everything else.

If they included everything from E3 and Quakecon 2014, then $25 would be a good value.

I've purchased several DLC's from Steam at that price. It's the market standard.

Maybe it's just the software engineer in me that recognizes just how much software actually costs.

Wait so $!20 ish dollars for the imperial edition. Now like $25 for DLC. Maybe there will be 3 DLCs this year. Thats $195 if they all cost $25.

Still better DLC cost than Destiny.

Well, we can conjecture on pricing as much as we like, it's still got to be put out for them to price it.

ctt13 wrote: »

Yeah but the problem is I want to know when they will be released. Will it be in 30 days or will it be in 60 days?

We probably won't find that out until QuakeCon, which isn't until the end of July.