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1k armor vs 2k armor
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Valn✭✭✭✭✭Tested it against a V9 Timber Mammoth
Full stats (bad i know)
Damage
Reduced stats
Damage
(first 2 hits were heavy attacks)
1310 armor absorbs 9 damage or about 4% with this test.
EDIT: NAKED TEST
300 armor from nord racial
Edited by Valn on June 18, 2014 12:29AM22 -
crislevin✭✭✭✭✭
✭Thanks
If this is correct in most cases, that 1k armour just doesn't seem to do much.
btw, whats that 407 vs 538?0 -
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If I had to guess, critical strikes. You're seeing a bigger difference there, but hard to tell if that's due to the extra armor, or due to a trait or something.Thanks
If this is correct in most cases, that 1k armour just doesn't seem to do much.
btw, whats that 407 vs 538?
Edit: well I guess they where heavy attacks. It's still a much bigger difference, but still doesn't seem worth the additional armor if that difference is light versus heavy armor.
Edited by driosketch on June 18, 2014 12:11AMMain: Drio Azul ~ DC, Redguard, Healer/Magicka Templar ~ NA-PC
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Worstluck✭✭✭✭✭I had assumed that 100 armor provides 1% mitigation against physical attacks (so 1000 armor would be 10%) That kind of sucks if it's really that low...Worstluck - Breton Nightblade "Some of us refused to bow. We knew the old ways would lead us back to having a kingdom of our own."
―Madanach
Elfluck - Dunmer Dragonknight "When I will walk the earth again, the Faithful among you shall receive your reward: to be set above all other mortals forever. As for the rest: the weak shall be winnowed: the timid shall be cast down: the mighty shall tremble at my feet and pray for pardon."
―Mehrunes Dagon
Deadluck -Imperial Templar "Men are but flesh and blood. They know their doom, but not the hour"
―Uriel Septim
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Valn✭✭✭✭✭driosketch wrote: »
All of my armor has inpenetrable trait, so i lost a good amount of critical resistance after taking it off, which is probably why i got hit 538. But as you can see the armor has almost no affect on the light attack damage.Edited by Valn on June 18, 2014 12:10AM2 -
Valn✭✭✭✭✭Amsel_McKay wrote: »Can you do a naked test and block? I bet it will be better then heavy armor.
Naked Test
Being a Nord I have 300 armor from my racial passives.
Damage
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Heavy armour is pointless you can remove all your armour leaving weapon and accessories and carry on playing as if you was geared.
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✭i felt bad now for sorcs wearing bound armours, seems damage shield is much more effective.1 -
Valn✭✭✭✭✭Tested it on a bunch of V11 mobs. First picture is with full gear, 2nd is naked.
Seems like the armor only applies when the mob is near your level. My first test was on a V9 mob, these were on V11.
They hit 111 less melee damage when I add 1927 armor on this test. Keep in mind this is only from melee, I don't know if spell reduction works either.Edited by Valn on July 5, 2014 5:13PM4 -
crislevin✭✭✭✭✭
✭well, even on V11 mobs, 2k armour only reduce damage by ~100, so its 50/1k.
so a 500pt damage shield worth 10k armour....1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Well, this is appalling."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle7 -
hamon✭✭✭✭✭
✭its been obvious armour mitigation is utter fail in this game for ages, hence why light armour mages in this game have no problem standing in large groups of mobs spamming impulse... light armour should be for ranged fighting as in melee range you get mashed fast..
every other game armour makes sense but in ESO .. its just fecked .Edited by hamon on June 18, 2014 12:55AM12 -
subecsanur✭✭✭Amsel_McKay wrote: »Can you do a naked test and block? I bet it will be better then heavy armor.
Naked Test
Being a Nord I have 300 armor from my racial passives.
Damage
There you go.
Shows how much of a waste into investing into armor, heavy armor or even any armor buffs.
Can we show any comparison for melee vs spell damage?1 -
Worstluck✭✭✭✭✭Yeah that's really disheartening. When you wear heavy armor, you are sacrificing quite a bit of damage/regen/etc and if it doesn't provide adequate mitigation, there is no point in using it...Edited by Worstluck on June 18, 2014 12:55AMWorstluck - Breton Nightblade "Some of us refused to bow. We knew the old ways would lead us back to having a kingdom of our own."
―Madanach
Elfluck - Dunmer Dragonknight "When I will walk the earth again, the Faithful among you shall receive your reward: to be set above all other mortals forever. As for the rest: the weak shall be winnowed: the timid shall be cast down: the mighty shall tremble at my feet and pray for pardon."
―Mehrunes Dagon
Deadluck -Imperial Templar "Men are but flesh and blood. They know their doom, but not the hour"
―Uriel Septim
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✭more pathetically, no Tamriel heroes can do light attack with that kind of damage.
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hamon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah that's really disheartening. When you wear heavy armor, you are sacrificing quite a bit of damage/regen/etc and if it doesn't provide adequate mitigation, there is no point in using it...
yep its one of the critical faulures of ESO. its why everyone is wearing light.. why you dont need proper tanks for groups stuff.
its a core mechanic thats just so broken its not even funny.
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crislevin✭✭✭✭✭
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i was apparently wasting all my money in crafting things every time I levels.lolsubecsanur wrote: »Amsel_McKay wrote: »Can you do a naked test and block? I bet it will be better then heavy armor.
Naked Test
Being a Nord I have 300 armor from my racial passives.
Damage
There you go.
Shows how much of a waste into investing into armor, heavy armor or even any armor buffs.
Can we show any comparison for melee vs spell damage?
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Valn✭✭✭✭✭
I dont actually know if its broken or not. Maybe the level difference means it can only hit a certain amount on me, however my armor level made almost no affect on the damage it hit at V9.
The V9 was hitting me for 224 when I had full gear on
The V11 was hitting me for 235 when I had full gear on
When I took my armor off
V9 was hitting me for 236
V11 was hitting me for 346.
If the V11 were hitting me for 47% less when I had armor on, how come the V9 was only hitting me 4% less with armor on? Again, is this due to level difference?
And we also have to consider if the V9 was scaled to V11, would it hit higher? What are the mobs armor penetration? Do they have any? It's all very confusing, and I would love some dev explaination.
Think of it this way
When I took of my armor I lost health, lets assume my health is the same for both
2227 armor
I had 2254 health. They have to hit me 9.5 times to kill me hitting 235
300 armor
2254 health. They have to hit me 6.5 times to kill me hitting 346
With an additional 1927 armor, i'm reducing their light attacks against me by 47%. But still, Craglorn is impossible to solo with a stamina build
Edited by Valn on June 18, 2014 1:23AM6 -
Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭Its confusing but if there is anything broken to me its the damage the VR9 mobs are doing, not the armor's damage reduction that is working fine against the VR11 mob.Edited by Gisgo on June 18, 2014 1:18AM3
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I dont actually know if its broken or not. Maybe the level difference means it can only hit a certain amount on me, however my armor level made almost no affect on the damage it hit at V9.
The V9 was hitting me for 224 when I had full gear on
The V11 was hitting me for 235 when I had full gear on
When I took my armor off
V9 was hitting me for 236
V11 was hitting me for 346.
If the V11 were hitting me for 47% less when I had armor on, how come the V9 was only hitting me 4% less with armor on? Again, is this due to level difference?
And we also have to consider if the V9 was scaled to V11, would it hit higher? What are the mobs armor penetration? Do they have any? It's all very confusing, and I would love some dev explaination.
just a thought but the v11's would be craglorn? those mobs seem to work correctly in general while the mobs are borked in vet 5-10 zones. remember they accidently buffed them in patch 1.1.2 and supposedly hotfixed it back but it made no diffrence.. they probably buffed them to 90% armour pen or soemthing ***
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Amsel_McKay✭✭✭✭✭A tank templar build with S&B I think light armor is better because you do DPS hold agro and have more magic resist then heavy (majority of attacks).1
