Are these Mammoths in Cyrodiil or Mammoths in the Rift?

Because the damage reduction in PvP applies to monsters/npcs as well.

That's why IC mobs are so tough.

I didn't even realize they did anything that could possibly affect PvE, except some minor ability changes.

Why are you getting less stamina regeneration in PvE? I thought the only stam nerf was to blocking.

I'm perplexed. I guess I have to go test out how badly I'm going to get screwed now. Hope this is a bug.

olemanwinter wrote: »

I didn't even realize they did anything that could possibly affect PvE, except some minor ability changes.

Why are you getting less stamina regeneration in PvE? I thought the only stam nerf was to blocking.

I'm perplexed. I guess I have to go test out how badly I'm going to get screwed now. Hope this is a bug.

werewolf only gives stamina regen if you have the ultimate on bar and nb stamina passive went from +30% regen to 15% regen .
as patch notes:
Refreshing Shadows (passive): Adjusted this ability from 15/30% Stamina recovery to 7/15% Stamina, Health and Magicka recovery.

btw think about suprise attack it is more dps and cheap now. Are you using one sharpened mace in your dual wield setup? they gave too much armor penetration and were bugged perhaps they fixed it. furthermore camuflage hunter was bugged and is now hopefully fixed too

There are some hidden changes on the PTS. The damage nerf in PVP doesn't apply to all skills, some people are finding they're still able to permablock, it's kind of a mess right now. I know for a fact that max spell damage traits on armour don't exceed 121 on the PTS. I think they moved maximum values to vr16, so you will most likely get closer to your live numbers when you get the gear at vr16.

Why is Surprise Attack more dps now?

PTS is laggy as ***, your gear sets are not optimized, you have less CP and Mobs have way more armor on PTS than they have on live and armor penetration might be fixed.

Yeah Surprise Attack has been superior for a long time, just on live its cost was prohibitive.
Regarding set gear and damage boosts, I think that nerf is because it was totally out of whack with everything else - max resource or 4% crit were not even in the same league as the damage boost. The nerf still leaves them behind but at least it is closer.

A lot of people have seen massive damage reductions and I am not sure a bit of extra resistance on mobs and a 250 damage reduction accounts for it.

I know in the patch notes they said they nerfed weapon and spell damage on set armor. I'm seeing that, and it's about 300 point difference.

I know my stamina regen is down due to werewolf nerf. but it feels like more than a 25% drop since I'm running out completely.

Also I'm using dual daggers. Forgot to mention that.

My entire set is
3pc Deugh King Slayer -> Chest/Legs/Necklass
4pc Hawks Eye -> 2 Rings, Gloves, Feet
3pc Ashen Grip -> Helm, Belt, Shoulders
2pc Nights Silence -> 2 daggers.

Most of those are weapon damage sets which were nerfed. So all weapon damage per set went from 177 to 121 (give or take, don't have the numbers available now)

Champion Points, Skills, Skill Bars, and everything else are set the same on both servers.


Something else I noticed. The tooltip on rapid strikes (DW skill) says, each consecutive hit does 2% more damage. If I understand that then instead of the hits doing say 1000,1000,1000,1000,1000,3000, they should be 1000, 1020, 1040, 1061, 1082, etc. But they all hit for the same.

Summary is, I'm seeing a 12% drop in weapon damage and an increase in stamina but a 50% drop in DPS. Almost feels like the Cyrodiil debuf is going on everywhere.

Did some tests with my Nightblade on PTS and found that my damage was nerfed a little, but since bow was buffed and a lot of my damage was dependent on the 5 piece Morag Tong bonus, the masters bow bonus, and the 5 piece Hawk's eye bonus I didn't see a huge DPS drop. In fact I think my sustained dps on bow will be higher. Need to run some dungeons to test...

What people will find is that if they stack a lot of weapon damage or spell damage bonuses they will be nerfed a lot, but if they use and synergize with a set bonus that is a straight % increase (e.g. the Morag Tong 15% increase to poison damage for 5 seconds) then the dps will be much less affected.

In other words I think the 5 piece bonus for Dreugh King Slayer, Hawks Eye, Morag Tong, etc will be worth a lot more since they were not decreased in the patch.

The stamina regen nerf on Nightblade werewolfs is real though. I now have to slot the werewolf ultimate, or become a vampire and slot a vampire skill to get the monster regen bonus. I will probably run drinks exclusively now and drop werewolf altogether. I am undecided on Vampire...

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

Are these Mammoths in Cyrodiil or Mammoths in the Rift?

Because the damage reduction in PvP applies to monsters/npcs as well.

That's why IC mobs are so tough.

@olemanwinter Plus the mobs have their Armor and Spell Resistances doubled from live.

Enchants/sets have had spell damage/weapon damage modifiers lowered as well. I suspect if OP looks at his raw WD/SD on the character sheet, it''s considerably lower than on live.

I have a feeling this is further aggravated by the 50% less damage received in PvP (intended for players, but likely carrying over to the NPC's with now doubled resistances...)

In my original post

Weapon Dmg 2365 2684

Weapon Damage on PTS is 2364 and on Live it is 2684. That's a 12% decrease, yet I'm seeing a 50% decrease in DPS overall.

My NB has not seen this kind of decrease outside of cyrodiil. In cyrodiil, sure, the extra nerf from battle spirit, the weapon damage reduction and fix to the bug with sharpened and maces is pretty big. But my standard test mobs in PvE land have the expected damage. I still get 10-11k crit rushes from max range on mage mobs. Lower than before, but not that much.

Did you apply skill points to weapon and armor passives? That would explain a lot, especially the cost increase

olemanwinter wrote: »

I didn't even realize they did anything that could possibly affect PvE, except some minor ability changes.

There's also the fact a lot of armor took some big nerfs -- Morag Tong, Shadow Walker, Martial Knowledge all took big hits and really reduced their worth. But that also reduced a player's ability to do damage. As I posted in another thread, my DPS took an 11% drop on one character. Not even factoring Cyrodiil's 50%, this was a big hit to my Templar.

Rescorla_ESO wrote: »

Slayer9292_ESO wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

Are these Mammoths in Cyrodiil or Mammoths in the Rift?

Because the damage reduction in PvP applies to monsters/npcs as well.

That's why IC mobs are so tough.

@olemanwinter Plus the mobs have their Armor and Spell Resistances doubled from live.

Enchants/sets have had spell damage/weapon damage modifiers lowered as well. I suspect if OP looks at his raw WD/SD on the character sheet, it''s considerably lower than on live.

I have a feeling this is further aggravated by the 50% less damage received in PvP (intended for players, but likely carrying over to the NPC's with now doubled resistances...)

In my original post

Weapon Dmg 2365 2684

Weapon Damage on PTS is 2364 and on Live it is 2684. That's a 12% decrease, yet I'm seeing a 50% decrease in DPS overall.

Are you using sharpened maces? I know some people are doing testing to see if th sharpened maces bug was fixed on PTS. Perhaps it has been and armor penetration is working correctly now resulting in a DPS decrease?

2 Daggers of Nights SIlence with Precision Trait (Weapon Crit)

Not only did they mess with the DPS but also I could swear they changed the "IN COMBAT REGEN".