Gap closer needs nerf now gap extender is nerfed

crislevin

It should be balance, right? Bolt escape has a travel distance of 15 meters.

DK's chain reaches 22 meters and cost the same as bolt escape, a sorc need two BE to get out of range fast, and two BE in a roll now cost (base)1000 magicka and 700 with ALL the cost reductions.

NB's teleport strike also reaches 22 meters, cost about the same as bolt escape, a sorc need two BE to get out the range, and two BE in a roll now cost (base) 1000 magicka and 700 with ALL the cost reductions.

Edit, as suggested:

Templar's Focused Charge and it's morphs also reaches 22 meters, cost even less than bolt escape, a sorc need two BE to get out the range, and two BE in a roll now cost (base) 1000 magicka and 700 with ALL the cost reductions.

Silver Leash (morph of Silver Bolt of Fighters Guild) reaches 28 meters!, doesn't even cost magicka, a sorc definitely need two BE to get out the range, and two BE in a roll now cost (base) 1000 magicka and 700 with ALL the cost reductions.

Either these need out right higher cost (to 1000 base magicka or stamina, just as two BE in a roll would cost a sorc), or their ranges need to be shortened to 10 meters.

FunkyBudda

Agree 100%.

Bangstin

SilverWF

Do not forget about:
Focused Charge and it's morphs (Templars skill) must cost 1000 magicka

Silver Leash (morph of Silver Bolt of Fighters Guild) must cost 1000 stamina

Ragekniv

No, I'm fine with you being in range!

Warm and fuzzy with thoughts of all the AP soon to be reaped from your rotting corpse.

SilverWF

Critical Charge (two-handed line) and it's morphs must cost 1000 stamina

Invasion (one-handed and shield line) and it's morphs must cost 1000 stamina

Ajaxtu

Signed

Vis

Seems only fair ZOS. If we can't spam gap opener then why should we be forced to fight those who can spam gap closers.

Why not give them the same nerf ... +70% and no magicka and/or stamina regen for 4 seconds?

FunkyBudda

Vis wrote: »

Seems only fair ZOS. If we can't spam gap opener then why should we be forced to fight those who can spam gap closers.

Why not give them the same nerf ... +70% and no magicka and/or stamina regen for 4 seconds?

sounds good to me

"Balance" FTW.

canghai

in a world that is fair this would be all true



however


this is a mmo, (majority) people dont care about fair they just want the best for themselves and the worst for others

i am very curious as to what the people who wanted BE to be nerfed has to say about this

not their fault tho because there isnt much argument against OP

Victor.Galis_ESO

I still want BE nerfed. That sorc that was spamming it 10 times in a row is now going to just do it 7 times instead... oh noes!! How is he ever going to survive a mere 7 BE ranges away?!

FlatLine84

crislevin wrote: »

It should be balance, right? Bolt escape has a travel distance of 15 meters.

DK's chain reaches 22 meters and cost the same as bolt escape, a sorc need two BE to get out of range fast, and two BE in a roll now cost (base)1000 magicka and 700 with ALL the cost reductions.

NB's teleport strike also reaches 22 meters, cost about the same as bolt escape, a sorc need two BE to get out the range, and two BE in a roll now cost (base) 1000 magicka and 700 with ALL the cost reductions.

Edit, as suggested:

Templar's Focused Charge and it's morphs also reaches 22 meters, cost even less than bolt escape, a sorc need two BE to get out the range, and two BE in a roll now cost (base) 1000 magicka and 700 with ALL the cost reductions.

Silver Leash (morph of Silver Bolt of Fighters Guild) reaches 28 meters!, doesn't even cost magicka, a sorc definitely need two BE to get out the range, and two BE in a roll now cost (base) 1000 magicka and 700 with ALL the cost reductions.

Either these need out right higher cost (to 1000 base magicka or stamina, just as two BE in a roll would cost a sorc), or their ranges need to be shortened to 10 meters.

Ok calm down here's a napkin wipe those tears. Here we go.


When bolt escape was op no one cared about Gap closers. So what's the problem now? You want a Nerf so you can keep "sure escaping" Lol did you guys forget about the stun bolt escape has? Gives you plenty of time to get away..

Bottom line is this, now you won't escape me 100 percent of the time and I will be emote ::shovel:: all day on you cupcake.

crislevin

Victor.Galis_ESO wrote: »

I still want BE nerfed. That sorc that was spamming it 10 times in a row is now going to just do it 7 times instead... oh noes!! How is he ever going to survive a mere 7 BE ranges away?!

Why can you spam gap closer 7 times for half the cost? Of course you want BE nerfed, everybody want other class nerfed, but there will only be one fairness.

ThreeEyedCrow

Since Crystal Shards has a range of 28 , not sure why you are even in gap closer range to begin with.

Liquid_Time

I am glad someone took the effort to make a decent thread regarding this for once... This here is a rare site ladies and gentlemen. Rare site.

Anyways, this is odd and depending on much of an impact this has in PvP we may see further "adjustments" to BE.

My only question is... That this was always the distance. Did you as a sorc often have trouble with gap closers until they ran out of magicka/stamina? I do not think I have witnessed a "tug-o-war" before is why I am asking. I understand you feel it is only fair to make the distance or cost the same, but I am not so sure that is truly needed. Just my opinion.

davidhorstub17_ESO

block! gratz you cant be leashed/chained and cant be stunned by any gap closer. you know what cant be blocked though? the streak cc, so youre right we should prob nerf streak some more since it has no counterplay. be careful what you wish for when you have no clue what youre talking about.

crislevin

ThreeEyedCrow wrote: »

Since Crystal Shards has a range of 28 , not sure why you are even in gap closer range to begin with.

well, Im sure you play pvp, then you should know everybody sneaks on everybody else. Its not if I want to be in the gap closer's range.

infraction2008b16_ESO

Vis wrote: »

Seems only fair ZOS. If we can't spam gap opener then why should we be forced to fight those who can spam gap closers.

Because with a gap closer you can't outpace horses or escape from inevitable zerg of doom like you could with BE, the gap closers have only one advantage - to get into melee range quicker. They don't make you untouchable or give you the ability to get out of another players attack range at will.

The only reason the OP made this thread is because he's sad his "no skill" button got the nerf bat, not that he actually cares about this thing called balance...

Gern_Verkheart

For the love of God stop asking for Nerfs!

We need more buffs, not Nerfs!

crislevin

infraction2008b16_ESO wrote: »

Because with a gap closer you can't outpace horses or escape from inevitable zerg of doom like you could with BE, the gap closers have only one advantage - to get into melee range quicker. They don't make you untouchable or give you the ability to get out of another players attack range at will.

The only reason the OP made this thread is because he's sad his "no skill" button got the nerf bat, not that he actually cares about this thing called balance...

davidhorstub17_ESO wrote: »

block! gratz you cant be leashed/chained and cant be stunned by any gap closer. you know what cant be blocked though? the streak cc, so youre right we should prob nerf streak some more since it has no counterplay. be careful what you wish for when you have no clue what youre talking about.

You do realize teleport strike stuns right?

and DK has a cheap Obsidian Shard which stuns for 3 sec no questions asked, at a range of 15m, right?

you all do know your own class, do you?

stungateb14_ESO

Could of sworn that your target gets dropped once sorc cast BE/Streak am I wrong?

crislevin

stungateb14_ESO wrote: »

Could of sworn that your target gets dropped once sorc cast BE/Streak am I wrong?

lets see, if a sorc cast one BE, even if target is dropped (I dont know that), he/she is still, very much, within your range.

if a sorc cast two BE, assume target dropped, he/she is out of your range anyway.

question is, if you can close a gap of 22 m, whats sorc' counter to stretch the gap to 22 m? anwser, 1000 magicka BEs.

plamillusionub17_ESO

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't gap closers require a target, and BE does not?
Perhaps they could revert the changes and make BE function similar to how storm atronach does (ground target reticle), giving it a skill element and not just a spammable "get out of jail free" card. /shrug

hamon

Vis wrote: »

Seems only fair ZOS. If we can't spam gap opener then why should we be forced to fight those who can spam gap closers.

Why not give them the same nerf ... +70% and no magicka and/or stamina regen for 4 seconds?

ok i,m up for them making our second gap closer within 4 seconds cost 1000 magika.... except we only need to close the gap once not spam it to flee from battle

davidhorstub17_ESO

crislevin wrote: »

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infraction2008b16_ESO wrote: »

Because with a gap closer you can't outpace horses or escape from inevitable zerg of doom like you could with BE, the gap closers have only one advantage - to get into melee range quicker. They don't make you untouchable or give you the ability to get out of another players attack range at will.

The only reason the OP made this thread is because he's sad his "no skill" button got the nerf bat, not that he actually cares about this thing called balance...

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davidhorstub17_ESO wrote: »

block! gratz you cant be leashed/chained and cant be stunned by any gap closer. you know what cant be blocked though? the streak cc, so youre right we should prob nerf streak some more since it has no counterplay. be careful what you wish for when you have no clue what youre talking about.

You do realize teleport strike stuns right?

and DK has a cheap Obsidian Shard which stuns for 3 sec no questions asked, at a range of 15m, right?

you all do know your own class, do you?

block.

pretty sure i started my last post with that. try it sometime it prevents cc, you can even do it while casting spells (nowai!), its how every other class plays the game that cant lolrun from every fight.

infraction2008b16_ESO

crislevin wrote: »

question is, if you can close a gap of 22 m, whats sorc' counter to stretch the gap to 22 m? anwser, 1000 magicka BEs.

No you counter it by actually you know... fighting??

crislevin

plamillusionub17_ESO wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't gap closers require a target, and BE does not?
Perhaps they could revert the changes and make BE function similar to how storm atronach does (ground target reticle), giving it a skill element and not just a spammable "get out of jail free" card. /shrug

it still needs a general direction, you sure don't want to BE into an enemy's open arm.

ground target would be another big nerf, no gap closer requires you precisely aim and click the enemy.

crislevin

infraction2008b16_ESO wrote: »

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crislevin wrote: »

question is, if you can close a gap of 22 m, whats sorc' counter to stretch the gap to 22 m? anwser, 1000 magicka BEs.

No you counter it by actually you know... fighting??

bull crap, manipulating distance isn't part of fighting? where did you goto military school? east point?

hamon wrote: »

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Vis wrote: »

Seems only fair ZOS. If we can't spam gap opener then why should we be forced to fight those who can spam gap closers.

Why not give them the same nerf ... +70% and no magicka and/or stamina regen for 4 seconds?

ok i,m up for them making our second gap closer within 4 seconds cost 1000 magika.... except we only need to close the gap once not spam it to flee from battle

then it wouldn't affect you! so you don't oppose to change, right?

Nox_Aeterna

Well , do remember then , if they make these change to the gap closer they must NOT require a target anymore also , just like BE.

crislevin

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Well , do remember then , if they make these change to the gap closer they must NOT require a target anymore also , just like BE.

thats fine, I have no objection to that. kudos for agreement.

canghai

Victor.Galis_ESO wrote: »

I still want BE nerfed. That sorc that was spamming it 10 times in a row is now going to just do it 7 times instead... oh noes!! How is he ever going to survive a mere 7 BE ranges away?!

7 times? so sorc have 100% mana? all the time? if we r using BE its because we r in trouble, most likely we have already depleted mana, so its more like 3 BE at most