Need Help w/ Skill Lists & Crit

Sord

Here is a list of all the classes and weapon powers in the game at current (1.4) and what I think (key word think) is their CRIT type, this is not damage, it is CRIT. As crit seems to be the main fluxuator in the formula's out there.

I am hoping that the community at large can give feed back based on personal experience with this, that way we, as a whole, can know based on experience when we are building our toons where and how we should be focusing our crit.

From my understanding damage is as such: Magica abilities = spell damage, Stamina abilities = weapon damage. However crit varies on ability. Thanks for the help and if you have changes please list each ability and the type of crit you think it does and why, separately I will change them here in the OP. Thanks again.

**** spell and weapon next to ability represent CRIT only, not damage****

Dragonknight
Ardent Flame Damage Type = Spell
Dragonknight Standard: spell crit
Fiery Grip: spell crit
Searing Strike: weapon (dot: spell) crit
Fiery Breath: Spell crit
Lava Whip: weapon crit
Inferno: spell crit

Draconic Power Damage Type = Spell
DragonLeap: Weapon crit
Spiked Armor: na/ Morph Volatile Armor: Spell crit
Dark Talons: spell crit
Dragon Blood: na
Reflective Scale: na
Inhale: spell crit

Earthen Heart Crit Type Damage Type = Spell
Magma Armor: spell crit
Stonefist: spell crit
Molten Weapons: na
Obsidean Shield: NA/Morph Fragmented Shield: spell crit
Petrify: spell crit
Ash Cloud:NA/ Morph Cinder Storm: spell crit

NightBlade
Assassination Damage Type = Spell
Death Stroke: weapon crit
Assassin's Blade: weapon crit
Teleport Strike: weapon crit
Blur: na
Mark Target: na
Haste: na

Shadow Damage Type = Spell
Consuming Darkness: NA/Morph Veil of Blades: spell crit
Shadow Cloak: na
Veiled Strike: weapon crit
Path of Darkness: spell crit
Aspect of Terror: na
Summon Shade: na

Siphoning Damage Type = Spell
Soul Shred: spell crit
Strife: spell crit
Agony: spell crit
Cripple: spell crit
Siphoning Strike: na
Drain Power: Spell crit

Sorcerer
Daedric Summoning Damage Type = Spell
Summon Storm Atronach: spell crit
Unstable Familiar: NA
Daedric Curse: spell crit
Summon Winged Twilight: NA
Bound Armor: na
Conjured Ward: na

Dark Magic Damage Type = Spell
Negate Magic: na
Crystal Shard: spell crit
Encase: NA/Morph Shattering Prison: Spell crit
Rune prison: na
Dark Exchange: na
Daedric Mines: spell crit

Storm Calling Damage Type = Spell
Overload: spell crit
Mages Fury: spell crit
Lightning Form: spell crit
Lightning Splash: spell crit
Surge: na
Bolt Escape: NA/Morph Sreak: spell crit

Templar
Aedric Spear Damage Type = Spell
Radial Sweep: weapon crit
Puncturing Strikes: weapon crit
Piercing Javelin: Spell crit
Focused Charge: Weapon crit
Spear Shards: spell crit
Sun Shield: spell crit

Passive Abilities
Burning Light: Spell crit

Dawn's Wrath Damage Type = Spell
Nova: spell crit
Sun Fire: spell crit
Solar Flare: spell crit
Backlash: spell crit
Eclipse: NA/Morph Unstable Core: spell crit
Blinding Light: na/Morph Searing Light: Spell crit

Restoring Light Damage Type = Spell
Rite of Passage: spell crit
Rushed Ceremony: spell crit
Healing Ritual : spell crit
Restoring Aura: na
Cleansing Ritual: spell crit
Rune Focus: Spell crit

2 handed, 1Hand and Shield, Duel Wield, Bow: Damage Type = Weapon
Exceptions:

Dual Wielding
Sparks: na/Morph Ember Explosion: Weapon critDamage Type = Weapon

Bow
Volley: Weapon/Morph Scorched Earth: Weapon crit, DoT: Spell crit Damage Type = Weapon
Snipe: Weapon/Morph Lethal Arrow: Weapon crit, DoT: Spell crit Damage Type = Weapon

Destruction Staff, Restoration Staff: spell crit Damage Type = Weapon

Fighters Guild:
Dawnbreaker: Weapon crit
Silver Bolts: Weapon crit
Circle of Protection: / (Morph Turn Undead: S)
Expert Hunter: Spell crit
Trap Beast: Spell crit

Mages Guild spell crit (only where a damage output is concerned)
Undaunted spell crit (only where a damage output is concerned)
Soul Magic spell crit (only where a damage output is concerned)
Lycanthropy
Pounce: Weapon crit
Hircine's Bounty: Spell crit
Roar: NA
Piercing Howl: Weapon crit
Infectious Claw: Weapon crit (Morph Claws of Life: Weapon crit, HoT: Spell crit)

Vampirism spell crit

****Special Thanks to @Qhival‌****

aco5712

NBs death stroke crits off wep and tether crits off spell

Sord

aco5712 wrote: »

NBs death stroke crits off wep and tether crits off spell

Thanks updated.

Valymer

The Streak morph of Bolt Escape can crit, I'm assuming spell crit but haven't actually tested it

Garkin

Are there any exceptions to the rule that abilites which uses magicka crits of spell and abilities which uses stamina crits of weapon? And is there any general rule which determines which crtit is used for ultimate abilities?

Gilvoth

how can we defend and protect ourselves from elemental criticals and elemental damage done to us from sorcerers?

guybrushtb16_ESO

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

how can we defend and protect ourselves from elemental criticals and elemental damage done to us from sorcerers?

The same way we protect ourselves from other crits, wear impenetrable and forget about them.

Sord

Valymer wrote: »

The Streak morph of Bolt Escape can crit, I'm assuming spell crit but haven't actually tested it

updated with spell thanks

Sord

Anyone else got any additional info that would be helpful. Thanks

Jacques Berge

Shades can not crit, evil hunter in the fighters guild line uses spell crit, not weapon.

Sord

Jacques Berge wrote: »

Shades can not crit, evil hunter in the fighters guild line uses spell crit, not weapon.

Updated and thanks

Sord

Getting a lot of views but not so much input, anyone else know from experience what powers are based off of which crit? Any help with this would be great. There is a possible addon that might be based off this information and this would be good for GP sake since Zeni/ESO won't tell us so it is up to use to get this info ourselves. Thanks for any additional help.

Aeratus

Just to be clear, the properties for Expert Hunter are:

1. Damage scales off stamina
2. Damage scales off spell damage
3. Crit is spell crit
4. Effect is resisted by spell resistance

Is the above correct?

What about flawless dawnbreaker?

Sord

At this point I am going to download the PTS and start testing this stuff out tonight and try and clarify some of this.

Qhival

Here's the answer, guys. It's pretty confusing.
melee abilities & melee/missile weapons use weapon crit, even if they cost magicka.
ranged abilities & staves use spell crit, even if they cost stamina.
class skills use spell power
weapon skills use weapon power
If an ability costs magicka, it also scales off magicka.
If an ability costs Stamina, it also scales off Stamina.

There are a few exceptions to these rules, but not many. One can argue how this should really all be to make sense, but at the end of the day... zenimax just needs to put this information in the damn tooltips. If they do that, their reasoning doesnt need to be intuitive.

Dragonknight

Ardent Flame

Dragon Knight Standard: S
Fiery Grip: S
Searing Strike: W (DoT: S)
Fiery Breath: S
Lava Whip: W
Inferno: S

Draconic Power

Dragon Leap: W
Spiked Armor: / (Morph Volatile Armor: S)
Dark Talons: S
Dragon Blood: /
Reflective Scale: /
Inhale: S

Earthen Heart

Magma Armor: S
Stonefist: S
Molten Weapons: /
Obsidian Shield: / (Morph Fragmented Shield: S)
Petrify: S
Ash Cloud: / (Morph Cinder Storm: S)


Nightblade

Assassination

Death Stroke: W
Assassin's Blade: W
Teleport Strike: W
Blur: /
Mark Target: /
Haste: /

Shadow

Consuming Darkness: / (Morph Veil of Blades: S)
Shadow Cloak: /
Veiled Strike: W
Path of Darkness: S
Aspect of Terror: /
Summon Shade: /

Siphoning

Soul Shred: W
Strife: S
Agony: S
Cripple: S
Siphoning Strikes: /
Drain Power: S


Sorcerer

Daedric Summoning

Summon Storm Atronach: S
Unstable Familiar: /
Daedric Curse: S
Summon Winged Twilight: /
Bound Armor: /
Conjured Ward: /

Dark Magic

Negate Magic: /
Crystal Shard: S
Encase: / (Morph Shattering Prison: S)
Rune Prison: /
Dark Exchange: /
Daedric Mines: S

Strom Calling

Overload: S
Mage's Fury: S
Lightning Form: S
Lightning Splash: S
Surge: /
Bolt Escape: / (Morph Streak: S)


Templar

Aedric Spear

Radial Sweep: W
Puncturing Strikes: W
Piercing Javelin: S
Focused Charge: W
Spear Shards: S
Sun Shield: S

Passive Abilities
Burning Light: S

Dawn's Wrath

Nova: S
Sun Fire: S
Solar Flare: S
Backlash: S
Eclipse: / (Morph Unstable Core: S)
Blinding Light: / (Morph Searing Light: S)

Restoring Light

Rite of Passage: S
Rushed Ceremony: S
Healing Ritual: S
Restoring Aura: /
Cleansing Ritual: S
Rune Focus: S

Two Handed

Cleave: W
Critical Charge: W
Uppercut: W
Reverse Slash: W
Momentum: W


One Hand and Shield

Puncture: W
Low Slash: W
Defensive Posture: /
Shield Charge: W
Power Bash: W


Dual Wield

Twin Slashes: W
Flurry: W
Whirlwind: W
Sparks: / (Morph Ember Explosion: W)
Hidden Blade: W


Bow

Poison Arrow: W
Volley: W (Morph Scorched Earth: W, DoT: S)
Scatter Shot: W
Arrow Spray: W
Snipe: W (Morph Lethal Arrow: W, DoT: S)


Destruction Staff

Destructive Touch: S
Wall of Elements: S
Force Shock: S
Weakness to Elements: /
Impulse: S


Restoratin Staff

Grand Healing: S
Regeneration: S
Blessing of Protection: S
Steadfast Ward: /
Force Siphon: /


Fighters Guild

Dawnbreaker: W
Silver Bolts: W
Circle of Protection: / (Morph Turn Undead: S)
Expert Hunter: S
Trap Beast: S


Mages Guild

Meteor: S
Magelight: /
Entropy: S
Fire Rune: S
Equilibrium: /


Undaunted

Blood Altar: /
Trapping Webs: S
Inner Fire: S
Bone Shield: /
Necrotic Orb: S


Alliance War

Assault

War Horn: /
Rapid Maneuver: /
Caltrops: W


Support

Barrier: /
Siege Shield: /
Purge: /


World

Soul Magic

Soul Strike: S
Soul Trap: S


Vampire

Bat Swarm: S
Drain Essence: S
Mist Form: /


Werewolf

Werewolf Transformation: /
Pounce: W
Hircine's Bounty: S
Roar: /
Piercing Howl: W
Infectious Claw: W (Morph Claws of Life: W, HoT: S)

Sord

@Qhival‌ thank you this is what some of us need (me in particular LOL) You can say those rules above but when I sit down to try and figure it out I get a little confused have relook at the rules and see and then there are those few exceptions. This is why I am trying to get this list together and I am hoping @Garkin‌ can make a simple addon based on this information. I am going to copy your info and put it in the OP because what you stated is what I have read before and we can go with it. Thanks.

Qhival

Sord wrote: »

I am going to copy your info and put it in the OP

Don't forget there are a few new werewolf skills and undaunted passives not on that list.

Garkin

I won't be able to work on this addon this month.
You can try to make request on ESOUI forums.

Sord

Garkin wrote: »

I won't be able to work on this addon this month.
You can try to make request on ESOUI forums.

Thanks Garkin I understand it is probably a lot of work but I will put in a request at ESOUI thank you.

ZOS_JoeBlackburn

Hey Guys,

Qhival's post is super informative, and hopefully we can help clear up a little more of the critical strike info for you. Currently critical strikes are based on the defense that an ability checks when it goes off.

So when you use an ability like Uppercut, it checks against the target's Armor when it does damage. This means it has a Critical Strike chance based off of your Weapon Critical stat.

If you are using an ability like Crystal Shards that checks against the target's Spell Resistance when it does damage, it will base its Critical Strike chance off of your Spell Critical stat.

For Update 6 we are making a huge effort to make sure that everything that costs Magicka scales in damage based off your Max Magicka and Spell Damage, and uses Spell Critical as its Critical Strike Chance. Similarly, all abilities that cost Stamina will scale in damage based off your Max Stamina and Weapon Damage, and use Weapon Critical as their Critical Strike Chance.

We know that currently it’s a little confusing to determine what stats modify your abilities when you put them on your bar, and we are working to make sure it will be very obvious in the future.

SoulScream

^ Awesome!

Sord

ZOS_JoeBlackburn wrote: »

For Update 6 we are making a huge effort to make sure that everything that costs Magicka scales in damage based off your Max Magicka and Spell Damage, and uses Spell Critical as its Critical Strike Chance. Similarly, all abilities that cost Stamina will scale in damage based off your Max Stamina and Weapon Damage, and use Weapon Critical as their Critical Strike Chance.

I LIKE THIS!!! This also means that class abilities are about to change as far as cost, if I read between the line right haha!!! I like it ALOT!!! (*) (*) (*) (*) (*) from me!

Qhival

I hope some class abilities will be changed to cost stamina and some weapon skills changed to magicka so that class and weapon skills will have some cohesiveness, otherwise people are going to lump all the weapon skills into stamina builds, and all the class skills into mana builds. spell crit shenanigans is really the only thing stopping this from happening right now. If it's fixed in the wrong way it will limit build diversity.

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO

Well I do hope they realize that NBs need their weapon crit on their class skills. NBs are build to be stealthers. Stealthers need medium armor. Medium armor give weapon crit.

If they make the NBs sneak attack use spell crit then it makes no sense that the stealth armor give weapon crit.

Sord

Qhival wrote: »

I hope some class abilities will be changed to cost stamina and some weapon skills changed to magicka so that class and weapon skills will have some cohesiveness, otherwise people are going to lump all the weapon skills into stamina builds, and all the class skills into mana builds. spell crit shenanigans is really the only thing stopping this from happening right now. If it's fixed in the wrong way it will limit build diversity.

Lets hope that after all the debate between armor, abilities, crit, magica, stamina and everything else mixed in here that with this new balance, I hope they got people looking super close at this for the rebalance. I personally would think that each class should have at least one power line (or the equivalent of) be stam based even if it is intermixed among all the ability lines. It would balance the amount of stam abilities vs the amount of magic abilities out a lot more and allow for more stam builds and people that wear something other than LA for max efficiency. Just my .02 cents.

Valymer

ZOS_JoeBlackburn wrote: »

For Update 6 we are making a huge effort to make sure that everything that costs Magicka scales in damage based off your Max Magicka and Spell Damage, and uses Spell Critical as its Critical Strike Chance. Similarly, all abilities that cost Stamina will scale in damage based off your Max Stamina and Weapon Damage, and use Weapon Critical as their Critical Strike Chance.

So does this mean that staff abilities like Crushing Shock which currently scale off weapon damage will scale off spell damage after Update 6?

Almariel

Restoration- and Healing-Staff Skills scaling off spelldamage would also mean, that the quality and level of the weapon you wield would no longer be important for the output of the corresponding skills.. sounds strange.

And a skill like surge will be much less useful than it is now for staff wielders, when it will not be changed to also add spell damage, making that very, perhaps too powerful for class-skills and so on.. mh.. complicated.

But, I am sure, more Information will come for this soon.

guybrushtb16_ESO

Valymer wrote: »

ZOS_JoeBlackburn wrote: »

For Update 6 we are making a huge effort to make sure that everything that costs Magicka scales in damage based off your Max Magicka and Spell Damage, and uses Spell Critical as its Critical Strike Chance. Similarly, all abilities that cost Stamina will scale in damage based off your Max Stamina and Weapon Damage, and use Weapon Critical as their Critical Strike Chance.

So does this mean that staff abilities like Crushing Shock which currently scale off weapon damage will scale off spell damage after Update 6?

That is what it sounds like. A lot of people will rage about it probably, as much of their gear will now be entirely useless, but it's probably better in the long run. If anything it really should have been like that from the start.

The next thing we need is the ability to change at least some class abilities to stamina skills.

Erock25

ZOS_JoeBlackburn wrote: »

For Update 6 we are making a huge effort to make sure that everything that costs Magicka scales in damage based off your Max Magicka and Spell Damage, and uses Spell Critical as its Critical Strike Chance. Similarly, all abilities that cost Stamina will scale in damage based off your Max Stamina and Weapon Damage, and use Weapon Critical as their Critical Strike Chance.

@ZOS_JoeBlackburn‌

I hope the team is fully considering all ramifications from swapping destruction staff and resto staff abilities to be scaled off of spell damage. The most glaring one is that Sorcerers, currently entrenched in 3rd place for end game PVE DPS and 2nd or 3rd depending on who you ask for healing, will be doing significantly less DPS and healing than they currently do.

Valymer

Erock25 wrote: »

ZOS_JoeBlackburn wrote: »

For Update 6 we are making a huge effort to make sure that everything that costs Magicka scales in damage based off your Max Magicka and Spell Damage, and uses Spell Critical as its Critical Strike Chance. Similarly, all abilities that cost Stamina will scale in damage based off your Max Stamina and Weapon Damage, and use Weapon Critical as their Critical Strike Chance.

@ZOS_JoeBlackburn‌

I hope the team is fully considering all ramifications from swapping destruction staff and resto staff abilities to be scaled off of spell damage. The most glaring one is that Sorcerers, currently entrenched in 3rd place for end game PVE DPS and 2nd or 3rd depending on who you ask for healing, will be doing significantly less DPS and healing than they currently do.

Yeah, if they just switch Critical Surge to boost spell damage instead of weapon damage it would help some, although we would be losing the bonus from Flawless Dawnbreaker as well. Gonna be interesting to see how they rebalance things so that we don't become completely useless.

guybrushtb16_ESO

Valymer wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

ZOS_JoeBlackburn wrote: »

For Update 6 we are making a huge effort to make sure that everything that costs Magicka scales in damage based off your Max Magicka and Spell Damage, and uses Spell Critical as its Critical Strike Chance. Similarly, all abilities that cost Stamina will scale in damage based off your Max Stamina and Weapon Damage, and use Weapon Critical as their Critical Strike Chance.

@ZOS_JoeBlackburn‌

I hope the team is fully considering all ramifications from swapping destruction staff and resto staff abilities to be scaled off of spell damage. The most glaring one is that Sorcerers, currently entrenched in 3rd place for end game PVE DPS and 2nd or 3rd depending on who you ask for healing, will be doing significantly less DPS and healing than they currently do.

Yeah, if they just switch Critical Surge to boost spell damage instead of weapon damage it would help some, although we would be losing the bonus from Flawless Dawnbreaker as well. Gonna be interesting to see how they rebalance things so that we don't become completely useless.

If anything, crit surge should be changed to either a choice of weapon or spell damage or just both of them. There are melee sorcs out there who'd hate to have what little they get from the class taken away.