FENGRUSH stam sorc builds

FENGRUSH · October 2015

Ill update this thread:

1vX / Small group PvP build:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76CTHgFgejo

PVE build (has been slightly modified on bars):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNQ1O5JtSVQ

New PVE build - made for Maelstrom arena but damage output will be better then Ali build if you add in weapon enchant jewelry (same concept behind Ali build). This one includes stam regen enchants to get through maelstrom solo content:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHGpbcZYg98

This is new PvP build - closest to what I did with Ali but refined for orsinium patch. Get it while its good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9kW3Q9BvUs

If you have any questions posting comments on my youtube is fastest way to get a reply!

Makkir · October 2015

Did you play a Draenei in WoW too?

Akinos · October 2015

Fengroooooooooooooshaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Minno · October 2015

#Dangerzone

Shelgon · October 2015

How can you be good looking AND good at the game, it doesn't work like that...

FENGRUSH is just living proof that life isn't fair.

CP5 · October 2015

Just a quick question. I looked at thundering presence and chose not grab it on either of my sorcs (one caster and one stamina), is there anything good going for that morph?

FENGRUSH · October 2015

Hey everyone, thanks for showing interest here!

CP5 wrote: »

Just a quick question. I looked at thundering presence and chose not grab it on either of my sorcs (one caster and one stamina), is there anything good going for that morph?

Good question. There is almost nothing going good for this skill. You will see a bit of damage from it if you are a PURE PVE player and you have maxed your weapon damage like say in the tyson build it may shoot up to 2-3k a tick, which is pretty crappy.

The only good thing is that it counts as a melee dot and can affect procing things such as ravager which isnt bad in the tyson type build using ravager if you are again, purely using it for PVE. If you wanna go into PvP though, the skill will bury your stam if you intend to run around alone or use it as a means of upping run speed during escape.

Hope it helps.

CP5 · October 2015

So basically it offers nothing unless you are in a mob of enemies so you can milk the aoe damage for everything it's worth, guess i'll be sticking with boundless then.

FENGRUSH · October 2015

CP5 wrote: »

So basically it offers nothing unless you are in a mob of enemies so you can milk the aoe damage for everything it's worth, guess i'll be sticking with boundless then.

Exactly. It would be better if it loses any and all damage properties (because keep in mind, the magicka version is based off of elemental damage) that refer to its 'scaling with weapon damage' and just is equal in a sense that 1) it lasts the same duration as the magicka version 2) gives the same duration of speed. But in both cases, it comes up short, so if youre running around in PvP youll find yourself having to recast this every 3-4 seconds, essentially crushing your stamina in a bad way. Plus it lasts 15 seconds versus 23 seconds in total from an armor perspective.

This skill that was 'added for stam sorcs' was essentially as bad as I said itd be on the PTS - but nobody from balance has listened to my feedback on stam sorc anyway.

CP5 · October 2015

At least bound armaments turned out well.

Erock25 · October 2015

FENGRUSH wrote: »

The only good thing is that it counts as a melee dot and can affect procing things such as ravager which isnt bad in the tyson type build using ravager if you are again, purely using it for PVE.

When I tested Thundering in 2.1, it did not proc Ravager. Are you sure it is now proccing ravager?

Ezareth · October 2015

FENGRUSH wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

So basically it offers nothing unless you are in a mob of enemies so you can milk the aoe damage for everything it's worth, guess i'll be sticking with boundless then.

Exactly. It would be better if it loses any and all damage properties (because keep in mind, the magicka version is based off of elemental damage) that refer to its 'scaling with weapon damage' and just is equal in a sense that 1) it lasts the same duration as the magicka version 2) gives the same duration of speed. But in both cases, it comes up short, so if youre running around in PvP youll find yourself having to recast this every 3-4 seconds, essentially crushing your stamina in a bad way. Plus it lasts 15 seconds versus 23 seconds in total from an armor perspective.

This skill that was 'added for stam sorcs' was essentially as bad as I said itd be on the PTS - but nobody from balance has listened to my feedback on stam sorc anyway.

It makes total sense to use Boundless solely for the sake it uses magicka as a resource instead of your primary resource.

On my Stamblade I love having Double-take as it gives me something to consume magicka on while I sprint. With Windrunning and drink you get some hefty Stamina and magicka regen so you can pretty much sprint at max speed forever. I do like that Boundless gives you 7.5 seconds of Major expedition compared to double-take which allows you to sprint longer without having to stop/cast as I do every 4 seconds.

I just don't think they could do anything to this ability as a "Stamina Morph" that would make sense as the nature of consuming stamina on a speed buff is counterintuitive as it shares the same resource that sprinting consumes.

SturgeHammer · October 2015

At first I thought running Greater Storm Atronach was going to be miserable, but it has surprised me with how with how well it has been performing for my Stam Sorc.

twistedmonk · October 2015

what addon gives you F1-8 for potions???

ZOS_JessicaFolsom · October 2015

Thanks for sharing these, @FENGRUSH! Would you be willing to submit one of them for the Battlemaster's Corner?

twistedmonk · October 2015

Honestly, this build is a 2-hander/dual wield stamina class - any class can run this build .

#1 Nightblade - fear/cloak best magic dumps for stamina build
#2 Sorc - see Fengrush build
#3 Dk/Templar - both are gimped because of no mobility

FENGRUSH · October 2015

Erock25 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

The only good thing is that it counts as a melee dot and can affect procing things such as ravager which isnt bad in the tyson type build using ravager if you are again, purely using it for PVE.

When I tested Thundering in 2.1, it did not proc Ravager. Are you sure it is now proccing ravager?

Not sure I havent tried it in awhile. Basically if you use sprint, like Ezareth said, you really dont wanna use the stam version because it eats into your stam real quick.

SturgeHammer wrote: »

At first I thought running Greater Storm Atronach was going to be miserable, but it has surprised me with how with how well it has been performing for my Stam Sorc.

It works real nice actually in cases. Ill make builds with bound arms too but this is definitely working out well, plus you still get your other ult for damage of your choice (I choose meteor!)

twistedmonk wrote: »

what addon gives you F1-8 for potions???

That is AUI (Advanced UI)

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Thanks for sharing these, @FENGRUSH! Would you be willing to submit one of them for the Battlemaster's Corner?

Yep I'd be happy to, let me know! I'd advise the Ali build if anything to people - its a good well rounded build to use in PVP and PVE. Tyson is truly specialized for the one purpose of putting out high DPS in PVE.

twistedmonk wrote: »

Honestly, this build is a 2-hander/dual wield stamina class - any class can run this build .

#1 Nightblade - fear/cloak best magic dumps for stamina build
#2 Sorc - see Fengrush build
#3 Dk/Templar - both are gimped because of no mobility

I dont entirely disagree - but their playstyle becomes very different. This is how stam has always been though in some way, and thats largely because magicka doesnt really use much from weapon lines outside of resto.

dodgehopper_ESO · October 2015

FENGRUSH wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

So basically it offers nothing unless you are in a mob of enemies so you can milk the aoe damage for everything it's worth, guess i'll be sticking with boundless then.

Exactly. It would be better if it loses any and all damage properties (because keep in mind, the magicka version is based off of elemental damage) that refer to its 'scaling with weapon damage' and just is equal in a sense that 1) it lasts the same duration as the magicka version 2) gives the same duration of speed. But in both cases, it comes up short, so if youre running around in PvP youll find yourself having to recast this every 3-4 seconds, essentially crushing your stamina in a bad way. Plus it lasts 15 seconds versus 23 seconds in total from an armor perspective.

This skill that was 'added for stam sorcs' was essentially as bad as I said itd be on the PTS - but nobody from balance has listened to my feedback on stam sorc anyway.

I feel like the stamina treatment of most class abilities are like this though. For whatever reason the magic morphs (for class skills) seem generally better on everything. Last weekend I was lucky enough to have time again to play, and I experimented with one of my sorcs with the stamina ability, and noticed the same problems you're speaking off. Great guide by the way Fengrush, I enjoyed it.

Jitterbug · October 2015

I have mad respect for you Fengrush, so this is isn't aimed at you but that's 4 weapon skills, a joker slot, and an ulti for a 20% passive. Stam sorcs are in such a bad place I'm almost giving up on mine (main since EA). I really want her to work, but I feel like if I don't act as a WB/ST robot I'm gimping myself. And those are two of the skills I hate the most in the game :P

I don't mean to derail your thread, I'm sorry. The videos are great, and so are you, I'm just so disheartened at the moment.

CP5 · October 2015

Jitterbug wrote: »

I have mad respect for you Fengrush, so this is isn't aimed at you but that's 4 weapon skills, a joker slot, and an ulti for a 20% passive. Stam sorcs are in such a bad place I'm almost giving up on mine (main since EA). I really want her to work, but I feel like if I don't act as a WB/ST robot I'm gimping myself. And those are two of the skills I hate the most in the game :P

I don't mean to derail your thread, I'm sorry. The videos are great, and so are you, I'm just so disheartened at the moment.

I'm still sticking to boundless storm (armor buff and move speed) crit surge (heals for staying aggressive) and my clannfear (because of my irrational love for the things drives me to not use the armor) as means to justify my class choice, despite not being able to reliably use a large number of my class skills.

Stikato · October 2015

It's true that any class can run most of these abilities.

But if you have played against Fengrush, you know that crazy mobility (+ wicked damage) is his trademark. And that's due to Streak, Boundless + player skill. I don't think I've ever seen anyone move that fast around the battlefield.

Jitterbug · October 2015

Stikato wrote: »

It's true that any class can run most of these abilities.

But if you have played against Fengrush, you know that crazy mobility (+ wicked damage) is his trademark. And that's due to Streak, Boundless + player skill. I don't think I've ever seen anyone move that fast around the battlefield.

I don't doubt Fengrush' skill-level, and I never will. I also don't doubt that he's able to get the most out of his sorc.
My comment is more to the fact that his bread and butter skill bar has 1 sorc skill and a passive.

a.skelton92 · October 2015

Why do people feel the need to have a live feed of themselves at the bottom of a video?

Knootewoot · October 2015

So sorc still OP

Most_Awesome · October 2015

a.skelton92 wrote: »

Why do people feel the need to have a live feed of themselves at the bottom of a video?

This was recorded from his Twitch stream, don't ask me why but people who live feed them selves get more viewers as the people watching actually have more of a connection with the person playing instead of just a voice

Minno · October 2015

Most_Awesome wrote: »

a.skelton92 wrote: »

Why do people feel the need to have a live feed of themselves at the bottom of a video?

This was recorded from his Twitch stream, don't ask me why but people who live feed them selves get more viewers as the people watching actually have more of a connection with the person playing instead of just a voice

It's so you can connect to the person on the other end at a friendship standpoint.
It's human nature.

Erock25 · October 2015

Jitterbug wrote: »

I have mad respect for you Fengrush, so this is isn't aimed at you but that's 4 weapon skills, a joker slot, and an ulti for a 20% passive. Stam sorcs are in such a bad place I'm almost giving up on mine (main since EA). I really want her to work, but I feel like if I don't act as a WB/ST robot I'm gimping myself. And those are two of the skills I hate the most in the game :P

I don't mean to derail your thread, I'm sorry. The videos are great, and so are you, I'm just so disheartened at the moment.

I'm definitely not a pro player or anything so maybe my opinion is wrong, but a lot of my issues with stam sorc would be solved if we could crit shields and blockers. Without shield breaker, I really don't have much of a chance against a good Sorc as my self healing gets wrecked. I also think we need a way to layer dmg so it comes out as burst. You know how magicka sorc does Curse, Endless Fury, Frags proc so that they all do dmg at once? Stam sorcs need some kind of mechanic like that. Stam DK and Stam NB use their ultimates to layer their burst dmg but Sorc has no ultimate that works that way and have to rely on Bats or Dawnbreaker.

FENGRUSH · October 2015

Knootewoot wrote: »

So sorc still OP

Anything can seem OP! Ive been playing stam sorc all through 1.6 when it was the *worst class* and having a fairly high amount of success though too.

Minno wrote: »

Most_Awesome wrote: »

a.skelton92 wrote: »

Why do people feel the need to have a live feed of themselves at the bottom of a video?

This was recorded from his Twitch stream, don't ask me why but people who live feed them selves get more viewers as the people watching actually have more of a connection with the person playing instead of just a voice

It's so you can connect to the person on the other end at a friendship standpoint.
It's human nature.

Yes! Twitch is more than just a person playing a game really - its about building a community with people. So that is why I 'feel the need' to have a 'live feed of myself' to connect with my peoples.

FENGRUSH · October 2015

Erock25 wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

I have mad respect for you Fengrush, so this is isn't aimed at you but that's 4 weapon skills, a joker slot, and an ulti for a 20% passive. Stam sorcs are in such a bad place I'm almost giving up on mine (main since EA). I really want her to work, but I feel like if I don't act as a WB/ST robot I'm gimping myself. And those are two of the skills I hate the most in the game :P

I don't mean to derail your thread, I'm sorry. The videos are great, and so are you, I'm just so disheartened at the moment.

I'm definitely not a pro player or anything so maybe my opinion is wrong, but a lot of my issues with stam sorc would be solved if we could crit shields and blockers. Without shield breaker, I really don't have much of a chance against a good Sorc as my self healing gets wrecked. I also think we need a way to layer dmg so it comes out as burst. You know how magicka sorc does Curse, Endless Fury, Frags proc so that they all do dmg at once? Stam sorcs need some kind of mechanic like that. Stam DK and Stam NB use their ultimates to layer their burst dmg but Sorc has no ultimate that works that way and have to rely on Bats or Dawnbreaker.

You are correct - that is why I use meteor to lay in heavy damage with Wblow as well.

Also agree on shields not allowing crits. This was a huge complaint of mine coming into patch. They should amp shield damage a bit if needed to counter this - but people should be able to crit shields. It literally negates peoples class/armor/skill setups, and its generally screwed up.

Minno · October 2015

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

I have mad respect for you Fengrush, so this is isn't aimed at you but that's 4 weapon skills, a joker slot, and an ulti for a 20% passive. Stam sorcs are in such a bad place I'm almost giving up on mine (main since EA). I really want her to work, but I feel like if I don't act as a WB/ST robot I'm gimping myself. And those are two of the skills I hate the most in the game :P

I don't mean to derail your thread, I'm sorry. The videos are great, and so are you, I'm just so disheartened at the moment.

I'm definitely not a pro player or anything so maybe my opinion is wrong, but a lot of my issues with stam sorc would be solved if we could crit shields and blockers. Without shield breaker, I really don't have much of a chance against a good Sorc as my self healing gets wrecked. I also think we need a way to layer dmg so it comes out as burst. You know how magicka sorc does Curse, Endless Fury, Frags proc so that they all do dmg at once? Stam sorcs need some kind of mechanic like that. Stam DK and Stam NB use their ultimates to layer their burst dmg but Sorc has no ultimate that works that way and have to rely on Bats or Dawnbreaker.

You are correct - that is why I use meteor to lay in heavy damage with Wblow as well.

Also agree on shields not allowing crits. This was a huge complaint of mine coming into patch. They should amp shield damage a bit if needed to counter this - but people should be able to crit shields. It literally negates peoples class/armor/skill setups, and its generally screwed up.

And on the flip side, shields should crit as well. Seems like a good balance tradeoff.

FENGRUSH · October 2015

Minno wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

I have mad respect for you Fengrush, so this is isn't aimed at you but that's 4 weapon skills, a joker slot, and an ulti for a 20% passive. Stam sorcs are in such a bad place I'm almost giving up on mine (main since EA). I really want her to work, but I feel like if I don't act as a WB/ST robot I'm gimping myself. And those are two of the skills I hate the most in the game :P

I don't mean to derail your thread, I'm sorry. The videos are great, and so are you, I'm just so disheartened at the moment.

I'm definitely not a pro player or anything so maybe my opinion is wrong, but a lot of my issues with stam sorc would be solved if we could crit shields and blockers. Without shield breaker, I really don't have much of a chance against a good Sorc as my self healing gets wrecked. I also think we need a way to layer dmg so it comes out as burst. You know how magicka sorc does Curse, Endless Fury, Frags proc so that they all do dmg at once? Stam sorcs need some kind of mechanic like that. Stam DK and Stam NB use their ultimates to layer their burst dmg but Sorc has no ultimate that works that way and have to rely on Bats or Dawnbreaker.

You are correct - that is why I use meteor to lay in heavy damage with Wblow as well.

Also agree on shields not allowing crits. This was a huge complaint of mine coming into patch. They should amp shield damage a bit if needed to counter this - but people should be able to crit shields. It literally negates peoples class/armor/skill setups, and its generally screwed up.

And on the flip side, shields should crit as well. Seems like a good balance tradeoff.

Id take that for sure - should just be some level of consistency. This is a big reason why shields were so damn killer last patch, but shield stacking is still a thing now. If the magicka sorc can manage his stam throughout the fight and can always CC break, well... its pretty tough. The reality is its very rare to run into well managed magicka sorcs.