Skills costing way more than tooltip

danno8 · October 2015

Just tested a couple skills as my magicka seemed to be tanking way faster than on live.

Puncturing Sweep:

Tooltip:1570
Actual:2125

Breath of Life:

Tooltip:2648
Actual:3510

Blazing Spear:

Tooltip:1769
Actual:2364

If anyone else can confirm that would be great.

Stalwart385 · October 2015

I have the same problem. Also skills are doing around half damage.

tinythinker · October 2015

danno8 wrote: »

Just tested a couple skills as my magicka seemed to be tanking way faster than on live.

Puncturing Sweep:

Tooltip:1570
Actual:2125

Breath of Life:

Tooltip:2648
Actual:3510

Blazing Spear:

Tooltip:1769
Actual:2364

If anyone else can confirm that would be great.

Thanks, I noticed from the first fight my Templar's magicka was going down really fast. Can't confirm with numbers tonight, but I know others have been mentioning something like this.

danno8 · October 2015

Stalwart385 wrote: »

I have the same problem. Also skills are doing around half damage.

Yah I got that too. Guess that's what we are here for. Hopefully they get it sorted.

Yattaq · October 2015

Is that only when battle leveled or is it happening everywhere?

ThePonzzz · October 2015

Yeah looks like it's pretty consistent at 32 - 35% more.

danno8 · October 2015

Yattaq wrote: »

Is that only when battle leveled or is it happening everywhere?

No battle levelling. I'm VR16 but switched it off anyway earlier in the day. Happens everywhere.

MisterBigglesworth · October 2015

Retreating Manuevers must be affected although I don't know the actual cost, I just know it has to be...
wait for it...
OVER 9,000!!! (sorry)

I have a Magicka build, so I only have 9,000 Stamina and it won't let me cast Retreating Manuevers at all (despite tooltip cost being around 7,000)

Mantic0r3 · October 2015

guess one of the spell cost reduction passives or glyph is bugged again, did u try all of them ?

danno8 · October 2015

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Retreating Manuevers must be affected although I don't know the actual cost, I just know it has to be...
wait for it...
OVER 9,000!!! (sorry)

I have a Magicka build, so I only have 9,000 Stamina and it won't let me cast Retreating Manuevers at all (despite tooltip cost being around 7,000)

hehe, and here I am staring at my magicka bar and writing down results like a sucker...

Yattaq · October 2015

Mantic0r3 wrote: »

guess one of the spell cost reduction passives or glyph is bugged again, did u try all of them ?

That's a good idea, it would be worth looking at the abilities and their costs while naked to see if it's a messed up stat.

danno8 · October 2015

Mantic0r3 wrote: »

guess one of the spell cost reduction passives or glyph is bugged again, did u try all of them ?

Well I am using two cost reduction glyphs, so that is 396. But my BoL is over 862 difference, so it must be more than just those.

It's late here so I won't be doing any more testing until tomorrow.

Teargrants · October 2015

Good to know that ZOS QA team is able to prevent bug as simple to test for as ability costs from making it past internal...oh wait.

Seriously, does the QA team test with no addons or something?

danno8 · October 2015

Teargrants wrote: »

Good to know that ZOS QA team is able to prevent bug as simple to test for as ability costs from making it past internal...oh wait.

Seriously, does the QA team test with no addons or something?

They don't want to break their immersion while testing...

Seriously though, if we did not have addons I don't think I would even bother with PTS.

Derra · October 2015

Honestly - I think this is intended.

Why are ppl still able to 1vX - resources are endless. Nerf that next. Maybe they won´t notice.

danno8 · October 2015

Derra wrote: »

Honestly - I think this is intended.

Why are ppl still able to 1vX - resources are endless. Nerf that next. Maybe they won´t notice.

You know what? I personally would not really care if they moved the goal posts for sustain. But they should really give a heads up if that is the case.

Besides, since the values on the tooltip don't match what is being used, my guess is a bug, not a global increase in spell cost.

Darlon · October 2015

Same here... burning through magicka extremely fast compared to live...

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert Can you check this ?

GTech_1 · October 2015

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Retreating Manuevers must be affected although I don't know the actual cost, I just know it has to be...
wait for it...
OVER 9,000!!! (sorry)

I have a Magicka build, so I only have 9,000 Stamina and it won't let me cast Retreating Manuevers at all (despite tooltip cost being around 7,000)

I noticed this as well. My magicka sorc has to use buff food in order to cast Retreating Maneuver even one time ...

danno8 · October 2015

GTech_1 wrote: »

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Retreating Manuevers must be affected although I don't know the actual cost, I just know it has to be...
wait for it...
OVER 9,000!!! (sorry)

I have a Magicka build, so I only have 9,000 Stamina and it won't let me cast Retreating Manuevers at all (despite tooltip cost being around 7,000)

I noticed this as well. My magicka sorc has to use buff food in order to cast Retreating Maneuver even one time ...

Thinking on this, it must be some kind of global problem and not a problem with reduction jewellery or passives. After all I would bet you have no stamina reduction glyphs or medium armour on your magicka sorc?

Dracane · October 2015

Reading the number difference, it seems like cost reduction glyphs aren't working ? Because they offer 600 reduction, which seems to be the cost difference.

GTech_1 · October 2015

danno8 wrote: »

GTech_1 wrote: »

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Retreating Manuevers must be affected although I don't know the actual cost, I just know it has to be...
wait for it...
OVER 9,000!!! (sorry)

I have a Magicka build, so I only have 9,000 Stamina and it won't let me cast Retreating Manuevers at all (despite tooltip cost being around 7,000)

I noticed this as well. My magicka sorc has to use buff food in order to cast Retreating Maneuver even one time ...

Thinking on this, it must be some kind of global problem and not a problem with reduction jewellery or passives. After all I would bet you have no stamina reduction glyphs or medium armour on your magicka sorc?

You are correct.
No medium armor, no Stam cost reduction glyphs on my jewelry.
My Sorc is a Magicka tank, with 5 heavy, 2 light.

I have block cost reduction glyphs, and the Stam ability cost reduction champion passive (Thief line) is at about 5.6%, or something like that. I also run the block cost reduction champion passive from the warrior line, at roughly 12%.

Other than the sorc passive, and block related cost reduction passives from both the 1H/shield and heavy armor lines, I do not have anything else that would reduce, or modify, stamina costs.

danno8 · October 2015

Ok did some more testing.

Went completely naked and refunded all my CP's.

BoL:
Tooltip: 3891
Actual : 5003

Puncturing Sweep:
Tooltip: 2502
Actual: 3217

So what this shows is still a very large discrepancy between tooltip and actual even with virtually no passives (I still had my Breton 3% reduction passive active).

So it is not armour passives or glyphs or CP's that are causing the increase (or lack of a decrease), it is something more internal in the calculations of cost for skills.

danno8 · October 2015

And just on a side note the tooltip vs actual on live is exactly correct every time.

ZOS_GinaBruno · October 2015

Thanks, everyone. We'll take a look on our end and see what's going on.

danno8 · October 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks, everyone. We'll take a look on our end and see what's going on.

Hooray!

tinythinker · October 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks, everyone. We'll take a look on our end and see what's going on.

Nice. That only leaves some glitched dialogue and a couple of bugged quests...

ThePonzzz · October 2015

danno8 wrote: »

Ok did some more testing.

Went completely naked and refunded all my CP's.

BoL:
Tooltip: 3891
Actual : 5003

Puncturing Sweep:
Tooltip: 2502
Actual: 3217

So what this shows is still a very large discrepancy between tooltip and actual even with virtually no passives (I still had my Breton 3% reduction passive active).

So it is not armour passives or glyphs or CP's that are causing the increase (or lack of a decrease), it is something more internal in the calculations of cost for skills.

So looks like it's something affecting it and not some blanket increase. Naked and no CPs it dropped to 28%.

Xjcon · October 2015

Are you running 1 piece of molag kena? I noticed that I was getting the proc off one piece last night.

Gilliamtherogue · October 2015

This isn't just happening in PTS, it's also happening in IC PvP enabled zones on live, and in Cyrodiil. It's seemingly linked to battle leveled or pvp enabled areas.

ADarklore · October 2015

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

This isn't just happening in PTS, it's also happening in IC PvP enabled zones on live, and in Cyrodiil. It's seemingly linked to battle leveled or pvp enabled areas.

In regards to the damage reduction issue, it was addressed here by Rich Lambert.

Gilliamtherogue · October 2015

ADarklore wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

This isn't just happening in PTS, it's also happening in IC PvP enabled zones on live, and in Cyrodiil. It's seemingly linked to battle leveled or pvp enabled areas.

In regards to the damage reduction issue, it was addressed here by Rich Lambert.

Referring to the cost increase of skills, I am aware of the damage issue that Rich discussed.