Where's the "Disagree - Dislike" button?!!

zhevon · October 2014

I actually use the LOL both ways; its up to the author the guess how it was meant. And others have clearly used it that way on my posts.

zhevon · October 2014

The problem with downvote or disagree buttons is they can be used irresponsibly with the potential consequence that it will shut of needed discourse. A small but tenacious minority can just always slam an author or an idea to oblivion and people will just stop posting.

I have noticed I myself that getting negative votes on reddit for a relatively innocuous comment; causes me to participate less. (On the rare occasions I make a nasty or overtly negative comment I don't mind getting downvotes - its kind of deserved; its the harmless ones that bother me)

Oolou · October 2014

I'm a little sad that the LOL button has been unofficially adopted by many to show disagreement. I didn't realise this until a few months ago and it hasn't affected me much as I just use the awesome button now when I would previously have used the LOL button, but eh ... *shrugs*

I wouldn't mind a disagree button. A discussion/debate will often have differing voices. Yes, there will be some who abuse this. Such is life.

Voodoo · October 2014

Oolou wrote: »

I'm a little sad that the LOL button has been unofficially adopted by many to show disagreement. I didn't realise this until a few months ago and it hasn't affected me much as I just use the awesome button now when I would previously have used the LOL button, but eh ... *shrugs*

I wouldn't mind a disagree button. A discussion/debate will often have differing voices. Yes, there will be some who abuse this. Such is life.

Ya this exactly plus disagree should not impact your forum standing ...in fact you should be equally rewarded with, like i said before, a forum badge called something like "Thick Hide" for being savvy enough to post an opinion that is not widely shared yet the contribution is what counts here not the fact that users disagreed or not.

Having LOL a bastardized disagree is sub par. And like you Oolou I dont use it for that but now the poster may interpret a lol vote as a negative.

Get rid of Agree and LOL and leave Insightful and Awesome then.

AlexDougherty · October 2014

Voodoo wrote: »

Oolou wrote: »

I'm a little sad that the LOL button has been unofficially adopted by many to show disagreement. I didn't realise this until a few months ago and it hasn't affected me much as I just use the awesome button now when I would previously have used the LOL button, but eh ... *shrugs*

I wouldn't mind a disagree button. A discussion/debate will often have differing voices. Yes, there will be some who abuse this. Such is life.

Ya this exactly plus disagree should not impact your forum standing ...in fact you should be equally rewarded with, like i said before, a forum badge called something like "Thick Hide" for being savvy enough to post an opinion that is not widely shared yet the contribution is what counts here not the fact that users disagreed or not.

Having LOL a bastardized disagree is sub par. And like you Oolou I dont use it for that but now the poster may interpret a lol vote as a negative.

Get rid of Agree and LOL and leave Insightful and Awesome then.

Disagree can only be abused, if you disagree with me then say why, most of us can take a little disagreement. But clicking on a button and not saying is just trolling

And if you say why you disagree and say why, then the button is pointless, because the post says you disagree.

As for Awesome, Insightful and Agree, you don't actually need to say why you agree with someone. The fact you agree means you have a similar viewpoint on that issue, explaining that is time-wasting, so it just gets shortened to "+1 I agree".

Vizier · October 2014

It was removed so as to protect the tendency toward emoism which seems so prominent these days.

@Armitas‌ Nobody owes you an explanation of their disagreement. You "want" an explanation. That you 'want' someone to explain their disagreement in order to accept disagreement is laughable. Good grief.

And then you have those that want to express their opinions without taking responsibility for the brown stinky stuff that is actually coming out of their mouths. The only way a person should be protected from their opinion is by keeping silent. You open your mouth, accept the feedback, positive or negative...shrug.

WraithAzraiel · October 2014

Never going to have one, they yell at people and remove their posts when they get "too mean."

I woke up to 2 notifications this morning, 1 was a message from a ZOS employee stating that my comments X and Y were too mean for the forums and that they were being removed.

2nd notifcation was about how I had reached 500 Awesomes.

ZOS_AmeliaR · October 2014

Hey, everyone. We appreciate your feedback regarding the existing reaction flags and what you might like to see added or removed. A couple months ago, we posted in a thread on this same topic to explain why we removed negative reaction flags like Dislike and Disagree.

As part of the forum overhaul we are working on (discussed in this thread), we are considering changes to the reaction flags and are certainly open to the feedback you all are providing. Of course, please make sure to keep your feedback constructive. Thank you!

Voodoo · October 2014

Thanks @_ZOS_AmeliaR I didnt realize such a huge debate had already started.

I will go over to that thread and voice my opinion over there. ...let this one die out.

yodased · October 2014

@WraithAzraiel‌ but you don't have 500 awesomes?

Armitas · October 2014

Vizier wrote: »

@Armitas‌ Nobody owes you an explanation of their disagreement. You "want" an explanation. That you 'want' someone to explain their disagreement in order to accept disagreement is laughable. Good grief.

@Vizier You raise a point I hadn't considered. While it would be a shame to receive 50 disagrees without any explanation, it would also be a shame if a portion of those 50 disagrees are simply due to people being unable to read what is written.

For example I never said that I was "owed" an explanation. Nor did I say that I "want someone to explain their disagreement in order to accept disagreement". Examples, like the one you give here, make me further glad there isn't a disagree button.

WraithAzraiel · October 2014

yodased wrote: »

@WraithAzraiel‌ but you don't have 500 awesomes?

Err 500 comments and 250 Awesomes, whatever I haven't had coffee yet

starkerealm · October 2014

Inversus wrote: »

It was removed due to abuse during the beta, we did have a disagree button.
If they made it so the disagree button wasn't tallied up on your profile, and didn't remove pts or anything, then I think a disagree button would be useful on posts.

The issue was there were cases where members would disagree every single post their target user made, but I don't see why this would be an issue if they made sure disagrees didn't affect the person they are targeted at since it would be useful as it was in the beta.

As it is, some members of the community have taken to using the LOL tag in the same way. I know I've racked up over 150 LOLs in the last 3 days because someone didn't like that I didn't endorse their terrible plan to punish anyone that plays in groups, and they were LOLing all my posts for days.

Armitas · October 2014

starkerealm wrote: »

Inversus wrote: »

It was removed due to abuse during the beta, we did have a disagree button.
If they made it so the disagree button wasn't tallied up on your profile, and didn't remove pts or anything, then I think a disagree button would be useful on posts.

The issue was there were cases where members would disagree every single post their target user made, but I don't see why this would be an issue if they made sure disagrees didn't affect the person they are targeted at since it would be useful as it was in the beta.

As it is, some members of the community have taken to using the LOL tag in the same way. I know I've racked up over 150 LOLs in the last 3 days because someone didn't like that I didn't endorse their terrible plan to punish anyone that plays in groups, and they were LOLing all my posts for days.

Once they give you enough lols for a badge, jokes on them. They just upped your points in the profile window.

Badge..............."LOLs" received
LOL1 (+5)...................5
LOL2 (+5)...................25
LOL3 (+10).................100
LOL4 (+25).................250
LOL5 (+50).................500

starkerealm · October 2014

Armitas wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Inversus wrote: »

It was removed due to abuse during the beta, we did have a disagree button.
If they made it so the disagree button wasn't tallied up on your profile, and didn't remove pts or anything, then I think a disagree button would be useful on posts.

The issue was there were cases where members would disagree every single post their target user made, but I don't see why this would be an issue if they made sure disagrees didn't affect the person they are targeted at since it would be useful as it was in the beta.

As it is, some members of the community have taken to using the LOL tag in the same way. I know I've racked up over 150 LOLs in the last 3 days because someone didn't like that I didn't endorse their terrible plan to punish anyone that plays in groups, and they were LOLing all my posts for days.

Once they give you enough lols for a badge, jokes on them. They just upped your points in the profile window.

Badge..............."LOLs" received
LOL1 (+5)...................5
LOL2 (+5)...................25
LOL3 (+10).................100
LOL4 (+25).................250
LOL5 (+50).................500

Yep. If they keep doing this, I'll hit 500 by the end of the week.

I'm not sure if there's a LOL6 (1k), though it is possible.

ExiledKhallisi · October 2014

Disagree button is needed. The "LOL" button can be taken both ways as either approval or mockery. Its neither good or bad and you cant distinguish it. A "Disagree" button would give posters insight on whether or not they have the approval of the general public here on the forums or not.

LOL: You thought something was funny, you laughed out loud.

Disagree: You dont agree what was said.

Dislike: You dont approve of what was said. Or are just butthurt in denial about what was said.

Voodoo · October 2014

Badge..............."LOLs" received
LOL1 (+5)...................5
LOL2 (+5)...................25
LOL3 (+10).................100
LOL4 (+25).................250
LOL5 (+50).................500

Perfect now change that lame LOL into "I Object" (or sumn), call the badge 'Thick Skinned" and give them points for having a opinion!

nerevarine1138 · October 2014

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

Disagree button is needed. The "LOL" button can be taken both ways as either approval or mockery. Its neither good or bad and you cant distinguish it. A "Disagree" button would give posters insight on whether or not they have the approval of the general public here on the forums or not.

LOL: You thought something was funny, you laughed out loud.

Disagree: You dont agree what was said.

Dislike: You dont approve of what was said. Or are just butthurt in denial about what was said.

Do you disagree? Then post something explaining your disagreement. No button needed.

GreySix · October 2014

I disagree with the OP.

demonlkojipub19_ESO · October 2014

Disagree/dislike buttons are for social rejects that want to avoid voicing their reasons for disagreeing. They just wanna disagree button and run away. That doesn't help or add to the discussion. They just end up being troll bait. Just leave that to the LoL button.

Voodoo · October 2014

GreySix wrote: »

I disagree with the OP.

now wouldnt you just rather have a flag to press instead adding a lame sentence?

Razzak · October 2014

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

Disagree button is needed. The "LOL" button can be taken both ways as either approval or mockery. Its neither good or bad and you cant distinguish it. A "Disagree" button would give posters insight on whether or not they have the approval of the general public here on the forums or not.

LOL: You thought something was funny, you laughed out loud.

Disagree: You dont agree what was said.

Dislike: You dont approve of what was said. Or are just butthurt in denial about what was said.

My thoughts exactly. Lol button is already being used for trolling by certain players, but it is also being used for positive feedback by others, so it's really the wrong button. Disagree would have more clear function and it would maybe prevent some posts like this:

GreySix wrote: »

I disagree with the OP.

Slightly off topic: Why are so many of you so concerned by your forum standings?

starkerealm · October 2014

Razzak wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

I disagree with the OP.

Slightly off topic: Why are so many of you so concerned by your forum standings?

Because the "lol" tag works as a kind of "point and laugh" drive by trolling?

I mean, do you honestly like the idea of being laughed at by random strangers when you're sharing your thoughts?

Potenza · October 2014

Sure have a disagree, dislike or whatever button but do not let those points accumulate or show on your profile - only let it show within specific thread. This way it only means something in that particular thread but not on your profile as a whole.

starkerealm · October 2014

j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »

Sure have a disagree, dislike or whatever button but do not let those points accumulate or show on your profile - only let it show within specific thread. This way it only means something in that particular thread but not on your profile as a whole.

It wouldn't help, you'd get people that would stalk your profile disliking or disapproving of every post you made. Sort like the sad, lonely puppy that was LOLing all of my posts back on Monday or Tuesday.

Voodoo · October 2014

It doesn't matter! The simple fact that you posted something should go towards having points. If people disagree with your post then GREAT you helped create communication, participation and opinion. Nothing wrong with that, and you should get points for disagrees/dislikes/disproves all the same!

TequilaFire · October 2014

All I know as an admin on several FPS based fan site forums, I have never seen a problem with a disagree button. And FPS shooter forums are much worse than this forum.
After all in a democracy how can you have an "agree" without a "disagree"
vote?

AlexDougherty · October 2014

TequilaFire wrote: »

All I know as an admin on several FPS based fan site forums, I have never seen a problem with a disagree button. And FPS shooter forums are much worse than this forum.
After all in a democracy how can you have an "agree" without a "disagree"
vote?

It was removed because it was being abused.

That's a fact, not an opinion.

And how exactly does a system of voting people into office have anything at all to do with a disagree button?

nerevarine1138 · October 2014

TequilaFire wrote: »

All I know as an admin on several FPS based fan site forums, I have never seen a problem with a disagree button. And FPS shooter forums are much worse than this forum.
After all in a democracy how can you have an "agree" without a "disagree"
vote?

1. This forum isn't a democracy.
2. You can have an Agree option without adding the unnecessary troll-bait of a Disagree option. For evidence: see this forum. Which is not a democracy.
3. Why do people have such a hard time grasping that they don't deserve to have their disagreement heard if they can't provide an argument? If you disagree with someone, you need to state a reason. I'm not saying that it's "owed" to anyone. I'm not saying that you'll get in trouble if you don't. I, as a rational human being, am pointing out that refusing to explain your position on a discussion forum is utterly pointless.

Disagree buttons are for lazy little trolls who don't have the brains or inclination to actually make a stab at an argument. They can play the game all they like, but they don't belong on a discussion forum.

AlexDougherty · October 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

All I know as an admin on several FPS based fan site forums, I have never seen a problem with a disagree button. And FPS shooter forums are much worse than this forum.
After all in a democracy how can you have an "agree" without a "disagree"
vote?

1. This forum isn't a democracy.
2. You can have an Agree option without adding the unnecessary troll-bait of a Disagree option. For evidence: see this forum. Which is not a democracy.
3. Why do people have such a hard time grasping that they don't deserve to have their disagreement heard if they can't provide an argument? If you disagree with someone, you need to state a reason. I'm not saying that it's "owed" to anyone. I'm not saying that you'll get in trouble if you don't. I, as a rational human being, am pointing out that refusing to explain your position on a discussion forum is utterly pointless.

Disagree buttons are for lazy little trolls who don't have the brains or inclination to actually make a stab at an argument. They can play the game all they like, but they don't belong on a discussion forum.

Couldn't agree more, especially with point 3, it's basic.