Make PVE lvl 1-50 subscription free please.

TehMagnus

What wouldn't be available:
- No Group dungeons (Groto, banished cells).
- Grouping still possible for anchors & World Bosses.
- No Cyrodill (PVP).
- No Craglorn.
- No VR zones (people who want to experience them without subscription can still reroll).
- 3 characters max (1 per faction).

Reasons:
- The content is easily soloable.
- It's a ripoff to pay 60 euros plus a 14 euros monthly subscription to play "Skyrim/Oblivion" with player cooperation. Most games that give some kind of multiplayer content (Assasin's creed, Crysis, Battlefield, Watchdogs among a 1000 more) don't make you pay extra cash every month to play with other people.
- The Higher you go in solo PVE, the more empty the areas are except in grinding spots (following this logic, you could even make VR zones available since everybody is in Craglorn grinding anyways).
- People could actually take the time to enjoy the content instead of rushing to VR12.
- While PVP is broken, people can still play the game even without subscription and then pay.
- While PVP is broken, people don't feel they are just "milk cows" for Zenimax online.
- What if they are fans of ESO and don't give a damn about pvp?
- Did I mention paying 14 euros a month for a game that costs as much as any new game without playing PVP is a ripoff?

What about the updates? The money is for those!
- PVE before VR ranks doesn't recieve new content, it only gets bug fixes, and there are 1000x more bugs than in any ESO game released before, they should be giving us our money back.

KarlosTheGrouch

delete pls thanks

Cyanhide

For the love of god, please delete ths.

TehMagnus

KarlosTheGrouch wrote: »

delete pls thanks

How much does ZOS pay you?

Qyrk

I'm going to be blunt...if you can't afford it, don't play. The game is designed for specific subscription-based model for all its content. As much as there needs to be many improvements, both PvP and PvE, to the game, this is a pay to play game.

TehMagnus

Your will for censorship will not silence ideas, ideas are stronger than mod powers 8).

TehMagnus

Qyrk wrote: »

I'm going to be blunt...if you can't afford it, don't play. The game is designed for specific subscription-based model for all its content. As much as there needs to be many improvements, both PvP and PvE, to the game, this is a pay to play game.

Oh but I can afford it . Let me be blunt in return, if you think that paying 14 bucks a month for multiplayer content that is simply not working, is worth it, if you like being riped of, that's your problem. Obviously many people don't think like you seing how many subs have been droped in the last month.

I'm just puting a solution out there so players can enjoy the game and decide to pay a subscription to go PVP when they feel like it, or when it's actually working.

If you want to continue giving money for a service that's not provided, that's your problem.

TehMagnus

This is like paying a monthly subway subscription and having the subway go slower than if you where on foot with a broken AC. Only idiots would choose to walk but keep paying their subway subscription.

LordEcks

Your entitled to your opionion. Which is why the mods havn't deleted your thread.

Just remember that just because your entitled to it, doesn't make it good.

15$ is less than I spend on cigarettes per week... looked at it from a long-range perspective yes.. its a lot of money. Almost $200 a year (also a lot less than I spend on cigarettes).

If it bothers you don't pay it, but dont assume that everyone shares your opinion on the game sucking either. They too are entitled to their opinions.

"Skyrim/Oblivion" with player cooperation. Most games that give some kind of multiplayer content (Assasin's creed, Crysis, Battlefield, Watchdogs among a 1000 more) don't make you pay extra cash every month to play with other people.

This comment here shows you know very little (to nothing) of how subscription based MMOs work based on income vs content, and more comically still none of the examples you listed are even MMORPGs....

Please .. just let it go and quit shamelessly self-bumping your own thread. The others are simply too tired of this kind of ignorance to explain it to you.. hence the delete requests.

Aureli

magnusnet wrote: »

Qyrk wrote: »

I'm going to be blunt...if you can't afford it, don't play. The game is designed for specific subscription-based model for all its content. As much as there needs to be many improvements, both PvP and PvE, to the game, this is a pay to play game.

Oh but I can afford it . Let me be blunt in return, if you think that paying 14 bucks a month for multiplayer content that is simply not working, is worth it, if you like being riped of, that's your problem. Obviously many people don't think like you seeing how many subs have been dropped in the last month.

I'm just puting a solution out there so players can enjoy the game and decide to pay a subscription to go PVP when they feel like it, or when it's actually working.

If you want to continue giving money for a service that's not provided, that's your problem.

Your point is null. Here's why: any subscription based mmo will have dropped subs the first few months, but the game population still grows because of new players. Those first dropped subscriptions are from people who decided they didn't want to play the game anymore, because it wasn't for them, they didn't like it, couldn't afford it, ect.

People didn't say "delete this please" to censor you, but because this general topic, going free to play, is old. It was old when the game was released, and it's not getting any younger. And it's not just this topic, it's all the topics that come up several times a day on this forum with answers that people just aren't getting in their heads. We are tired of it, hence people saying "delete please".

ESO will not become a Free-to-Play game anytime in the foreseeable future, not even partially FTP. This has been stated on these forums, on IGN, GameInformer, in blog posts, interviews, and has been plastered all over the internet if you look.

EDIT: Your suggestion would kill the Vet zones, Cyrodiil, all group content (the group dungeons, vet dungeons). It would become so hard to find a group for dungeons that people bother paying for it.

TehMagnus

Aureli wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Qyrk wrote: »

I'm going to be blunt...if you can't afford it, don't play. The game is designed for specific subscription-based model for all its content. As much as there needs to be many improvements, both PvP and PvE, to the game, this is a pay to play game.

Oh but I can afford it . Let me be blunt in return, if you think that paying 14 bucks a month for multiplayer content that is simply not working, is worth it, if you like being riped of, that's your problem. Obviously many people don't think like you seeing how many subs have been dropped in the last month.

I'm just puting a solution out there so players can enjoy the game and decide to pay a subscription to go PVP when they feel like it, or when it's actually working.

If you want to continue giving money for a service that's not provided, that's your problem.

Your point is null. Here's why: any subscription based mmo will have dropped subs the first few months, but the game population still grows because of new players. Those first dropped subscriptions are from people who decided they didn't want to play the game anymore, because it wasn't for them, they didn't like it, couldn't afford it, ect.

Many hardcore guilds (entire guilds not 5 or 6 players) have left the game and don't plan to return. Many people from semi hardcore guilds have left the game and don't plan to return. If today's patch doesn't fix FPS issues, it will only get worse.

Aureli wrote: »

People didn't say "delete this please" to censor you, but because this general topic, going free to play, is old. It was old when the game was released, and it's not getting any younger. And it's not just this topic, it's all the topics that come up several times a day on this forum with answers that people just aren't getting in their heads. We are tired of it, hence people saying "delete please".

Well it won't be old when ZOS admits failure and actually goes FTP. We prolly aint living in the same universe since you're the first person I hear who actually believes this game won't go FTP. Look at all the other MMOS that have come ou lately, 90% have had to go FTP after some time. I hope this game doesn't go FTP but it's unlikely that it won't.

Aureli wrote: »

ESO will not become a Free-to-Play game anytime in the foreseeable future, not even partially FTP. This has been stated on these forums, on IGN, GameInformer, in blog posts, interviews, and has been plastered all over the internet if you look.

Once again, look in all those places, people say the game will have to go FTP, it's not a matter of wanting, it's a matter of: People just don't stand the ridiculous priorities from ZOS and instead of making the game better, they break it each time a litle more.

I'm VR12, I rushed to PVP. I don't see the point of keeping a subscription for multiplayer content that is just not working. Still I paid big money for this game and I wouldn't mind enjoying PVE while I wait for PVP to be fixed, still, I'm not paying 14 euros a month to play PVE. Making PVE Free to play with limitations would keep people interested and playing and would make them less angry, less b1tchy and they wouldn't leave the game for good.

The_Sadist

No thanks.

TehMagnus

Aureli wrote: »

EDIT: Your suggestion would kill the Vet zones, Cyrodiil, all group content (the group dungeons, vet dungeons). It would become so hard to find a group for dungeons that people bother paying for it.

Are we playing the same game? My suggestion wouldn't kill Vet zones since Vet zones are allready dead after VR 4, at least in EU server. Why do you think ZOS made Craglorn hard and now just patched VR zones to make them easier? Nobody goes there anymore, people are just grinding in Craglorn. I was arround VR6 when Craglorn went out, it was next to impossible to find a group to do a dungeon or anything else in high VR zones because it's simply not worth going there. I've been back to those zones to collect my skyshards, they are totally empty.

If PVP was working, people would keep paying subs and Zenimax would actually have an incentive to fix the game and be more carefull when rolling out updates that could break the game.

david271749

diamondeyethunderbow_ESO

The only ripoff going on here is the attempt to get ZOS to give people free gameplay.

Amazingly WoW, despite being almost 10 years old and EVE older than that, neither of those games has gone free-to-play. People keep saying that FTP is where games go when they "fail" but then turn around and claim it's where "every game is going."

Evidently, then, every game but WoW and EVE is failing?

No. People want someone else to foot the bill for their gaming. FTP is about hoping other people will pay vastly MORE than the subscription so you can pay LESS. That's why those of us that have good jobs and can easily afford $15 a month don't want FTP - we don't want to support your desire for free gaming. Video games are not a social service; you're not entitled to free play at the expense of everyone else.

TehMagnus

1) I can pay 15$ a month without issue (allready said this, you might want to read what people say before posting). What I don't want, is to play in a empty game where people left for other games because it was filled with bugs at the begining.

2) Ok you gave two examples, WOW and EVE, what about SWTOR? Lineage II? AIon? Rift? Defiance? Wakfu? All the rest? ahh yes... they all went F2P.

3) Your last point "I, the capitalist rich won't pay for the poor" " You're not entitled to free play at the expense of everyone else" is MAJOR BS. GW is and has allways been F2P and it works very well, the content is updated regularly and new content is being created so your argument is invalid since it is possible to have a FTP or partially FTP game and still have a viable economic system.

Moreover, the PVE content that I think should be free to play isn't that much bigger than other non MMO games and the cost of buying the game is largely worth the PVE content since no modifications are being added to it (except bugs but we don't pay subscription to get bug fixes).

Maajor BS in your coment

cracker81

Hey, zos have a guy trying to purchase/sub for game but transaction not going. Guy is going ape $&@! At work. Plz, help him told him to email your support. (Sorry off topic) no f2p please thank you.

Rivqua

magnusnet wrote: »

What wouldn't be available:
- No Group dungeons (Groto, banished cells).
- Grouping still possible for anchors & World Bosses.
- No Cyrodill (PVP).
- No Craglorn.
- No VR zones (people who want to experience them without subscription can still reroll).
- 3 characters max (1 per faction).

Reasons:
- The content is easily soloable.
- It's a ripoff to pay 60 euros plus a 14 euros monthly subscription to play "Skyrim/Oblivion" with player cooperation. Most games that give some kind of multiplayer content (Assasin's creed, Crysis, Battlefield, Watchdogs among a 1000 more) don't make you pay extra cash every month to play with other people.
- The Higher you go in solo PVE, the more empty the areas are except in grinding spots (following this logic, you could even make VR zones available since everybody is in Craglorn grinding anyways).
- People could actually take the time to enjoy the content instead of rushing to VR12.
- While PVP is broken, people can still play the game even without subscription and then pay.
- While PVP is broken, people don't feel they are just "milk cows" for Zenimax online.
- What if they are fans of ESO and don't give a damn about pvp?
- Did I mention paying 14 euros a month for a game that costs as much as any new game without playing PVP is a ripoff?

What about the updates? The money is for those!
- PVE before VR ranks doesn't recieve new content, it only gets bug fixes, and there are 1000x more bugs than in any ESO game released before, they should be giving us our money back.

Let me start of with this. H** No..

If it ever going F2p this is how my list would look like.

1. No entry to any dungons
2. No grouping what so ever, boss or no boss
3. No chat
4. No guilds options
5. No bank space
6. No mounts
7. No bag space
8. No Cyrodiil
9. No Craglorn
10. No weapons
11. No Armor
12. No gold
13. Only walk, no sprint
14. Can only make 0 toon

If for some odd reason someone would accept those terms, i would say. Yea give that person f2p.
If not... Go play something else.

Qyrk

magnusnet wrote: »

Qyrk wrote: »

I'm going to be blunt...if you can't afford it, don't play. The game is designed for specific subscription-based model for all its content. As much as there needs to be many improvements, both PvP and PvE, to the game, this is a pay to play game.

Oh but I can afford it . Let me be blunt in return, if you think that paying 14 bucks a month for multiplayer content that is simply not working, is worth it, if you like being riped of, that's your problem. Obviously many people don't think like you seing how many subs have been droped in the last month.

You are hugely assuming that this game is not working for me. Better yet, you are assuming that this game is not working for everyone. Fortunately for me (even as a macbook pro user), the game is fine as it is. Went through the vet zones the hard way and enjoyed it, have all crafting to max albeit enchanting getting there in the end; got most achievements; normal fps; playing pvp as normal (aside from hacks and exploits that is prevalent in mmorpg which needs attention). There are bugs I did come across, so I'm heavily involve in in-game feedback/bug reports. Despite that, I feel that this game is worth the $15 a month I'm paying.

Looking at the bigger picture, there are many people like me who justifies $15 a month for this entertainment and will not support what you suggested. If I want subscription free (yes I'm aware you did say until lvl 50 and with other terms and conditions), I'd play those other f2p games - not here.

Bottom line, if you think your $15 a month for this game is not worth it because you feel being ripped off, no one is stopping you from leaving. There are others like me who will continue to play the game, and will help the game improve by giving the devs feedback and bug reports, exploit/hack reports when we do come across it.

There are many negative threads/complaints/constructive feedback that requires immediate attention from the dev's. It is much easier to be vocal about something bad/wrong in this game. So few people who is not affected/enjoying/have minimal problems barely posts in these forums, so you don't hear the upside of this game as much. But I'm also seeing that the dev's are trying to fix things (you might see differently). I see this game as half full, you see it as half empty. Fortunately I consider my $15 a month worth it, you don't.

Qyrk

double post

TehMagnus

Your 15$ are worth it because you're getting your money out of it. The majority of players aren't so to quote someone above: I'm not paying my sub so YOU can enjoy a game that I can't.

In any case, TESO will end up going Free to Play for all the content, then good players will leave, kids and trolls will come, game will be ruined.

GG WP.

Qyrk

Given the criteria you made on your OP suggestion soapbox, I should be a paying customer because I am a veteran player.


Based on your argument alone, I should be the one paying just so others like you can play the first 50 levels.
Nope.

I'm not paying my sub so YOU can enjoy a game that I can't.

Then unsubscribe, no one is holding you back.

TehMagnus

This is the thing you don't understand, when u pay for sub, you don't pay for the people playing PVE, PVE costs are covered by the price of the game and ZOS has gotten their money back a long time ago for that.

Subs serve to pay for multiplayer content and for devs to roll out new content. PVP. Actually, subs also serve to pay for console development . So be happy, you're paying so console players can get their game.

You where paying to play alone in PVP while more than half of the players could not play.

Ignorance is a bliss I supose.

Archaole

Paying $15/month just for pvp and vet content would be just asinine. And not all of the current top f2p games started that way, and they get content slower because of the lack of income. Paying for subs means ZoS has to keep giving us fresh content.

TehMagnus

Archaole wrote: »

Paying $15/month just for pvp and vet content would be just asinine. And not all of the current top f2p games started that way, and they get content slower because of the lack of income. Paying for subs means ZoS has to keep giving us fresh content.

GW2 keeps patching and giving fresh content. Maybe they are non profit.

Ah no they aren't.

simontheriault1b16_ESO

How about no?
the basis of your ideas is based on apocalyptical predictions on how the game is going down. What if it isn't?

anyway:
http://gamingbolt.com/the-elder-scrolls-online-interview-business-model-is-what-the-business-model-is

TehMagnus

Well it's just an idea to keep the players playing and force them to put out quaity content to make them pay for subs. But you're right, who in their right mind would want game makers to do something good and smart for a change.

As for "We don't plan to go free to play"<= None of the games that went free to play wanted to, and yet, they had to.

simontheriault1b16_ESO

Your ideas has been given, the devs who got the real portrait on how the game is going knows if they need it or not.