I must have built my two NBs wrong because I have no problem with them. I have two characters of each class that I took in totally different directions so I could get a feel for class builds. My Khajiit NB that uses all Class skills except for 2 Bow skills is great, my only real complaint being that Shadow Cloak doesn't last long enough. It goes through content just as well as does my all heavy wearing 2H (no staffs or pets) Orc Sorcerer and my Dark Elf Sword&Board DK. They each have their own strengths and weaknesses. I see none as OP.

At first I had a hard time with the concept of all class skills use magic, it's blasphemy I thought. But I adjusted my build thought embracing that fact and now I have no problem.

Adapt to the game because the game isn't going to adapt to you.

@Evergreen‌

I promise you it doesn't plenty of damage and works quite well in PvP.

As for Dark Cloak not working with DoTs, that's exactly the problem the video addresses.

I'm beginning to think that the "unique problems specific to those platforms(consoles)" is typical Zenimax-speak for "yeah, Microsoft and Sony actually have approval processes for their games which we couldn't pass but that's not something we had to worry about before dropping this steaming pile in the laps of PC users!"

F7sus4 wrote: »

Esha76 wrote: »

Stop accusing ZOS of trying to suck another month's sub out of (...) So trust me, they have all the incentive in the world to fix our NB class asap.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting][/b

Its been 2 months... you are an idiot if you have that opinion after 2 months...

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Incoming Fixes & Improvements
We have ongoing efforts to improve the Nightblade class, and fix some of the outstanding issues. Below is an early look at some of the incoming fixes and improvements you will see in content patch 1.2.X.

• Incapacitate will increase heavy attack damage.
• Incapacitating Strike will now be capable of critical strikes.
• Master Assassin will increase spell power in addition to weapon power.
• Path of Darkness damage will be increased. The ability will also be visible to all players.
• Refreshing Path will heal allies. The healing will also be slightly increased.
• Refreshing Shadows will always be active, and will no longer require you to use an ability.

Is this a joke?

"Incapacitate will increase heavy attack damage." - No one heavy attacks outside of attempting to stun lock a veteran mob or maybe even a player (who has to be AFK anyway, in order to pull this off). How is this useful? I mean, okay, if incapacitate increases heavy attack damage by 300%, maybe this will prove in anyway a good buff.

"Incapacitating Strike will now be capable of critical strikes." - What about Soul Harvest? Will we be able to couple this with Shadow Cloak for 100% crit? Does ZOS understand exactly how worthless crit is in this game? Because when you have a class that is so under preforming compaired to other classes, how you fix it is by adding more RNG.

"Master Assassin will increase spell power in addition to weapon power." - way cool, now I use that magicka based build I've always wanted to*. I think it's safe to assume at this point that ZOS has given up on trying to make Stamina based builds viable in anyway.

"Path of Darkness damage will be increased. The ability will also be visible to all players." - You could double it's damage, and it would still be worthless.

"Refreshing Path will heal allies. The healing will also be slightly increased." - Do you know whats funny? How my guild mates have been joking about how I 'might as well go healer' on my NB. I'm sure this one 'slight' change, will completely make NB's viable healers.

"Refreshing Shadows will always be active, and will no longer require you to use an ability." - How about just making the 30% regen not subject to the diminishing returns softcap! I mean, with all this extra (about 12% due to DR, depending on how close you are to cap...) stamina, I'll be able to use all those worthless stamina based weapon abilities, and still practically do NO DAMAGE WHATSOEVER!

I'm sorry to be rude Jess, but what the hell is this? I remain the only member of my guild to have gotten a Nightblade to V10 (and now V12), and in every way do the other classes in my guild out preform me. And, we are not just talking a little bit here, I have a guild mate who's pulling 850dps single target (DK pryomage), while I struggle to keep north of 350dps. That's not a 'slight' difference, that is a 140% difference. Now sure, my build isn't the most optimal at current (no destro staff and 5 peices light armour), but it's synergetic and planned out, this isn't a build of random abilities lumped on a bar. Moves are swapped in and out according to viability on particular instances and boss fights, I'm min maxing this build to the greastest level I can, and I'm pushing to be the best player I can. But, there is still this HUGE difference in performance, and I cannot overcome without huge compromises to how and why I want to play this class and this game.

This class (and others), and stamina/ weapon based aspects of this game require MAJOR attention, not little tweeks, and they need them soon.

ClikC

*Because as a nightblade, what I really want to do is run around pretending to be a wizard.

NordJitsu wrote: »

@Evergreen‌

I promise you it doesn't plenty of damage and works quite well in PvP.

As for Dark Cloak not working with DoTs, that's exactly the problem the video addresses.

It doesnt. Ive spent a ridiculous amount of gold and time on different builds/morphs to try out anything I could think of. Your "nasty NB" is no exception. Find yourself a nice DK with Dragon Blood (ie. any DK out there) and you'll find out for yourself or better yet just look at your skill layout. The only thing on your bow bar is kiting stuff. As soon as they see that your ranged damage is weak they're just going to sit there and outlast you.

NB should be doing a whole lot more damage. It's a "Do or Die" class without the "Do"

The longer it takes for ZOS to make some serious changes the worse it'll become for them. After a really long time of playing MMO's I understand stuff takes time, but on the other hand my patience with grieveous imbalances and poorly executed (class) designs depletes more rapidly than it used to. It will also influence their demographic with the more serious gamers moving on eventually.

I guess Im just unlucky that my favourite playstyle proves to be too difficult for ZOS atm. My young, alting years have gone and I'd like to be able to compete on every level with my chosen character. If not, I'll have to eventually bow out.

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jelliedsoup wrote: »

That's the problem, NBs get no bonus for sneaking. We should be able to be hard to detect, have better detection and deal more damage from sneak mode. If we're exposed, caught, fair enough we get dealt to, at the moment, we just get dealt to as it's all even.

Pick kajjit for your race,Thats where you have almost everything you said together with the medium armor.

Marius87 wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

That's the problem, NBs get no bonus for sneaking. We should be able to be hard to detect, have better detection and deal more damage from sneak mode. If we're exposed, caught, fair enough we get dealt to, at the moment, we just get dealt to as it's all even.

Pick kajjit for your race,Thats where you have almost everything you said together with the medium armor.

Nah, hate Cats and always play Bosmer. Oddly I dislike the High Elves as well.

I prefer the three EP races 2nd, 3rd and 4th much more than the rest, but my loyalty remains to the Wood Elves.

Like other people have stated, Nightblades aren't weak..They have a few bugged abilities (same with other classes, but then again thanks to the crappy tooltips in this game, you never know what is actually bugged and what is not)

What is weak are Stamina Builds, which most Nightblades end up going...

The only good Stamina Build was the Bash Build, the rest are complete crap compared to Magicka Builds.

Until ZoS improves Stamina Builds, most NB's will complain they're weak.

My 2 cents on PvP. Personally I would love if they would just give us the increased movement from concealed weapon passively so I can actually get the arm pen morph consider I can be discovered via simply walking next to me because I sneak at a snail's pace. Plus on top of the vamp's dark stalker for survivablity but now subjected to the 125% fire dmg. With all of the anti stealth mechanic out there, I would love if dark cloak actually worked and lasted longer. And increase veil strike/concealed weapon's range by like a few meters, it's hard enough to sneak as it is and to get into melee range just to be discovered w/o using the ability is disheartening.

Compared to the alternative Ambush, the damage doesn't justify it because from stealth they both stun and simply in terms of damage VS/CW wins over ambush. One way to rectify this is to combine both weapon's dmg and maybe increase that by a percent and apply it to ambush so it's actually a real open from stealth. Right now it's just an expensive interrupt with a bonus to next attack which is fine, I guess.

Also I would love to see Blood Craze from DW reworked/buffed/or change morph ability on it. I feel like the HoT tick from it is so pointless that maybe it can be converted to more direct damage as opposed to DoT because they just reset and not accumulate or buff the HoT. I'm sorry but 54 heal per 2 sec isn't really doing anything.

And looking into Flurry. I havnt touch that since i was lv20 something. With a 1.3s channel time, I'm better off using flying dagger and clipping the attack animation with a light attack. Pretty much my personal peeve with the game for now. Sorry for wall of text

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Like other people have stated, Nightblades aren't weak..They have a few bugged abilities (same with other classes, but then again thanks to the crappy tooltips in this game, you never know what is actually bugged and what is not)

What is weak are Stamina Builds, which most Nightblades end up going...

The only good Stamina Build was the Bash Build, the rest are complete crap compared to Magicka Builds.

Until ZoS improves Stamina Builds, most NB's will complain they're weak.

LOL, are you high?

come midnight tonight, expect ESO to be quite empty

Vuron wrote: »

@damfatcow‌

One argument that I hear and that I don't understand is the whole "I want to have a stamina build". I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't actually want a stamina build... you just want your bow skills to be viable.

The issue isn't really about magicka/stamina, but it's about the fact that most weapon skills are inferior to class and guild abilities. All weapons, not just bow, have this issue. I think the core design of the game is flawed with the way they set up the 2 pools. It would make everything much easier if all attacks scaled from one pool and the other other pool was used for defense (dodge, block, etc.)

My primary bar is DW, but I have no weapon skills slotted and I'm completely magicka based. I have bow and both resto and desto maxed, as well. I use them all in certain situation. I've had no problems soloing to end-game, but this doesn't change the fact that we're still not needed in groups.

I think there are many issues that people are confusing as being NB specific, which really aren't.

If our inability to make decent damage in melee range is due to poor weapon skills why then DK's are able to do it ? DK's have good support skills , mitigation , buffs and main melee spell is much cheaper then ours. We should have some of it as well. Its not just problem in magic/stamina disbalance u have problem even in melee/caster department and i agree that weapon abilities are weak. I personally dont mind using magic spells at all . All i want is to stay in melee range ( with reason ) while doing damage coz i hate to be caster. So its not just that simple. One way or another i dont see ZOS will make necessary changes anytime soon coz they announcing changes which are just window dressing .