I despise healers.

Elyna · August 2014

I dont understand why healer classes are such a staple in games. They ruin PvP, and encourage developers to make lame boss mechanics.

PvP
I have yet to see a 1v1 fight that didnt revolve around "who can spam the most heals." Healing in PvP is less about who can outwit or outplay the other, but who has the biggest mana pool for healing and shields. Massive sheilds and heals effectively remove any sort of meaningful fights. Numerous times would I see people get the jump on someone, only to have the victim heal himself to full with a massive sheild and begin spamming AOE attacks winning the entire fight because he had more mana to spam heals. Is this what we call good design? Healers also discourage going in and going crazy. All fights are just 2 zergs pecking at each other until the other side rolls over because they ran out of mana for heals. I dont see people going in deep. This is because if they ever did go in, the entire damage would just get healed up in seconds and their death will be a waste.

Bosses and dungeons.
I played my first Trial. The trial of the Mage, to be exact. It was fun, until we got to the first major boss. The whole fight was just use spamming left click and healing. This was a MASSIVE let down and incredibly boring. Why is this even in the game? Healers. It would seem that the developers wanted to make the boss incredibly lame by giving him aoe as an attempt to make healers more valuable or something. This in my opinion, is bad game design. You shouldnt make a boss damage you for the sake of damaging you for artificial difficulty, it should damage you through mechanics you were couldnt dodge or block in time.

IB4: Learn to play, can i have your stuff, ect.

seanolan · August 2014

OK. Nobody heal Elyna. Ever.

There. Problem solved.

mips_winnt · August 2014

Elyna wrote: »

I despise healers.

After you're dead can I loot your corpse?

P.S. I LOVE Healers, you're the best thing ever invented ..

Xehmnus_Rayne · August 2014

Don't be hatin on the healers yo!

Elyna · August 2014

Xehmnus_Rayne wrote: »

Don't be hatin on the healers yo!

Not my fault theyre a fundamentally flawed class that ruin everything they touch.

Ser Lobo · August 2014

I figured this was a WWII parady post.

"If those damned medics didn't keep fixing people up and sending them back out the fight, <insert army here> would've won!"

After reading the post, my response is now: don't fight health-shield templars, don't try and solo a dragonsblood dragonknight, and try and bring friends to multiplayer games, because it can't always be about doing damage.

Irony is, I'm having this exact same argument on the Battlefield 4 forums. "I hate medics." I'm a health-bag gun toting shock paddles medic. Kill you while rezzing the five guys you just solo'd, and getting away with 100% life while we're at it.

Funny, in FPS's I always end up the combat medic, but I can't stand being a healer in an MMO. I think it's because of the mentality of so many MMO healers, or maybe the assumptions about MMO healers. Don't know. It just doesn't fit me.

seanolan · August 2014

Gosh, Elyna, what doesn't ruin everything for you? Today's just a QQfest for you, innit?

dharbert · August 2014

PvP players whine about healing abilities and healers because they think they should be able to slaughter anyone they encounter in 2.3 seconds. Sorry, but that's not how it is.

No MMO ever has not had some type of healing abilities or a healing class. None.

Elyna · August 2014

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

I figured this was a WWII parady post.

"If those damned medics didn't keep fixing people up and sending them back out the fight, <insert army here> would've won!"

After reading the post, my response is now: don't fight health-shield templars, don't try and solo a dragonsblood dragonknight, and try and bring friends to multiplayer games, because it can't always be about doing damage.

Irony is, I'm having this exact same argument on the Battlefield 4 forums. "I hate medics." I'm a health-bag gun toting shock paddles medic. Kill you while rezzing the five guys you just solo'd, and getting away with 100% life while we're at it.

Funny, in FPS's I always end up the combat medic, but I can't stand being a healer in an MMO. I think it's because of the mentality of so many MMO healers, or maybe the assumptions about MMO healers. Don't know. It just doesn't fit me.

Was unaware IRL medics can heal someone from seeing the light to a healthy newborn baby while in the middle of being shot.

Elyna · August 2014

seanolan wrote: »

Gosh, Elyna, what doesn't ruin everything for you? Today's just a QQfest for you, innit?

Meh. Its just so annoying to see someone 1v5 people and win because he just spammed heals.

Stx · August 2014

There is nothing wrong with healers. What ticks me off is when healers can also dps, essentially making them twice as useful as a dps character.

I feel that in ESO, if you don't have a resto staff on swap, you are at a giant disadvantage.

seanolan · August 2014

Instead of spamming surges or swarms? I mean,of all the things to whinge about....healing?

Elyna · August 2014

seanolan wrote: »

Instead of spamming surges or swarms? I mean,of all the things to whinge about....healing?

Since everyone and their grandma uses the heal swarm I figured they were one in the same.

DuelWieldingCheesyPoofs · August 2014

Sounds like your bitter about a pvp fight lol so just use abilities that reduce healing taken to target, that way you nuke them and they have to use all the mana to heal then are oom in no time, snipe morph reduces healing my 60% combine that with mark, they cant out heal this.

all classes have reduced healing spells.

dharbert · August 2014

Spamming abilities in order to HEAL massive amounts of damage is just as valid a tactic as spamming abilities in order to CAUSE massive amounts of damage. L2P.

Elyna · August 2014

inspiral1 wrote: »

Sounds like your bitter about a pvp fight lol so just use abilities that reduce healing taken to target, that way you nuke them and they have to use all the mana to heal then are oom in no time, snipe morph reduces healing my 60% combine that with mark, they cant out heal this.

all classes have reduced healing spells.

They barely seem to make an impact on reducing healing. Seeing how you can spam the heal, heal reduction becomes a little useless. And this isnt just one fight, its every single fight I've seen.

Elyna · August 2014

dharbert wrote: »

Spamming abilities in order to HEAL massive amounts of damage is just as valid a tactic as spamming abilities in order to CAUSE massive amounts of damage. L2P.

Called it. Do you people have a quota to meet or something?

DuelWieldingCheesyPoofs · August 2014

Works when i do it.

Surfinginhawaii · August 2014

mips_winnt wrote: »

Elyna wrote: »

I despise healers.

P.S. I LOVE Healers, you're the best thing ever invented ..

I agree, healers are my best friends

Spottswoode · August 2014

Your complaints don't make a whole lot of sense. Healers have been in RPG's since DND 1st Edition. Healers have literally been a staple of RPG gameplay since the beginning. Your complaint that healers ruin pvp suggests you enjoy the COD type of pvp, which no MMORPG player wants to remotely engage in. Your complaint about healer ruining PVE with healer designed boss mechanics makes even less sense, since that has always been the way that boss fights were designed in every single RPG. Every single RPG was literally specifically designed with healers or the ability to heal in mind. Sounds to me like you have a problem with RPG mechanics.

Circuitous · August 2014

Actually now that you've said it I want exactly that. Can I have that? Point me to that game.

Spottswoode wrote: »

Your complaint that healers ruin pvp suggests you enjoy the COD type of pvp, which no MMORPG player wants to remotely engage in.

Strongly disagree! I definitely think there's a market for MMO PVP with a visceral, all-or-nothing feel without self-healing. Where two characters can duke it out at length and not patch themselves back up to full in an instant.

I do think self-heal is a little too strong in ESO, and I see where the OP's coming from in suggesting that strong area and multi-target can cheapen some encounters. My go-to method for beating Maw of the Infernal in Vet BC is to have the tank drag it to a corner and just stand in the fire, with the DPS out at range, because I can outheal the AOEs even when stacked.

I don't think healers need to go away, though. I love playing a healer. But when they're super strong it can make things boring, and if they're even kinda weak it becomes frustrating.

Spottswoode · August 2014

Circuitous wrote: »

Strongly disagree! I definitely think there's a market for MMO PVP with a visceral, all-or-nothing feel without self-healing. Where two characters can duke it out at length and not patch themselves back up to full in an instant.

Yeah, we call those fighting games. What you want is Soul Calibur Online. If you can't heal, it's not an RPG. It's an RPG lite.

JoffyToffy69 · August 2014

Elyna wrote: »

I dont understand why healer classes are such a staple in games. They ruin PvP, and encourage developers to make lame boss mechanics.

PvP
I have yet to see a 1v1 fight that didnt revolve around "who can spam the most heals." Healing in PvP is less about who can outwit or outplay the other, but who has the biggest mana pool for healing and shields. Massive sheilds and heals effectively remove any sort of meaningful fights. Numerous times would I see people get the jump on someone, only to have the victim heal himself to full with a massive sheild and begin spamming AOE attacks winning the entire fight because he had more mana to spam heals. Is this what we call good design?.

Sounds like you're pathetic at pvp.
If you can't deal out enough damage to drop a player, you must be terrible.
And if you surprise attack someone and you can't drop them either, maybe change your tactics. They may have been higher level etc.
Maybe you should use more stuns, knock backs and other cc.
Clearly you are a terrible player, or just a sore loser.

If you did surprise attack a healer, they can easily be dropped if you do enough dps, which I doubt you do

Circuitous · August 2014

Spottswoode wrote: »

Circuitous wrote: »

Strongly disagree! I definitely think there's a market for MMO PVP with a visceral, all-or-nothing feel without self-healing. Where two characters can duke it out at length and not patch themselves back up to full in an instant.

Yeah, we call those fighting games. What you want is Soul Calibur Online. If you can't heal, it's not an RPG. It's an RPG lite.

I actually already play fighting games. Did you know some characters can heal in fighting games? It's true!

A low-magic setting MMO would be awesome and wouldn't have much in the way of healing. You can go ahead and dismiss my opinion if that makes you feel better, but it's a thing that can exist and might actually be awesome.

Spottswoode · August 2014

Circuitous wrote: »

I actually already play fighting games. Did you know some characters can heal in fighting games? It's true!

Yes, there are also shooters that have healers. Not the point.

wrote:

A low-magic setting MMO would be awesome and wouldn't have much in the way of healing. You can go ahead and dismiss my opinion if that makes you feel better, but it's a thing that can exist and might actually be awesome.

Low magic does not remove healers. No magic does not remove healers. Such things do exist, they are indeed awesome. But if you remove healing mechanics, you are not playing an RPG. If you only have weak item based healing mechanics, (pickups only, for example) you are most likely not playing an RPG. One shot or die games are quite common in many RPG circles.

mips_winnt · August 2014

Elyna wrote: »

Not my fault theyre a fundamentally flawed class that ruin everything they touch.

Anyone that singles out HEALERS for criticism in MMO's is publicly demonstrating the most fundamentally flawed thinking imaginable, now if you're proud to be a *** more power to ya but on the other if you want to go figure out reality, go play a dedicated healer come back after that and we'll talk.

P.S. "Healer" isn't a class it's a role and a hard and often thankless one at that.

Circuitous · August 2014

Spottswoode wrote: »

Low magic does not remove healers. No magic does not remove healers. Such things do exist, they are indeed awesome. But if you remove healing mechanics, you are not playing an RPG. If you only have weak item based healing mechanics, (pickups only, for example) you are most likely not playing an RPG. One shot or die games are quite common in many RPG circles.

These quotes are getting messy.

Yes, low- and even no-magic settings can have healers. That doesn't mean they absolutely need to have healers. I think it could be a very interesting change of pace.

Elyna · August 2014

JoffyToffy69 wrote: »

Elyna wrote: »

I dont understand why healer classes are such a staple in games. They ruin PvP, and encourage developers to make lame boss mechanics.

PvP
I have yet to see a 1v1 fight that didnt revolve around "who can spam the most heals." Healing in PvP is less about who can outwit or outplay the other, but who has the biggest mana pool for healing and shields. Massive sheilds and heals effectively remove any sort of meaningful fights. Numerous times would I see people get the jump on someone, only to have the victim heal himself to full with a massive sheild and begin spamming AOE attacks winning the entire fight because he had more mana to spam heals. Is this what we call good design?.

Sounds like you're pathetic at pvp.
If you can't deal out enough damage to drop a player, you must be terrible.
And if you surprise attack someone and you can't drop them either, maybe change your tactics. They may have been higher level etc.
Maybe you should use more stuns, knock backs and other cc.
Clearly you are a terrible player, or just a sore loser.

If you did surprise attack a healer, they can easily be dropped if you do enough dps, which I doubt you do

Than please explain to me what I was supposed to do when they instantly CC break my stun and heal themselves to full with a 75% hp shield?

mips_winnt · August 2014

Elyna wrote: »

Than please explain to me what I was supposed to do when they instantly CC break my stun and heal themselves to full with a 75% hp shield?

In the words of the late Freddy Mercury ...
" Insanity laughs under pressure we're cracking
Can't we give ourselves one more chance?"

In other words GET THE F' OVER IT and try to have some fun, bitchin' about it doesn't do you or anybody else any good.. so you got stomped by a healer In PvP.. it happens.

It's a GAME after all, quit crying.

Xehmnus_Rayne · August 2014

If you despise healers so much... then don't play one, don't group with any, and don't PvP. It isn't like the game is going to suddenly get rid of healers for you. As mips_winnt said, GET THE F' OVER IT! ...or get out...

Seriously... whining about healers? Really?!

The_Sadist · August 2014

This is a first.

Thanks OP, you made my day.