Elude makes you DODGE THE HEALS from Momentum and it's morphs!

Teargrants · October 2014

So as I type this I'm watching my character dodge heals from Rally on the pts. GG zenimax, I thought dodging heals was a bug that had been fixed. Thanks for correcting me. $:\$

Satiar · October 2014

As a dedicated stamina NB, I would love for this to be fixed before it goes live. Who the hell do I tag for this?

Teargrants · October 2014

Just toss caltrops, tag everyone.

Hypertionb14_ESO · October 2014

it also makes you dodge the heals from Force Siphon and its morphs, and the heal from Entropy.

it has been like this since 1.3 but it seems my reports have gone completely unnoticed both on the forms and via /bug so i have given up on them EVER fixing it.

Satiar · October 2014

Any dev have something on this?

omy_mkeb17_ESO · October 2014

And also the heals from Funnel health...
Hello?

Satiar · October 2014

I don't think I've ever tagged an Admin before, but I really hope we can get some kind of answer on this. It's tricky playing as a melee stam Nightblade, and this would be kinda serious for the builds I run.

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌ I would appreciate anything on this, even just knowledge that you guys are aware and/or looking into it.

Thejollygreenone · October 2014

Yeah, I run a build where dodging is my main defense. I also plan to use momentum. And entropy.

Some looking into this would be nice

Satiar · October 2014

I am 100% aware no one but me cares about this, but I'm still eager for an answer. This is important to me. Any devs out there?

Teargrants · October 2014

Dee Tick in His infinite wisdom has chosen not to bring dev attention to this issue. We must not question the judgement of Dee Tick.

Satiar · October 2014

Dee Tick giveth, and Dee Tick taketh away (from those who push the resource). All bless his name.

BUT SERIOUSLY this is my pet issue now because my build is sacred. It must not be defiled....

Satiar · October 2014

I'm seeing dev comments in quite a few threads around here. Let's get some love for one of the NB's only defensive skills!

ZOS_GinaBruno · October 2014

Satiar wrote: »

I don't think I've ever tagged an Admin before, but I really hope we can get some kind of answer on this. It's tricky playing as a melee stam Nightblade, and this would be kinda serious for the builds I run.

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌ I would appreciate anything on this, even just knowledge that you guys are aware and/or looking into it.

You rang?

There's good news and bad news with this one. Good news is we are aware this is happening and are working on a fix. Bad news is the issue is fairly complex, and likely won't be fixed by time we release Update 5.

Satiar · October 2014

Hey Gina, thanks for the response.

I understand these issues are complex, all I needed to know is that someone is aware of it. it is frustrating, as both Momentum and Elude are currently mainstays of my build and would be cornerstones of it come 1.5. But thanks for dropping in, I will follow these skills and their subsequent fixes with great interest

timidobserver · October 2014

Is this just an issue with Elude and Momentum or are there other heals that Elude dodges?

aco5712 · October 2014

I would like to say that using hist bark will make you dodge quick siphon and sap essence heals which is kinda annoying for nightblade tanks. I believe any form of dodge makes you dodge these heals while miss chance doesn't effect it. This is from watching my add on say dodge sap will and quick siphon and never say miss sap will or quick siphon

demonlkojipub19_ESO · October 2014

Didn't this same thing happen with Elude + quick siphon or whatever that NB skill is. Did they ever fix that one?

Zheg · October 2014

Unfortunately, I'd recommend to players to avoid (pun!

) the dodge skills and mechanics (elude, blur, cinder storm, spectre's eye set). Some only work on melee attacks, some on magicka/ranged, some don't work on boss attacks/aoe, and apparently they dodge heals as well. All in all, these skills need a major revamp.

Hypertionb14_ESO · October 2014

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Didn't this same thing happen with Elude + quick siphon or whatever that NB skill is. Did they ever fix that one?

they havent... i reported that back on the PTS versions of 1.4 and they never even acknowledged it..

ozmorgudduth · November 2014

How can this be a complicated issue? The heal is flagged as damage, seems like easy thing to fix.

Satiar · November 2014

An update on this: if you block while Rally is active, you end up blocking the heals and it drains your stamina. This is... really unfortunate.

bosmern_ESO · November 2014

Its the same for Spectres eye. I was in trials and noticed my character side stepping, he was dodging my healers heals lol.

mousekime111rwb17_ESO · November 2014

Any word on if this fix will come out this coming Monday @ZOS_GinaBruno‌

Satiar · November 2014

One bright side to this is that I'm learning more situational blocking.

Downside is I can't really block. Or Dodge. Someone fix this skill! Dee Tick save us all, amen.

Satiar · November 2014

So ummm...

The patch said it fixed this, but nothing has changed. Still blocking heals, still dodging heals. What gives?

Mountain_Dewed · November 2014

How about changing the enemy skills that hit us for damage while cloaked/stealthed such as crushing shock to heals and all will be fair. This way when the enemy knows they are doing wrong by spamming a skill at us, it will heal us instead of keel us/break cloak and/or stealth...

I know this is more of a dodge but it may just happen to work out if they implement it?

hrothbern · July 2015

My siphoning NB tank still suffers from dodged heals ...

AND atm even the Magicka and Stamina recovery are not functioning with Hist Bark & all major Evasion abilities!!!
After the fight my Stamina and Magicka pool are not filled back again.

Below the answer of Gina Bruno that ït"will be fixed...

Is it the intention, dear devs, that it will never be fixed...
or is it fixed if you stop Stamina recovery during blocking ???

There's good news and bad news with this one. Good news is we are aware this is happening and are working on a fix. Bad news is the issue is fairly complex, and likely won't be fixed by time we release Update 5.
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xaade · July 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

I don't think I've ever tagged an Admin before, but I really hope we can get some kind of answer on this. It's tricky playing as a melee stam Nightblade, and this would be kinda serious for the builds I run.

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌ I would appreciate anything on this, even just knowledge that you guys are aware and/or looking into it.

You rang?

There's good news and bad news with this one. Good news is we are aware this is happening and are working on a fix. Bad news is the issue is fairly complex, and likely won't be fixed by time we release Update 5.

Dodge applied, DodgeCalc subscribed to DamageTopic, do not subscribe to HealTopic

Dodge applied, DodgeRoll(double damage) { If (damage is negative) return false) }

I can think of a million places where you can check if it's a heal.
I can think of one reason you can't. Dodge doesn't have access to all the information of the thing it's dodging.

F7sus4 · July 2015

This ability also prevents you from using Funnel Health fluently. You can find yourself endlessly dodging your own HoTs.

hrothbern · July 2015

Dear Gina Bruno,

Could you please tell what is intended with Major Evasion, Dodge, Hist Bark regarding siphoning heals.

Is the intention that they are dodged as well or not (and is it an unintended bug in a "fairly complex issue" ?

With the Stamina recovery disabled for blocking in the next patch, dodging does save Stamina block costs, and will be of more interest.

And for sure that the normal recovery (even out of combat) of Stamina and Magicka stops if you use any Major Evasion Dodge cannot be the intention... or is it ???

Ashtaris · July 2015

You mean to tell me that if I use something like Double Take from the NB skill line I could actually dodge a heal from the healer in a group dungeon, or even my own heals?