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Templar vs damage shields.
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As everyone know damage shields full negate your dots, crit rates, etc.
Since Templars has only few viable PvP skills, lets check how OP damage shields(i.e. sorcs
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1. Reflective Light/Vampire Bane - ~60% of this ability damage is going for dot, however dots not procs vs damage shields, so we loosing 60% of ability damage. +10% crit rate buff on hit - as we know crit rate is 0% vs damage shields, so again buff is not working vs shields. At least it still can snare through shield. 2. Puncturing Sweep - [heal you for 40% of damage inflicted]; however if your ability is hitting enemy with damage shield on, sweep is healing you for 0% of inflicted damage. Biting Jabs - [+10% crit rate buff], as we already know crit rate is 0% vs shields; so no matter which morph you pick up, it won't work.
3. Purifying Light - [should absorb and release 36% of damage]. However if you casted it and attacked enemy with shield - no matter how many damage you will deal to him, Purifying Light will release 5(!) damage. <---not work at all.
4. Radiant Glory - [heal you for 20% of damage inflicted] same as Sweep, if you use it against target with shield - it heal you for 0% of inflicted damage.
0. Quick siphon, - [heal you upon dealing damage] not Templar skill but has most potential in combo with Jabs, however ability is not working on damage shields, so you won't be healed at all.
As you can see not impressive results how limited templar skills loosing all its effectiveness vs damage shields.
Edited by Cinbri on 25 August 2015 09:23 Since Templars has only few viable PvP skills, lets check how OP damage shields(i.e. sorcs
) vs Templar skills:1. Reflective Light/Vampire Bane - ~60% of this ability damage is going for dot, however dots not procs vs damage shields, so we loosing 60% of ability damage. +10% crit rate buff on hit - as we know crit rate is 0% vs damage shields, so again buff is not working vs shields. At least it still can snare through shield. 2. Puncturing Sweep - [heal you for 40% of damage inflicted]; however if your ability is hitting enemy with damage shield on, sweep is healing you for 0% of inflicted damage. Biting Jabs - [+10% crit rate buff], as we already know crit rate is 0% vs shields; so no matter which morph you pick up, it won't work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1vPcxjVnAs&feature=youtu.be3. Purifying Light - [should absorb and release 36% of damage]. However if you casted it and attacked enemy with shield - no matter how many damage you will deal to him, Purifying Light will release 5(!) damage. <---not work at all.
4. Radiant Glory - [heal you for 20% of damage inflicted] same as Sweep, if you use it against target with shield - it heal you for 0% of inflicted damage.
0. Quick siphon, - [heal you upon dealing damage] not Templar skill but has most potential in combo with Jabs, however ability is not working on damage shields, so you won't be healed at all.
As you can see not impressive results how limited templar skills loosing all its effectiveness vs damage shields.
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BuggeX✭✭✭✭✭
✭Change on the PTS,
Dots working vs shilds
Shild can be critted#makemagickadkgreataigan
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✭✭✭Magicka DoTs are already working on damage shields. Stamina DoTs too, with the exception of bleeds. The OP is wrong about that.EU | PC | AD0 -
EnOeZ✭✭✭✭- Are bleeds working on shields in next update?
- And is "Constitution" (resources when hit) in Heavy Armor working with shields on now ?
- Also are "On hit" sets (Leeching Plate for example) working with caster' shields on ?
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✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Magicka DoTs are already working on damage shields. Stamina DoTs too, with the exception of bleeds. The OP is wrong about that.
Wow, really? So sorcs will have significantly weaker shields and a crippled escape, sorc OP!
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Oh my fault then, thought they patched this with v2.1.2#makemagickadkgreataigan
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Edited my post with video proof that dot not working on damage shield. Bad quality and laggy , but it is my perfomance in ICmike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Magicka DoTs are already working on damage shields. Stamina DoTs too, with the exception of bleeds. The OP is wrong about that.
still CLS and rest are showing needed info. Hope there is no need to proove that Crit rate not work either.
Sets and abilities, that proc in hit(Desert Rose, Leeching, Malubeth, etc.) are not working against damage shields.- Are bleeds working on shields in next update?
- And is "Constitution" (resources when hit) in Heavy Armor working with shields on now ?
- Also are "On hit" sets (Leeching Plate for example) working with caster' shields on ?
Answer much appreciated.
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Springt-Über-Zwerge✭✭✭✭What broke that soul assault? Mine worked vs sorcs last time I used it in pvp (which was a while ago)PC,EU, EP
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Soul Assault? If you mean my video it was Sun Fire that should proc dot, but dot not working.Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »What broke that soul assault? Mine worked vs sorcs last time I used it in pvp (which was a while ago)
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✭✭✭✭✭Septimus_Magna wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Magicka DoTs are already working on damage shields. Stamina DoTs too, with the exception of bleeds. The OP is wrong about that.
Wow, really? So sorcs will have significantly weaker shields and a crippled escape, sorc OP!
That is correct. The designers coded the update so only sorcerer shields allow DoT damage ...Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.0 -
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Soul Assault? If you mean my video it was Sun Fire that should proc dot, but dot not working.Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »What broke that soul assault? Mine worked vs sorcs last time I used it in pvp (which was a while ago)
Oh my fault thought that first sun fire looked like the first hit of soul assault
But yea dots should work vs shields I play a Dk too who relies on dots for dps and has no chance to kill sorcs. On the other hand I can just ignore them because they cant kill me anyways xDPC,EU, EP
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✭They should make DoTs bypass all shields, at least that would make them somewhat useful. As it currently stands, DoTs are too weak to have much effect on a fight.
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Springt-Über-Zwerge✭✭✭✭They should make DoTs bypass all shields, at least that would make them somewhat useful. As it currently stands, DoTs are too weak to have much effect on a fight.
Not if you stack dots but its pretty useless vs templars and nbs who just use cloak/purifying ritual and all others can use purge to get rid of themPC,EU, EP
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✭annulment and its morphs (harness/dampen) really screw magicka vs magicka fights, which is why we need the shield breaker set in light/heavy armor, not mediumPC/NA || Cyro/BGs || solo/smallscale || retired until Dagon brings a new dawn of PvP1 -
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✭Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »They should make DoTs bypass all shields, at least that would make them somewhat useful. As it currently stands, DoTs are too weak to have much effect on a fight.
Not if you stack dots but its pretty useless vs templars and nbs who just use cloak/purifying ritual and all others can use purge to get rid of them
Meaning you need to counter it, instead of ignoring it... ie. the same as healing yourself when you take damage or dodging or blocking... react vs ignore.
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✭✭✭✭@ZOS_GinaBruno can you check those ones: in addition to templar skills
1. Siphon from restoration staff tree is not working vs damage shields.
2. Honor the Dead is not increasing on leveling IV on live grant 18% mana return, on PTS it not leveling from I 15% and on IV version still 15%, i.e we loosing 12% of return in total.
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Zlater✭✭✭Has the shield overflow problem been fixed?
Probably not, its one of those things that we all know exist, but is in the gonna do it but probably wont until sorcerers are as useful as a magikarp.Ask for an invite to the greatest network of guilds ever. Redfur Trading, Redfur Exchange and Redfur Army!
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Sorry but I have never seen a real proof it existsPC,EU, EP
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Well Id like to see one I have way smaller shields than sorcs and did not notice it yet so maybe there is a link with details on it?PC,EU, EP
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✭They should make DoTs bypass all shields, at least that would make them somewhat useful. As it currently stands, DoTs are too weak to have much effect on a fight.
Burning Embers 12k DMG
Engulfing Flames 9,5k DMG
DB of Smiting 13k DMG (+60% vs Vamps)
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✭✭✭Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »
Well Id like to see one I have way smaller shields than sorcs and did not notice it yet so maybe there is a link with details on it?
Are you by any chance a heavy armor permablocker? Because if you are, then you wouldn't notice it with block mitigating sth like 70% of projectile damage.EU | PC | AD0 -
Springt-Über-Zwerge✭✭✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »
Well Id like to see one I have way smaller shields than sorcs and did not notice it yet so maybe there is a link with details on it?
Are you by any chance a heavy armor permablocker? Because if you are, then you wouldn't notice it with block mitigating sth like 70% of projectile damage.
My Dk uses this concept but my templar doesnt also I played my Dk different in the past and didnt notice the bug too.PC,EU, EP
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✭✭✭✭✭They should make DoTs bypass all shields, at least that would make them somewhat useful. As it currently stands, DoTs are too weak to have much effect on a fight.
Burning Embers 12k DMG
Engulfing Flames 9,5k DMG
DB of Smiting 13k DMG (+60% vs Vamps)
10 Seks and you die if you dont have a purge
You haven't fought many Nightblades and Templars, have you?Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.1 -
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✭Joy_Division wrote: »They should make DoTs bypass all shields, at least that would make them somewhat useful. As it currently stands, DoTs are too weak to have much effect on a fight.
Burning Embers 12k DMG
Engulfing Flames 9,5k DMG
DB of Smiting 13k DMG (+60% vs Vamps)
10 Seks and you die if you dont have a purge
You haven't fought many Nightblades and Templars, have you?
We are speaking vs shilds, nb teamplars doesnt use shilldstack as much as sorcs, sorc doesnt purge#makemagickadkgreataigan
#givemeaexecute
#ineedheal
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